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Re: Ideologically mixed feeders/semi feeders  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 25, at 5:09:33 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm the OP and this is helpful. But I'll ask a follow up with a different hypo: Let's say I'm liberal and wouldn't clerk for the conservative wing including the Chief and I'm thinking about applying to Livingston. Is the fact that she has sent two to Roberts and two to Alito even relevant? Or, perhaps to generalize the point, is it better to look at this kind of thing on a justice by justice leve...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: muskman   on: May 25, at 4:55:56 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Op, the problem is that for better or worse, prospective employers care quite a bit where you went to school. Do they? You really believe that a middle of the pack Harvard graduate fresh out of school has better job prospects, let's just say in whistleblower law, over an attorney who went to some unranked school but has won multiple cases, some with awards in excess of $150 million? And you're co...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 4:53:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anon KE bk associate again. Not sure why people above are anon, but w/e. Really don't get attacking people saying they are busy, but hope you are well. I think ppl are rustled because, at least IMO, it is very unlikely that ppl are doing 400 hour months legitimately -- I'm saying this as a KE corp associate who has done way too many 300+ months. I may work from 8 to midnight one day, but I am pro...
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Re: NY firms - investment funds/PE hiring activity at Kirkland, Ropes  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 4:39:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’m a BigLaw funds associate and we are busier than ever. Lots of clients forming new funds or pushing up timelines on existing launches. That being said, I think firms are still being conservative right now in hiring even if they are on solid financial footing. I thought it was interesting that the ATL tracker listing those firms that have said they won’t do layoffs includes mostly firms known fo...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: Uncreative123   on: May 25, at 4:37:07 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Op, the problem is that for better or worse, prospective employers care quite a bit where you went to school. Do they? You really believe that a middle of the pack Harvard graduate fresh out of school has better job prospects, let's just say in whistleblower law, over an attorney who went to some unranked school but has won multiple cases, some with awards in excess of $150 million? And you're co...
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Re: Am I aiming too high?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 25, at 4:35:18 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm trying to fill out the rest of my list with judges in the midwest/south since I'd prefer not to be on the West Coast, but I'm a little confused about what counts as a flyover district — for example, how popular should I think of cities like Madison or St. Louis? I also wonder if there's a risk in just randomly picking judges across the country based on where I don't think other people want to...
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Re: Study Prep Sources and Plans!  
  by: Vishkvishnuai   on: May 25, at 4:29:02 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi fella, hope you're doing well. The resources I've used are the three Powerscore books and I plan on taking Blueprint's LSAT course within the next 2 weeks. Of the Powerscore books, I only found the LG and LR books helpful. To me, they cover the very fundamentals of those sections respectively and are my go to when reviewing (which you should definitely do if you have weak areas) - the LG one h...
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Re: Los Angeles Law Firms - Car home policy? Also, where do people usually live?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 25, at 4:21:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
Curious what the car situation is like for other non NYC big cities like Chicago, SF, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta Basically nobody under 35 owns a car in SF. Uber/Lyft more convenient and, frankly, probably cheaper once you factor in cost of parking, insurance, gas, depreciation, etc. Some firms have offices in Palo Alto though, which is suburban, and there would be a bit tougher to do everythin...
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Re: Am I aiming too high?  
  by: nixy   on: May 25, at 4:15:22 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Re: picking judges at random - everyone does this (who isn't dialed into specific judges already based on connections or so stellar they have nothing to worry about). If you get an interview, you research the location and come up with a reason to want to be there. If you have no apparent connection to a given region, you are less likely to get an interview with judges who actually care about those...
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Re: UT, TX, and CO State Supreme Court Clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 4:05:28 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Utah Supreme Court justices are all pretty well-regarded. I think their clerks' workload is relatively low (sub-40 hours a week). A couple have strong connections to 10th/9th circuit judges and Justice Lee regularly sends his clerks to feeders. I believe most of them start hiring around March/April of 2L year. I know Justice Lee has sent some to at least Pryor and Sykes (for anybody wanting more ...
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Re: UT, TX, and CO State Supreme Court Clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 4:00:22 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Utah Supreme Court justices are all pretty well-regarded. I think their clerks' workload is relatively low (sub-40 hours a week). A couple have strong connections to 10th/9th circuit judges and Justice Lee regularly sends his clerks to feeders. I believe most of them start hiring around March/April of 2L year.
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Re: Ideologically mixed feeders/semi feeders  
  by: beepboopbeep   on: May 25, at 3:59:18 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
There's a poster on the Other Forum That Shall Not Be Named that used to do justice-by-justice rankings here, and I would link it to you if I could without getting my post nuked (but I can't, so you'll just have to do some searching -- the post is called "Feeder Judge Rankings"). In general, that data tends to show that judges feed to one side or the other almost exclusively -- there are some rare...
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Re: Which markets offer bonuses?  
  by: namefromplace   on: May 25, at 3:55:06 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I would look at the websites for mid-law firms in the areas you're wanting to work and see if they say anything about clerkship bonuses. I think in general it's unlikely, though.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=305940

Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 3:45:50 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Real died last year, so no need to avoid. Re: new CA9 judges: I've also heard positive things about Miller and Bennett in terms of pleasantness to work/interact with, and similarly heard Collins is a hard avoid. Bade also struck me as a delightful person. Didn't get great vibes from R. Nelson. R. Nelson is very ideological as a person, not quite sure as a judge. I am pretty sure he requires FedSo...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=202778

Re: Ideologically mixed feeders/semi feeders  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 3:39:09 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm the OP and this is helpful. But I'll ask a follow up with a different hypo: Let's say I'm liberal and wouldn't clerk for the conservative wing including the Chief and I'm thinking about applying to Livingston. Is the fact that she has sent two to Roberts and two to Alito even relevant? Or, perhaps to generalize the point, is it better to look at this kind of thing on a justice by justice level...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=305889

Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 2:53:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
Honigman apparently laid off some associates; heard second hand so not sure if accurate.
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Re-apply or No?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 2:52:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
At the end of the year, I applied to a firm and had a first round interview with a partner and an associate (all virtually). I didn’t get a second round interview (and got rejected within a week). I was surprised, to be honest, because I thought the interview went pretty well. Fast forward 6 months, the job is still actively being posted and reposted on LinkedIn weekly, it seems. Would it be a bad...
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Re: Biglaw and Midlaw pay in Secondary/ Third markets  
  by: 2013   on: May 25, at 2:46:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I read before that BBS starts at 140 in Nashville and it crosses 200 by 8th year.
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Re: Biglaw and Midlaw pay in Secondary/ Third markets  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 2:10:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hey all, was just curious about firms in a couple locations and what their pay scale is. Nashville: Bass Berry, Waller, Bradley, Burr, Dickenson Wright Memphis: Burch Porter, Evans Petree, Glassman, Lewis Thomason, Bass Berry. Other locations that I'm interested in but I know little about: San Antonio, El Paso, Waco, Jackson, Little Rock, Greenville (South Carolina), and Phoenix How insular are t...
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Which markets offer bonuses?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 2:09:10 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I currently work in BigLaw in a major market but am thinking about changing markets after clerking to a smaller yet still sizable city. Is it likely that I would still receive a clerkship bonus if hired?
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Am I aiming too high?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 1:50:14 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Hi all, I'm a 2L applying to clerkships on plan and am in the process of finalizing my judge list. Am freaking out a little bit because I'm worried I've put too many competitive districts on my list. Was wondering if anyone can give a sense of whether it seems like I'm aiming too high? At HLS with 4Ps and 2DS's; the rest Hs. On exec board of secondary journal. Brief and unremarkable pre-law school...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Ohiobumpkin   on: May 25, at 1:01:16 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Does anyone know what the interview procedure is with COVID-19? Video interviews, socially distanced in-person interviews with PPE?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: COVID-19 delayed employment start date impact on F-1 visa students on OPT  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 12:50:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=strawberrywatermelon post_id=10427707 time=1590377521 user_id=203961]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427704 time=1590375180 user_id=45852]
International students were not given exceptions, although maybe LLMs were?
[/quote]

H1-B visa only applies to international students, no? What do you mean they weren't given the exceptions?
[/quote]

I was referring to one of the posts above that talked about how their firm made an exception for LLMs in terms of deferring start dates.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 12:49:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
In what ways do you mean those going to BB should be worried; you don't think they'll lay off incoming associates or something drastic like that, do you? If you mean rescission of offers, no, nothing quite drastic like that. Even a full-year deferral is out there. If you mean that there may not be much work once you get there and you would sit on your ass for a year before they lay you off at the...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: BrainsyK   on: May 25, at 12:31:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
The solution for companies that really use big firms enough for this to be a problem, and one increasingly adopted by large tech companies, is to bring more talent in-house. That way companies can get $1-2 million dollars worth of legal fees for $200-300k or whatever in total comp per attorney. If GCs insist on giving partners the profits instead of letting the corporation capture the excess itse...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: PMan99   on: May 25, at 12:19:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote] The point is that large law firms, in lockstep, have been pushing through 5%+ annual rate increases for the last 10 years. Do you every look at the bills that get sent out for M&A deals/cap market deals? Just ginormous monstrosities, with partners billing $1,500/hour, unqualified 1st years billing $450/hour, and senior associates close to the $1,000/hour mark. That is a massive amount of m...
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Biglaw and Midlaw pay in Secondary/ Third markets  
  by: crazywafflez   on: May 25, at 12:15:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hey all, was just curious about firms in a couple locations and what their pay scale is. Nashville: Bass Berry, Waller, Bradley, Burr, Dickenson Wright Memphis: Burch Porter, Evans Petree, Glassman, Lewis Thomason, Bass Berry. Other locations that I'm interested in but I know little about: San Antonio, El Paso, Waco, Jackson, Little Rock, Greenville (South Carolina), and Phoenix How insular are th...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=305938

Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: nixy   on: May 25, at 12:00:51 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Kathleen Zellner graduated from NIU in 1981, when law school cost like $5 a semester and during a completely different employment universe than today. You can’t use her career as a model. As people have pointed out, you absolutely can get a criminal defense job out of Drake. But it isn’t about how much money you make, it’s how much it costs you to get there. Criminal defense isn’t a high paying fi...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 11:53:28 am   in: Legal Employment
I think ppl are rustled because, at least IMO, it is very unlikely that ppl are doing 400 hour months legitimately -- I'm saying this as a KE corp associate who has done way too many 300+ months. I may work from 8 to midnight one day, but I am probably only billing 12-14 hours that day as that is probably an honest reflection of properly billable time -- my guess is that someone billing 400 hours...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: omgomghi   on: May 25, at 11:18:20 am   in: Choosing a Law School
This thread is either top-notch trolling or an example of someone’s mind melting down in real time. OP, if you’re not trolling, you need to take a deep breath and listen to the other posters. You say you don’t like people flashing credentials, but then you turn around and flash (undistinguished) life experience (which is honestly a pretty pathetic move and a symptom of the meltdown). You may have ...
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Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 11:14:05 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I would also feel comfortable passing along an app to my judge's attention after a good phone conversation from someone who'd otherwise be competitive, and have done that before -- I just think it is a bad look to explicitly ask over email to someone you've never met before? At the very least, it is risky and somewhat unlikely to be productive as a first request. Oh yes, you shouldn't ask that of...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 25, at 11:03:31 am   in: Choosing a Law School
$125k phases me, which is why $30-40k does not. Honestly, even if I wasn't offered any scholarships I would still go to law school because it's something I'm passionate about. How much money I can make with a JD is of little consequence to me. Anyone who lets income dictate their life direction is ultimately not going to have a happy life. If all you care about is how much money you can make then...
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Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: beepboopbeep   on: May 25, at 10:55:00 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I would also feel comfortable passing along an app to my judge's attention after a good phone conversation from someone who'd otherwise be competitive, and have done that before -- I just think it is a bad look to explicitly ask over email to someone you've never met before? At the very least, it is risky and somewhat unlikely to be productive as a first request.
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Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 10:49:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Unsolicited advice from a former clerk who is starting to get emails from current students: don't reach out asking how to make your application to a particular judge better. For one, at least for our chambers, there was no right answer other than "get really good grades and go to a good school," which you probably already tried your best to do and can't do anything more to improve on now. More im...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 25, at 10:45:39 am   in: Choosing a Law School
yOu LiTeRaLLy CaNnoT gEt An InTeRvIeW fOr FrOm EiThEr Of ThEsE sChOoLs. Nobody gives a shit where you went to school except for you. This isn't just my opinion, this is the rest of the world's opinion- sans a few people on this board I suppose. Kathleen Zellner went to NIU. They're not even RANKED. Do you think anyone gives a shit? Does that somehow lessen her credentials or effectiveness as a la...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 10:45:25 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Hey everyone, new to the board. Have read through this thread and gotten some great info! Aside from a few random applications last year, I'm really starting to dive in on AUSA applications for the first time. Essentially, I've applied to every criminal position available that has popped up on USAjobs in the last two months. I saw a timeline right at the beginning of this thread from 2016 that sa...
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LSAT gameplan  
  by: em114   on: May 25, at 10:44:59 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey all I wanted your advice if this sounds like a good game plan. I intend on taking the August 29th LSAT and today was my first official day of studying on my own and yesterday was my first live course lesson. I’m studying 5 hours a day per weekday and a total of 4 hours on the weekend (that’s including the 3 hour live course lesson). If I keep this up for 12 weeks does that sound like a suffici...
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Re: Ideologically mixed feeders/semi feeders  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 10:35:09 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Different feeders have different relationships with different justices, so yes you should pay attention to that. Most feeders aren't "all-purpose," though some are (e.g. Griffith and Sutton, https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/d-c-circuit-review-reviewed-all-purpose-feeder-judges/). Most highly one-sided feeders/semi-feeders like Pryor won't take cross-ideological clerks anyway, though there are some exc...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: nealric   on: May 25, at 10:05:47 am   in: Legal Employment
When you're doing a $400m debt issuance you might as well drop an extra $100k on legal fees if it means getting the best representation and potentially heading off issues down the road. The MAE stuff arising from the pandemic vindicates this risk aversion because it turns out there really are some billion-dollar commas from time to time. And the bank probably charging fees in excess of $1MM on th...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: nealric   on: May 25, at 10:01:20 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Op, the problem is that for better or worse, prospective employers care quite a bit where you went to school. That’s not always an argument in favor of going to an elite school. If you will really be happy as a public defender is Des Moines, then that goal is probably much more obtainable from Drake than Harvard because the folks making those hiring decisions are more likely to be Drake than Harva...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: JusticeSquee   on: May 25, at 9:59:47 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=beepboopbeep post_id=10427754 time=1590432127 user_id=104198]
cartoon-dog meme:



give [top-notch legal work]!

no [paying your associates with whatever structure you find effective for getting/retaining top talent]

only [top-notch legal work]
[/quote]

:lol:



https://imgflip.com/i/42sh6w
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 9:58:36 am   in: Legal Employment
In what ways do you mean those going to BB should be worried; you don't think they'll lay off incoming associates or something drastic like that, do you? If you mean rescission of offers, no, nothing quite drastic like that. Even a full-year deferral is out there. If you mean that there may not be much work once you get there and you would sit on your ass for a year before they lay you off at the...
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NY firms - investment funds/PE hiring activity at Kirkland, Ropes  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 9:42:13 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know when biglaw firms (specifically Kirkland and Ropes) will start hiring again, especially in Investment funds, PE? How are these groups doing at the moment? Given funds are such a big part of these firms, would like to know from people that work there or know someone working there. Background: finished second round interviews for an associate role (lateral) in investment funds/PE ju...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=305935

Re: NY Third Department Admissions  
  by:   on: May 25, at 9:40:36 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Has anyone completed their application in April and received a response yet?



I technically submitted my application in November, but I was just certified in April.



About how long does it take to do character and fitness?
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: beepboopbeep   on: May 25, at 9:30:58 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Nobody gives a shit where you went to school except for you. This isn't just my opinion, this is the rest of the world's opinion- sans a few people on this board I suppose. Kathleen Zellner went to NIU. They're not even RANKED. Do you think anyone gives a shit? Does that somehow lessen her credentials or effectiveness as a lawyer or take millions of dollars out of her account? LOL you're so unawa...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: Uncreative123   on: May 25, at 9:28:10 am   in: Choosing a Law School
So there may be a communication issue re: clerkship - do you mean a summer job working for a law firm, or a post-grad job working for a judge? Law firm(s), summer continuing into 2L & 3L. As for whether getting a JD ruins someone's life - there is a general assumption that taking on significant amounts of student loan debt (especially if you already have lots) isn't a great move. I don't think th...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 25, at 9:13:33 am   in: Legal Employment
If you have to travel internationally you can hit that.
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Re: The "Ask @JoeSeperac" Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 9:07:58 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello @JoeSeperac. I failed the Georgia Bar.



MBE: 133

Essays: 127



Total of 260 (270 is passing).



I was scoring roughly 65-67% correct on adaptibar leading up to the exam (1800 questions). Approximately how many questions did I get right on the MBE? Also, how many questions must one get correct to score a 140, 145, or a 150 on the MBE?
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Re: Ideologically mixed feeders/semi feeders  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 8:58:46 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Different feeders have different relationships with different justices, so yes you should pay attention to that. Most feeders aren't "all-purpose," though some are (e.g. Griffith and Sutton, https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/d-c-circuit-review-reviewed-all-purpose-feeder-judges/). Most highly one-sided feeders/semi-feeders like Pryor won't take cross-ideological clerks anyway, though there are some exc...
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Re: UT, TX, and CO State Supreme Court Clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 8:45:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
At my T6 the wisdom is that SCOTX takes about top 1/3. However, certain justices are more lenient on grades. Some rarely even look at apps from certain schools or basically reserve spots for certain schools. Such as Justice Boyd and Pepperdine.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 8:43:13 am   in: Legal Employment
Anon because I don’t want people being able to track the source down: My friend works in HR at Goodwin and she said that she thinks Goodwin laid off between 50-100 associates. She said that every year the firm lays off a handful (10-20) of associates a year after midyear reviews, but that this year it seems like it was significantly more. Anon bc incoming SA. Thank you for sharing. By any chance ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: beepboopbeep   on: May 25, at 8:42:07 am   in: Legal Employment
cartoon-dog meme:



give [top-notch legal work]!

no [paying your associates with whatever structure you find effective for getting/retaining top talent]

only [top-notch legal work]
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 25, at 8:35:42 am   in: Legal Employment
When you're doing a $400m debt issuance you might as well drop an extra $100k on legal fees if it means getting the best representation and potentially heading off issues down the road. The MAE stuff arising from the pandemic vindicates this risk aversion because it turns out there really are some billion-dollar commas from time to time.
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 8:35:41 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Is it true that Philly rescinded all their offers?
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 8:35:28 am   in: Legal Employment
Anon because I don’t want people being able to track the source down:



My friend works in HR at Goodwin and she said that she thinks Goodwin laid off between 50-100 associates. She said that every year the firm lays off a handful (10-20) of associates a year after midyear reviews, but that this year it seems like it was significantly more.
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Lurk2020   on: May 25, at 8:30:28 am   in: Legal Employment
The point is that large law firms, in lockstep, have been pushing through 5%+ annual rate increases for the last 10 years. Do you every look at the bills that get sent out for M&A deals/cap market deals? Just ginormous monstrosities, with partners billing $1,500/hour, unqualified 1st years billing $450/hour, and senior associates close to the $1,000/hour mark. That is a massive amount of money sp...
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Re: When to start prep for September bar?  
  by: SilvermanBarPrep   on: May 25, at 8:29:46 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For sure give yourself no less time than you would have had had you been preparing for July. But that's really a minimum. I think people will definitely benefit from the extra time so if it's in the cards for you to start, do so as soon as you're in the right mindset. So much of what makes preparing for the bar exam difficult is that there is more material to learn than there is time in which to l...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: veers   on: May 25, at 8:10:20 am   in: Legal Employment
The point is that large law firms, in lockstep, have been pushing through 5%+ annual rate increases for the last 10 years. Do you every look at the bills that get sent out for M&A deals/cap market deals? Just ginormous monstrosities, with partners billing $1,500/hour, unqualified 1st years billing $450/hour, and senior associates close to the $1,000/hour mark. That is a massive amount of money spe...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by:   on: May 25, at 8:02:23 am   in: Legal Employment
Also it's striking that the very first sentence of this thread references an email from Andy Calder, a Kirkland partner in Houston, who was brought over to K&E from STB at the age of 35 with a $5 million annual guarantee. But there are no complaints about partner compensation as a factor in "firms over-charging." Personally, I don't think that's how markets work - firms charge what businesses will...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 7:32:26 am   in: Legal Employment
I understand if you can't be more specific, but I would be interested in knowing which offices and how many people? BB's austerity measures over the last month are concerning. I literally don't know more than that. Sorry. BB really isn't in a good place to be during this recession. It's a financial thing, but they were actually starting to dig themselves out of that whole before this whole thing....
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: cheaptilts   on: May 25, at 6:16:22 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I think even the top-third cutoff is optimistic for COA at UChicago. For reference, I'm at HLS and have knowledge of our clerkship stats. Almost no one gets a COA clerkship right out of school here who does not have either top third grades or LR. For 2/9/DC both are practically required, with no LR you pretty much have to be magna (these stats come from my conversations with the clerkship office)...
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Re: Loyola & Pepperdine- Equal or Not?  
  by: nealric   on: May 25, at 6:10:55 am   in: Choosing a Law School
All the naysayers here are acting as if your entire career will be determined by your first job out of law school. Let's say you end up below median and have to start as a law clerk instead of as an associate. That does not mean you are doomed to being a law clerk forever. There are plenty of Pepperdine JDs who began as law clerks and now work as senior counsels for Netflix, Apple Music, Universa...
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 25, at 6:04:47 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I think even the top-third cutoff is optimistic for COA at UChicago. For reference, I'm at HLS and have knowledge of our clerkship stats. Almost no one gets a COA clerkship right out of school here who does not have either top third grades or LR. For 2/9/DC both are practically required, with no LR you pretty much have to be magna (these stats come from my conversations with the clerkship office)...
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: Ultramar vistas   on: May 25, at 5:59:59 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I reached out to Spivey about 7 years ago now because of unnecessary concern about my application. They basically refused to take my money, talked me out of writing the addenda that I was so worked up about, charged me a minor fee for the time and the read of my application and told me it would all be fine. I got into 2/3 of HYS and appreciate them today not letting myself over think the process. ...
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Re: HELP - can I quit my clerkship?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 5:43:34 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Judges won't blink an eye when dismissing you. Do what you wish. Life is short.
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Re: New York Likely Withdrawing from UBE  
  by: JoeSeperac   on: May 25, at 5:40:15 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Perhaps this is partially why the NY CoA is treating students that went to schools outside of NY state like second-class citizens with regard to registering for the September test. Every state is doing it. I was told Maine has filled its courtesy seats allotment and Missouri recently announced it was at capacity. One repeat examinee told me: " Currently, I’m struggling with the Bar because I don’...
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Re: New York Likely Withdrawing from UBE  
  by: JoeSeperac   on: May 25, at 5:36:05 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I was surprised by NY’s switch to the UBE in 2016 (after first announcing the possibility in October 2014). Back then, everyone felt this is what would happen. For example, a past president of the New York State Bar Association commented that: "I'm very concerned about the fact that [the UBE] is going to test on uniform law. I have been one of New York's five uniform law commissioners for 26 year...
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: Birdman1330   on: May 25, at 5:17:29 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I used Spivey and they were awesome. I got into a lot of great schools (just not HYS) with a lot of scholarship money. Also, they were very attentive and worked closely with me. I feel like their help definitely helped with my apps. That's just my experience though.
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Re: The "Ask @JoeSeperac" Thread  
  by: JoeSeperac   on: May 25, at 5:00:24 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi Joe Thanks for doing this! Would be you be able to tell me the percentiles for my scores. New York Bar February 2020 Administration: Total score: 323 Scaled MBE score: 173 MEE/MPT: 150 I used Themis and completed 100% of their course. Thanks! Congratulations on getting a very high MBE score! Based on your scaled MBE score of 173, your estimated raw MBE score was about 170/175 correct (based on...
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Re: The "Ask @JoeSeperac" Thread  
  by: JoeSeperac   on: May 25, at 4:58:25 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi Joe Grateful if you could also provide an analysis of my scores: New York Bar February 2020 Administration: Total score: 314 Scaled MBE score: 162.9 Foreign educated and studied about 1.5 months full time. Many thanks! Sorry for the delayed follow up. Congratulations on passing the F20 NY bar exam! I am going to guess you are Australian or Canadian. Based on your scaled MBE score of 162.9, you...
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Re: Below average international/175 LSAT  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 25, at 4:47:19 am   in: What are my chances?
You can probably get a T1 with 175/BA (in fact that's a rather desirable stat line for some schools) but I don't see how an American J.D., which is terrifically expensive, would further your career goals enough to be worth it. Do you have a concrete, specific career goal in mind? The best way to get into cybersecurity/cyberlaw is probably to get really good at the "cyber" part: IT certifications ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Monochromatic Oeuvre   on: May 25, at 4:32:12 am   in: Legal Employment
The point here is that in-house clients feel that their law firms overcharge them for the value of services they produce. And this is true broadly across all major biglaw firms. The biglaw firms often defend themselves by pointing to the high cost of attracting legal talent, and therefore the cost structure of biglaw is extremely relevant for in-house clients. If biglaw firms could produce the sa...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: nealric   on: May 25, at 4:21:02 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I understand it’s difficult to tell a bunch of strangers about your difficult choice and receive negative feedback. But the people replying to this thread aren’t saying these things because they are trying to make you feel bad. Choosing one of these schools isn’t necessarily a bad decision, but it is one that carries a significant degree of risk. What the posters here are doing is trying to make s...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Lurk2020   on: May 25, at 4:20:01 am   in: Legal Employment
The point here is that in-house clients feel that their law firms overcharge them for the value of services they produce. And this is true broadly across all major biglaw firms. The biglaw firms often defend themselves by pointing to the high cost of attracting legal talent, and therefore the cost structure of biglaw is extremely relevant for in-house clients. If biglaw firms could produce the sa...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by:   on: May 25, at 4:18:30 am   in: Legal Employment
The point here is that in-house clients feel that their law firms overcharge them for the value of services they produce. And this is true broadly across all major biglaw firms. The biglaw firms often defend themselves by pointing to the high cost of attracting legal talent, and therefore the cost structure of biglaw is extremely relevant for in-house clients. If biglaw firms could produce the sa...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: nealric   on: May 25, at 4:15:25 am   in: Legal Employment
The point here is that in-house clients feel that their law firms overcharge them for the value of services they produce. And this is true broadly across all major biglaw firms. The biglaw firms often defend themselves by pointing to the high cost of attracting legal talent, and therefore the cost structure of biglaw is extremely relevant for in-house clients. If biglaw firms could produce the sa...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 4:10:25 am   in: Legal Employment
I understand if you can't be more specific, but I would be interested in knowing which offices and how many people? BB's austerity measures over the last month are concerning. I literally don't know more than that. Sorry. BB really isn't in a good place to be during this recession. It's a financial thing, but they were actually starting to dig themselves out of that whole before this whole thing....
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 4:08:57 am   in: Legal Employment
Anon KE bk associate again. Not sure why people above are anon, but w/e. Really don't get attacking people saying they are busy, but hope you are well. I think ppl are rustled because, at least IMO, it is very unlikely that ppl are doing 400 hour months legitimately -- I'm saying this as a KE corp associate who has done way too many 300+ months. I may work from 8 to midnight one day, but I am pro...
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Re: Below average international/175 LSAT  
  by: crazywafflez   on: May 25, at 4:04:03 am   in: What are my chances?
Are you American? I had an international transcript. The schools won't really look at it, even if you get a below average evaluation, it doesn't count against them. Some schools might be a bit put off and deny you, so apply broadly, but your transcript won't effect them in the rankings. Your LSAT score is going to be vital. Apply broadly, especially at schools that care a lot about LSAT score. Don...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: crazywafflez   on: May 25, at 3:51:31 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I'll only add that you should not plan on being in the top of your class. I chose my current T1 on the assumption I'd be top of the my class and save money compared to going to a higher ranked school. I'm median. I'm happy my debt load won't be too high, but do not plan on being the top of your class. I'd try and wait one more year and retake & get rid of that conditional scholarship. Best of luck...
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 25, at 3:33:02 am   in: Legal Employment
I’m at a V30 in a non-NY major market. My firm announced in April that there would not be layoffs, pay cuts, furloughs, etc. but that performance-based terminations would proceed as usual. Two associates in litigation-based groups in my office were terminated this month. Both billed under 1,500 hours in 2019 and were on pace for even fewer hours in 2020, so I think these are legitimately performa...
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Re: Below average international/175 LSAT  
  by:   on: May 25, at 2:10:56 am   in: What are my chances?
You can probably get a T1 with 175/BA (in fact that's a rather desirable stat line for some schools) but I don't see how an American J.D., which is terrifically expensive, would further your career goals enough to be worth it. Do you have a concrete, specific career goal in mind? The best way to get into cybersecurity/cyberlaw is probably to get really good at the "cyber" part: IT certifications ...
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: HopefulSplitter0000   on: May 25, at 1:48:50 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Your post has several problems: First, your original applications sound like they may have been sent right out of college. In that case, what you did between cycles may have helped. Second, you say that they asked you to write an addendum. Why did they do that? What was the glaring problem with your first application? Why did the addendum allegedly hurt your app? Third, you did not say when you ap...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 25, at 1:13:23 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I'm just going to repeat nixy's question, because I think you have a very odd idea of what a "clerkship" is. So there may be a communication issue re: clerkship - do you mean a summer job working for a law firm, or a post-grad job working for a judge? I mean I could start with the fact that you clearly don't understand sarcasm when you read it or I could ask where the hell did you come up with you...
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Re: Big law from UVA w/ no journal or moot?  
  by: BrainsyK   on: May 24, at 10:16:11 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
At the absolute nadir of the Great Recession, UVA dipped to 48.1% FC+BL. It probably won't be as bad this time when it comes to hiring--though the unemployment numbers are actually worse at this particular moment. Yeah, you may very well have jeopardized your chances. When you're cutting it that close, the biglaw jobs that you get (assuming you get one), aren't going to very desirable. See pay cut...
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Required to appear for CF Investigatory hearing... I haven't slept in days  
  by: WorstLawdude   on: May 24, at 10:00:52 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I will keep this brief. I received a notice to appear for a hearing last Wednesday. I haven't really slept much since then. I'm terrified that I may have just erased seven years of work (counting undergrad). I don't have any convictions, never been arrested, no probation, academic dishonesty, or accusations of dishonesty/plagiarism. The panel is concerned about my departure from a pre law school j...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 9:51:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
I understand if you can't be more specific, but I would be interested in knowing which offices and how many people? BB's austerity measures over the last month are concerning. I literally don't know more than that. Sorry. BB really isn't in a good place to be during this recession. It's a financial thing, but they were actually starting to dig themselves out of that whole before this whole thing....
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Re: Study Prep Sources and Plans!  
  by: IntellectualMode   on: May 24, at 9:22:59 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
What are the most effective sources for LSAT studying from your experience and why? How has 7Sage and LSATPrep Plus help? Do I need to buy preptests if I already have those(asking for confirmation)? LSAT Planning June-October 4.5 Months My Plan is to work on Fundamentals with Khan, PowerScore, and 7Sage from June- Mid-July(Maybe) and do PrepTests from July up to the October test. I may periodical...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 24, at 8:39:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
I guess it depends on how you see yourself fitting into the pecking order. If you are at the bottom, obviously you prefer the slow-to-fire/let incompetent associates linger model. If you are in the middle, then you are probably indifferent. If you are at the top then the model kinda sucks, in that you will be putting in 8 years of way above average hours, for the same comp, just to get a shot at ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: veers   on: May 24, at 7:48:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
I guess it depends on how you see yourself fitting into the pecking order. If you are at the bottom, obviously you prefer the slow-to-fire/let incompetent associates linger model. If you are in the middle, then you are probably indifferent. If you are at the top then the model kinda sucks, in that you will be putting in 8 years of way above average hours, for the same comp, just to get a shot at m...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: veers   on: May 24, at 7:44:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
The point here is that in-house clients feel that their law firms overcharge them for the value of services they produce. And this is true broadly across all major biglaw firms. The biglaw firms often defend themselves by pointing to the high cost of attracting legal talent, and therefore the cost structure of biglaw is extremely relevant for in-house clients. If biglaw firms could produce the sam...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: nixy   on: May 24, at 7:05:45 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
So there may be a communication issue re: clerkship - do you mean a summer job working for a law firm, or a post-grad job working for a judge? As for the Drake stats about employment before last year, he's probably consulting this graphic: https://i.imgur.com/FoEFG48.png?1 found at this page: https://www.lstreports.com/schools/drake/jobs/. Note he said that before this year, 40% weren't employed *...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 7:03:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427497 time=1590178899 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427423 time=1590159797 user_id=45852]Bump again, what offices/groups?[/quote]

At least one of the TX offices, junior/mid-level-ish range of seniority, corporate.
[/quote]
I understand if you can't be more specific, but I would be interested in knowing which offices and how many people? BB's austerity measures over the last month are concerning.
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: beinghuman   on: May 24, at 7:00:42 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I'll try to address your counter-points and that'll be my last comment to you. You say regarding choice of speciality: That's why I haven't resigned myself to a specific area of law. I understand I could change my mind after the first year of school so I'm leaving it somewhat open. Response: Fine, but the schools you are looking at will not allow you much flexibility. You assume that you will have...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: Uncreative123   on: May 24, at 5:35:21 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
No, you haven't. I don't know what sort of jobs you've been offered, but you have not been offered a clerkship (not even for the least selective state judge) before being admitted to law school. Yes, I have. Why aren't you concerned about employment? For that matter, why aren't all the other students at Drake? Until last year, over 40% of Drake grads weren't employed as lawyers after graduation. ...
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Re: COVID-19 delayed employment start date impact on F-1 visa students on OPT  
  by: strawberrywatermelon   on: May 24, at 5:32:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427704 time=1590375180 user_id=45852]
International students were not given exceptions, although maybe LLMs were?
[/quote]

H1-B visa only applies to international students, no? What do you mean they weren't given the exceptions?
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Re: Susman Godfrey 5th Year Associate - AMA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 5:27:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks, OP. For applicants coming off a clerkship, does Susman have a grade cutoff? Would it vary by school, T14/T6/HYS and would it depend on whether you did a COA, District, or both? Non-OP SG Associate: I've never heard of a grade cutoff, but you definitely want to be at the higher end of your class. Clerkships will typically not give you a boost unless it is for like a feeder judge, in which ...
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Re: Susman Godfrey 5th Year Associate - AMA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 5:23:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
SG lawyers or other knowledgeable people: Is there a significant marginal benefit to a major city federal district court clerkship on top of a federal appellate clerkship for elite lit boutique hiring? What about double appellate clerkships? Thanks for doing this! Non-OP SG Associate Here--At the most generic level, the answer to your question is there is likely a marginal benefit, so yes. That s...
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Re: COVID-19 delayed employment start date impact on F-1 visa students on OPT  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 4:53:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
Incoming at V20, start date deferred till January 2021. Firm told us that if you won the lottery, you can either 1) exit the country until then, activate the H1B at consulate and reenter the country on the H1B; or 2) remain in status for OPT by staying in country and working either 20 hrs/wk for paid work or some volunteer work, no hour requirements. International students were not given exception...
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Re: Big law from UVA w/ no journal or moot?  
  by: spglasses   on: May 24, at 4:43:10 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Can't you still do Lile Moot Court starting this fall? Also, if I've heard correctly, isn't OGI moved back to January 2021 such that you have a semester to get grades up, which could be a bigger boost than normal since you only have 1 semester of actual grades? I’m not sure about moot but I’ll look into it. Yes, OGI was moved back. So I’m hoping I can raise my grades too. Im just worried that I m...
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Re: Big law from UVA w/ no journal or moot?  
  by: ExperssioUnius   on: May 24, at 4:39:07 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Can't you still do Lile Moot Court starting this fall?



Also, if I've heard correctly, isn't OGI moved back to January 2021 such that you have a semester to get grades up, which could be a bigger boost than normal since you only have 1 semester of actual grades?
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Big law from UVA w/ no journal or moot?  
  by: spglasses   on: May 24, at 4:19:01 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Rising 2L here slightly above median. I didn’t join a journal, and I’m not on moot. I do have a summer PI job, a part time summer RA, and some pro bono stuff as work experience + extracurriculars. I’m also probably gonna join a clinic next semester.



How badly did I screw up my chances at landing big law?
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: muskman   on: May 24, at 4:13:46 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Right, I personally would not do it. Will let a litigator chime in, but as one of these corporate lawyers referenced above, it is absolutely more tedious and my colleagues regularly wish they went to business school and/or into banking instead. Yes. OP, please specify if you would enter law school it ending to practice transactional law or become a litigator. That is a determinant on the response...
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 3:53:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’m at a V30 in a non-NY major market. My firm announced in April that there would not be layoffs, pay cuts, furloughs, etc. but that performance-based terminations would proceed as usual. Two associates in litigation-based groups in my office were terminated this month. Both billed under 1,500 hours in 2019 and were on pace for even fewer hours in 2020, so I think these are legitimately performan...
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: hvepassion123123   on: May 24, at 3:14:20 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Thanks for the replies all! I definitely don't think I want to do transactional law - from what I can tell in these cases, the bankers are at the forefront of structuring and closing the deal, with the lawyers playing an equally as important but more ancillary role of making sure the legal aspect is down pat. In those cases, I would rather do the business side of things and it would make more sens...
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: hvepassion123123   on: May 24, at 3:08:52 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Thanks for the replies all! I definitely don't think I want to do transactional law - from what I can tell in these cases, the bankers are at the forefront of structuring and closing the deal, with the lawyers playing an equally as important but more ancillary role of making sure the legal aspect is down pat. In those cases, I would rather do the business side of things and it would make more sens...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: nealric   on: May 24, at 3:07:37 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
You can’t wait a year or two? Did someone put a gun to your head and tell you to matriculate or he’d pull the trigger? I realize it’s very inconvenient, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do it. As for the retake- how much did you study? If it was not several hundred hours, you sold yourself short. You should be able to recite the types of logic games off the top of your head. If you find doing so te...
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: Yugihoe   on: May 24, at 3:04:19 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Right, I personally would not do it. Will let a litigator chime in, but as one of these corporate lawyers referenced above, it is absolutely more tedious and my colleagues regularly wish they went to business school and/or into banking instead. Yes. OP, please specify if you would enter law school it ending to practice transactional law or become a litigator. That is a determinant on the response...
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 2:34:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. If I go to one of these smaller markets, is it assumed that I will never be able to go back to a larger market (Chicago, NY, DC)? While I am looking to go to a smaller market now, I’m not sure if I Want that permanently, so I want to know what to expect before jumping in. It's going to be hard to get back to top biglaw firms in CHI/NY/DC if you spend a few years at a regional shop, becau...
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Sackboy   on: May 24, at 2:14:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. If I go to one of these smaller markets, is it assumed that I will never be able to go back to a larger market (Chicago, NY, DC)? While I am looking to go to a smaller market now, I’m not sure if I Want that permanently, so I want to know what to expect before jumping in. It's going to be hard to get back to top biglaw firms in CHI/NY/DC if you spend a few years at a regional shop, becau...
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: muskman   on: May 24, at 2:09:02 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Right, I personally would not do it. Will let a litigator chime in, but as one of these corporate lawyers referenced above, it is absolutely more tedious and my colleagues regularly wish they went to business school and/or into banking instead. Yes. OP, please specify if you would enter law school it ending to practice transactional law or become a litigator. That is a determinant on the response...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: beinghuman   on: May 24, at 1:43:42 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Alright. I agree with one of the comments above that a state flagship school is probably a better choice than a non-prestigious private school and since you do not risk losing your scholarship at UNL, I'd say that UNL will be less bad of an option than Drake. This being said, it is still not a good choice. You are correct that we don't know what the economy will look like in 3.5 years and that you...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 24, at 1:19:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP, I'm curious. Have you [I]personally participated[/i] in a rank-and-yank summer program? Or [i]worked at[/i] a professional services firm with mostly performance-based compensation?



It's not pleasant.



I would happily give up $20-$30K a year to keep my firm from turning into Lord of the Flies-Meets-Suits.
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: nixy   on: May 24, at 1:12:31 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I followed every word Spivey Consulting told me to do, including writing an addendum and its content, and it led to rejections. My point is: I did what Spivey Consulting told me to do, and didn’t get into any of my target schools. They didn’t even inquire about my results. or, you were going to be rejected without their assistance, and what they told you to do couldn't make any difference? Did yo...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 24, at 1:12:28 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I'm not worried unemployment/underemployment when it comes to Drake. I've been offered two clerkships already and I have a pretty good feel for the area demand after speaking with a dozen or so attorneys. No, you haven't. I don't know what sort of jobs you've been offered, but you have not been offered a clerkship (not even for the least selective state judge) before being admitted to law school....
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 24, at 12:56:14 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
But without knowing your exact stats, what schools you were targeting, and what your addendum was about, it's hard to properly judge your complaint. Right now this just looks like unjustified griping--it may have substance behind it, but we don't know that. You need to give us more. This. If your stats were 170/3.81, and you targeted HYS, then even the best consultant in the world might fail to g...
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: Pennoyer v. Meh   on: May 24, at 12:44:23 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
But without knowing your exact stats, what schools you were targeting, and what your addendum was about, it's hard to properly judge your complaint. Right now this just looks like unjustified griping--it may have substance behind it, but we don't know that. You need to give us more.
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 11:48:34 am   in: Legal Employment
Used to be - this crisis is eroding their market share. Skadden is getting deals, Paul Weiss, hell even white and case just filed a 25 billion liabilities chapter 11
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by:   on: May 24, at 11:30:48 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I followed every word Spivey Consulting told me to do, including writing an addendum and its content, and it led to rejections.



My point is: I did what Spivey Consulting told me to do, and didn’t get into any of my target schools.



They didn’t even inquire about my results.
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Re: Capital Markets vs. M&A  
  by: sms18   on: May 24, at 11:08:30 am   in: Legal Employment
FWIW, PE M&A isn't really counter-cyclical. Common misconception. Intuitively, you'd think that private equity is a huge buyer doing recessions because valuations are depressed and they buy the dip. Not the case, at least in aggregate. Private equity deal volume directionally tracks strategic M&A, which drops precipitously during recessions. Source: Pg 17 https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/McKinsey...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 24, at 10:37:24 am   in: Legal Employment
The hostility in this thread is very odd. Nobody likes working these kind of hours, but its not like this is normal or close to normal. If things stay like this, yes, I suspect attrition is going to be very high. Yeah I don’t get it either. I started the thread more as a complaint to anything else, and people get personally offended at my high hours. Only on tls I am not offended for the record. ...
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 10:29:52 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here. If I go to one of these smaller markets, is it assumed that I will never be able to go back to a larger market (Chicago, NY, DC)? While I am looking to go to a smaller market now, I’m not sure if I Want that permanently, so I want to know what to expect before jumping in.
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: ghostoftraynor   on: May 24, at 8:39:20 am   in: Legal Employment
Assuming the economy doesn’t rebound by the end of the year, will firms cut salaries again (on top of the already reduced salaries), or just lay people off aggressively at this point? Layoffs will begin. The salary reduction is really just a market correction. Most firms had no business moving to $190K when they did. It was just a bad case of keeping up with the Joneses. But now that the market i...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: Uncreative123   on: May 24, at 8:34:35 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Why do you want to go to law school? Do you know for sure that you'd like to work as a public defender? Or as a criminal defense attorney? (Also I'm not sure what space law is...) I wouldn't advise anyone to attend either school, especially in light of the economic recession that's going to befall us. Can you wait for a year or two? See if/how the economy rebounds and retake the LSAT? I cannot wa...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 8:29:58 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427663 time=1590336214 user_id=45852]
The hostility in this thread is very odd. Nobody likes working these kind of hours, but its not like this is normal or close to normal. If things stay like this, yes, I suspect attrition is going to be very high.
[/quote]

Yeah I don’t get it either. I started the thread more as a complaint to anything else, and people get personally offended at my high hours. Only on tls
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Re: Summer Internships and Corona  
  by: texas95   on: May 24, at 7:54:23 am   in: Legal Employment
Question about attire: my firm sent us an email that essentially said that there's no need to wear a suit unless we're going to be in a client meeting and that "nice casual" is fine. The firm explicitly said no t-shirts, but can I wear like short-sleeve button down shirts or is that too casual? Take a chunk of your first paycheck and go buy a bunch of polos with minimal branding (i.e. nothing mor...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 7:53:25 am   in: Legal Employment
What is it like to work at Weil and Kirkland bankruptcy? Aren’t all of folks trying to get into like a little more sane practices? Like DLA? You can’t make an extra $6,000 for an additional 1200 hours billed at a place like DLA. Who would take that? I mean, you can't at a place like Weil either lol Yup, weil doesn’t give above market bonuses even to its crazy high billing BFR associates
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: parkslope   on: May 24, at 7:51:48 am   in: Legal Employment
Assuming the economy doesn’t rebound by the end of the year, will firms cut salaries again (on top of the already reduced salaries), or just lay people off aggressively at this point? Layoffs will begin. The salary reduction is really just a market correction. Most firms had no business moving to $190K when they did. It was just a bad case of keeping up with the Joneses. But now that the market i...
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Re: When do you hear back fro transfer apps?  
  by: Goldie   on: May 24, at 7:51:10 am   in: Transfers
I applied to transfer to HLS a few years back on 6/15 and got accepted on 7/9. I heard back from a couple other schools a bit earlier, but not earlier than 7/1ish.
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: stoopkid13   on: May 24, at 7:42:07 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=cheaptilts post_id=10427654 time=1590329990 user_id=115050]
[quote=jarofsoup post_id=10427648 time=1590324003 user_id=25615]
What is it like to work at Weil and Kirkland bankruptcy? Aren’t all of folks trying to get into like a little more sane practices? Like DLA?
[/quote]

You can’t make an extra $6,000 for an additional 1200 hours billed at a place like DLA.



Who would take that?
[/quote]

I mean, you can't at a place like Weil either lol
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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 7:39:43 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Does anyone have any info on the judges on the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit? There are threads on this elsewhere and I'm definitely not a patent specialist, but I believe that Judge Taranto is both very well-respected and very competitive. The Federal Circuit's reputation is historically pretty poor--lots of 9-0 reversals by SCOTUS--but I believe that it's improved significantly since...
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Study Prep Sources and Plans!  
  by: Vishkvishnuai   on: May 24, at 7:20:11 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
I got a 146 on the LSAT twice and will be taking a gap year to study up to October to get at least a 160-165. I am weak when it comes to standardized testing, so I wanted to show the research I have brought together and get advice in order to help myself and others to most effectively study. I am going to keep this short because I know the real source of success is the hours you dump in, but I wan...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 24, at 6:47:24 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427663 time=1590336214 user_id=45852]
The hostility in this thread is very odd. Nobody likes working these kind of hours, but its not like this is normal or close to normal. If things stay like this, yes, I suspect attrition is going to be very high.
[/quote]

they're locked in tiny apartments working 20 hour days for no additional pay. of course they're pissed lol
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Re: Capital Markets vs. M&A  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: May 24, at 6:41:40 am   in: Legal Employment
FWIW, PE M&A isn't really counter-cyclical. Common misconception. Intuitively, you'd think that private equity is a huge buyer doing recessions because valuations are depressed and they buy the dip. Not the case, at least in aggregate. Private equity deal volume directionally tracks strategic M&A, which drops precipitously during recessions. Source: Pg 17 https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/McKinsey/...
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Re: Summer Internships and Corona  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 6:32:27 am   in: Legal Employment
If a firm hasn't guaranteed offers at this point, do you think they'll still probably offer everyone? SA at JD and getting rather nervous, especially with the current state of the economy. In 2009, JD only offered 77% of its summer class. I doubt JD will ever guarantee 100% offers, but I don't think the offer rate will significantly change this year. There are usually a few no-offers every year, ...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: LSATWiz.com   on: May 24, at 6:15:04 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Don't go to either expecting to have a job that would allow you to pay back your loans. In this economy, your odds of being a working attorney coming out of either will likely be less than 50/50. That's just the reality. It would be somewhat crazy to change your whole life for a 10% chance at a comfortable living that allows you to repay these loans back than a 5% chance. You need to assume in eac...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 6:03:34 am   in: Legal Employment
The hostility in this thread is very odd. Nobody likes working these kind of hours, but its not like this is normal or close to normal. If things stay like this, yes, I suspect attrition is going to be very high.
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: raquelislove   on: May 24, at 5:41:20 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Good Afternoon everyone! I am a part of a GroupMe chat that has individuals from different Jx's sharing materials and info (including FL). I have been helping everyone in that group and it is a great way to stay connected, accountable, and ask questions. Please send me your names and phone numbers to be added to the Group! Stay safe. Can you add me to the google drive, raquelislove@yahoo.com, whe...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 24, at 5:39:48 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=cheaptilts post_id=10427654 time=1590329990 user_id=115050]
[quote=jarofsoup post_id=10427648 time=1590324003 user_id=25615]
What is it like to work at Weil and Kirkland bankruptcy? Aren’t all of folks trying to get into like a little more sane practices? Like DLA?
[/quote]

You can’t make an extra $6,000 for an additional 1200 hours billed at a place like DLA.



Who would take that?
[/quote]

Wait did you say $6,000!! The firm is so generous when you bring in a million extra and they give you a weeks pay.
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Re: Pets during law school?  
  by: raquelislove   on: May 24, at 5:34:06 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
It is possible, but it does take alot of work and time from your day. If you do not permanently live close to where you study, then traveling with a pet might be difficult and expensive sometimes. So that is an additional factor to consider.
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Re: When to start prep for September bar?  
  by: raquelislove   on: May 24, at 5:27:52 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Do what is best for you, I plan on doing maybe 12-14 weeks becuase I want my barbri schedule to be under 5 hours a day, so that I have room to use other supplements. So I would probably start near the end of June.
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: idontwannausername   on: May 24, at 4:44:26 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks OP for starting this thread. My payments are deferred until Nov. 2020, I'll return and add my info then if that helps anyone.
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Re: Applying for PSLF Loan Forgiveness - My Advice  
  by: idontwannausername   on: May 24, at 4:40:28 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Good advice, OP! From where I stand (and I still have half way to go), I think it all comes down to applying for the employer certification each and every year like they recommend. Once this is done, you get annual verification that your employer meets the requirements as well as notice of how many qualifying payments that you've made until that point. I find that many people do not do the annual...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: nealric   on: May 24, at 4:26:49 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Why do you want to go to law school? Do you know for sure that you'd like to work as a public defender? Or as a criminal defense attorney? (Also I'm not sure what space law is...) I wouldn't advise anyone to attend either school, especially in light of the economic recession that's going to befall us. Can you wait for a year or two? See if/how the economy rebounds and retake the LSAT? I actually ...
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: JusticeSquee   on: May 24, at 4:22:48 am   in: Legal Employment
Assuming the economy doesn’t rebound by the end of the year, will firms cut salaries again (on top of the already reduced salaries), or just lay people off aggressively at this point? Layoffs will begin. The salary reduction is really just a market correction. Most firms had no business moving to $190K when they did. It was just a bad case of keeping up with the Joneses. But now that the market i...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: cheaptilts   on: May 24, at 4:19:50 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=jarofsoup post_id=10427648 time=1590324003 user_id=25615]
What is it like to work at Weil and Kirkland bankruptcy? Aren’t all of folks trying to get into like a little more sane practices? Like DLA?
[/quote]

You can’t make an extra $6,000 for an additional 1200 hours billed at a place like DLA.



Who would take that?
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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 4:18:01 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Does anyone have any info on the judges on the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit? There are threads on this elsewhere and I'm definitely not a patent specialist, but I believe that Judge Taranto is both very well-respected and very competitive. The Federal Circuit's reputation is historically pretty poor--lots of 9-0 reversals by SCOTUS--but I believe that it's improved significantly since...
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: nixy   on: May 24, at 2:59:42 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Yeah, I’d be curious about the addendum and whether the addendum killed the app, or whether whatever the addendum described was an actual problem that was minimized years later with distance from (whatever).



In any case, axe grinders aren’t really that convincing.
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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?  
  by: KPUSN07   on: May 24, at 2:50:01 am   in: Transfers
My cumulative GPA is 4.03 with two more grades to come for the semester, so I am sure I will be in the range for their 509s. But do I even have a shot coming from a T4? (My undergrad and LSAT are far from impressive too). What is your class rank? No mando P/F for the Spring Semester? Where are your LoRs from? Class rank for fall was #2. No Mando P/F for spring, but optional. So far I have 2 A+ on...
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 24, at 2:42:50 am   in: Legal Employment
I think firms are already stealthing. There is slow like an associate is only billing 120 hours a month and then there are people billing 0 hours a month. If you are billing 0 the firm can’t carry that for very long.
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 24, at 2:40:03 am   in: Legal Employment
What is it like to work at Weil and Kirkland bankruptcy? Aren’t all of folks trying to get into like a little more sane practices? Like DLA?
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 24, at 2:40:03 am   in: Legal Employment
What is it like to work at Weil and Kirkland bankruptcy? Aren’t all of folks trying to get into like a little more sane practices? Like DLA?
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Re: GMU OCI  
  by:   on: May 24, at 2:39:08 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Would you mind telling me what kind of work you’re interested in doing (Big law/Government/Midsize firm/Other)? I graduated from GMU law within the last few years and took part in OCI myself back in the day, mainly because I didn’t know what I wanted to do at the time. The process actually opened my eyes to how big law was not a good fit for me, and even though I took part in the OCI interview pro...
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 24, at 2:28:25 am   in: Legal Employment
What is your opinion of state antitrust units? I worked for one over the summer as an intern and wonder if starting out there is a viable path to eventually get to DOJ. OP here. The other agency folks should jump in here as well, as responses to this question will necessarily rely on anecdotal information. The state AG units really vary in sophistication, staffing, and antitrust focus. A lot of s...
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Re: When do you hear back fro transfer apps?  
  by: KPUSN07   on: May 24, at 2:20:33 am   in: Transfers
All schools are different some are rolling once all materials are received - some have a firm deadline as to when they start reviewing apps (Harvard and UVA for example). Really depends on the individual school
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Re: Loyola & Pepperdine- Equal or Not?  
  by: Rooks   on: May 24, at 2:10:27 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I'm in LA. There is no difference at all between the two. I have no idea which is ranked higher, and neither will your future employer.



Also, I really hope mods aren't sarcastically giving advice in other threads. It's pretty sad seeing that happen earlier in this thread.
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Re: Loyola & Pepperdine- Equal or Not?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 24, at 1:14:25 am   in: Choosing a Law School
All the naysayers here are acting as if your entire career will be determined by your first job out of law school. Let's say you end up below median and have to start as a law clerk instead of as an associate. That does not mean you are doomed to being a law clerk forever. "Law clerk" generally refers to someone who has not yet passed the bar and is working under supervision. So I have no idea wh...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 24, at 1:02:32 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Why do you want to go to law school? Do you know for sure that you'd like to work as a public defender? Or as a criminal defense attorney? (Also I'm not sure what space law is...) I wouldn't advise anyone to attend either school, especially in light of the economic recession that's going to befall us. Can you wait for a year or two? See if/how the economy rebounds and retake the LSAT? I second al...
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Re: Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 24, at 1:00:48 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You left out a few pieces of really important information in your Yelp review: 1. What were your actual numbers? 2. What were your target schools? 3. Why were you using a consultant service in the first place? There are multiple people who have discussed being turned away from Spivey if they weren't a good candidate for consulting. Someone with a high LSAT/GPA and no C&F issues doesn't seem like a...
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Anyone here from University of Georgia Law School?  
  by:   on: May 24, at 12:46:02 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
If there is anyone from UGA Law School, please send me a dm. I need to ask a favor
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When do you hear back fro transfer apps?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 11:53:44 pm   in: Transfers
I can’t submit final transcripts until like June 3rd. How long do schools take to hear back? Are they rolling admissions?



I’m applying to all the schools in the tri-state NYC area, George Washington, George Mason, Florida State, and Northeastern.
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Re: Loyola & Pepperdine- Equal or Not?  
  by: mushumbadiwadi   on: May 23, at 10:45:19 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
All the naysayers here are acting as if your entire career will be determined by your first job out of law school. Let's say you end up below median and have to start as a law clerk instead of as an associate. That does not mean you are doomed to being a law clerk forever. There are plenty of Pepperdine JDs who began as law clerks and now work as senior counsels for Netflix, Apple Music, Universal...
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Used Spivey Consulting; got rejected from all target schools  
  by:   on: May 23, at 10:23:50 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I paid about $2000+ for Spivey Consulting. I have 3.8+ GPA and 170+ LSAT and no character or fitness issues. They did not provide any special advice or personalized approach for my application. They said, show me your Personal Statement and said it was good. They told me to write an addendum, which in hindsight killed my application. They provide barely any edits or detailed comments about my PS. ...
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by:   on: May 23, at 8:07:32 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think even the top-third cutoff is optimistic for COA at UChicago. For reference, I'm at HLS and have knowledge of our clerkship stats. Almost no one gets a COA clerkship right out of school here who does not have either top third grades or LR. For 2/9/DC both are practically required, with no LR you pretty much have to be magna (these stats come from my conversations with the clerkship office)....
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: Pomeranian   on: May 23, at 8:00:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Assuming the economy doesn’t rebound by the end of the year, will firms cut salaries again (on top of the already reduced salaries), or just lay people off aggressively at this point?
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When to start prep for September bar?  
  by: texas95   on: May 23, at 6:00:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
My Barbri study plan has me studying for 17 weeks for the September 30-October 1 bar, beginning with a few hours per day and eventually ramping up to full-time study. I worry about burning out if I follow this plan. I’d much rather study for 8-12 weeks. How are others in this situation approaching prep?
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Re: Los Angeles Law Firms - Car home policy? Also, where do people usually live?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 5:37:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Our DTLA office is an absolute ghost town by 630 pm so there is no need for a dinner perk, and I would hate for one to be introduced if that would come at the cost of the culture shifting to associates staying late enough to use it. (Obviously during trial, etc. there will be catering.) Anyway, you can use the COL savings between LA and NY on dinner. We don’t have a car service perk for the reason...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: 2davywavy   on: May 23, at 5:19:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey everyone! I just responded to all the DM's I received regarding the Bar Prep materials and added everyone to the Google drives! To be added, please send me your email. If anyone would like to chat about my Florida score and/or how I passed this time (I know I said this before) but please reach out to me so I can help. My job offer is on hold, so I have nothing but time to help with the Bar. W...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 4:57:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not op, but anon KE bk associate. Also going to land somewhere between 350-400 this month. It fucking sucks. Didn't get vibe OP was bragging. No idea what "one of the top firms in NY" means, but sounds like someone is slow and not as top as they think. To be clear, nothing about billing 400 hours is cool or brag worthy. Just think some DLA piper associate making masturbation jokes is a bit uncall...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 4:55:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anon KE bk associate again. Not sure why people above are anon, but w/e. Really don't get attacking people saying they are busy, but hope you are well. Weil BFR associate (not anon above). It's been busy, but 400 a month is bad (as opposed to busy). Hopefully you're doing well. We wouldn't want you to end up at "DLA piper". :P Haha to be clear, think DLA piper's bk group is really good, just used...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 4:38:25 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Does anyone have insight into how Civil Rights Division does its hiring and interview process? Culture? Also, does anyone have insight into District Hawaii and what the office is like and what typical pay is? Do you mean the Civil Rights Division in DC, at Main Justice? Might need to ask in another thread. Or do you mean civil or affirmative civil enforcement AUSAs? As for Hawaii, google "adminis...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 4:28:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427624 time=1590285941 user_id=45852]
Anon KE bk associate again. Not sure why people above are anon, but w/e.



Really don't get attacking people saying they are busy, but hope you are well.
[/quote]

Weil BFR associate (not anon above). It's been busy, but 400 a month is bad (as opposed to busy). Hopefully you're doing well. We wouldn't want you to end up at "DLA piper". :P
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 4:05:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anon KE bk associate again. Not sure why people above are anon, but w/e.



Really don't get attacking people saying they are busy, but hope you are well.
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 4:02:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not op, but anon KE bk associate. Also going to land somewhere between 350-400 this month. It fucking sucks. Didn't get vibe OP was bragging. No idea what "one of the top firms in NY" means, but sounds like someone is slow and not as top as they think. To be clear, nothing about billing 400 hours is cool or brag worthy. Just think some DLA piper associate making masturbation jokes is a bit uncall...
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: beinghuman   on: May 23, at 3:58:30 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Why do you want to go to law school? Do you know for sure that you'd like to work as a public defender? Or as a criminal defense attorney? (Also I'm not sure what space law is...)



I wouldn't advise anyone to attend either school, especially in light of the economic recession that's going to befall us.



Can you wait for a year or two? See if/how the economy rebounds and retake the LSAT?
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 3:55:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not op, but anon KE bk associate. Also going to land somewhere between 350-400 this month. It fucking sucks. Didn't get vibe OP was bragging. No idea what "one of the top firms in NY" means, but sounds like someone is slow and not as top as they think. To be clear, nothing about billing 400 hours is cool or brag worthy. Just think some DLA piper associate making masturbation jokes is a bit uncall...
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: beinghuman   on: May 23, at 3:45:29 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Ok. So we basically agree. I just didn't think "pretty deep" aptly described "top third," which is not easy to get. And yes, there are always exceptions as you mentioned. But that was my whole point about relative placement power and not to bank on such outcome when one is making a choice such as this one, if the analysis involves cost and outcomes. But if one doesn't care about money and cares mo...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 3:42:04 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Also, re: time to contact re: initial interview, it's been pretty short in my experience, but it can vary a lot, by office and what they have going on. And the pandemic could certainly be making a difference (my office moved forward and did interviews by video, but some offices might not want to).
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Re: Military Law - Navy Jag Student Program  
  by: hkhmc36   on: May 23, at 3:40:35 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Is anyone out there a rising 3L applying to the Spring 2020 accessions board? Any word if this board will be more selective due to covid? I am worried that those who never even considered Navy JAG before this pandemic will flock to the application now and make it that much harder...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 3:38:47 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Does anyone have insight into how Civil Rights Division does its hiring and interview process? Culture? Also, does anyone have insight into District Hawaii and what the office is like and what typical pay is? Do you mean the Civil Rights Division in DC, at Main Justice? Might need to ask in another thread. Or do you mean civil or affirmative civil enforcement AUSAs? As for Hawaii, google "adminis...
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Re: Engineering to Law School  
  by: dvlthndr   on: May 23, at 3:35:52 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I want to accomplish my dream of becoming a patent lawyer, and maybe do some criminal defense pro bono. My GPA is 3.2 and I am hispanic (URM). The two law schools I'm interested in attending are Fordham and GW because I would love to practice in the areas those schools are located in and I believe they can help me land a job with enough compensation to pay off the loans of a law school education....
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Re: Capital Markets vs. M&A  
  by: babylawyer101   on: May 23, at 3:28:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
Cap markets first year here who also was choosing between these. I agree with a lot that has been said (essentially Cap markets is more rule based and technical). While M&A hours are typically more wild, Cap markets is slammed right now with everyone trying to get liquidity, which shows that it also has its highs and lows. I would also add that Cap markets has a significant amount debt side work t...
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Re: Northern District of Illinois Clerkships  
  by: Wild Card   on: May 23, at 3:14:21 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'd also like to hear more about Lee, as well as Kendall.
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: Sackboy   on: May 23, at 2:59:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427550 time=1590202558 user_id=45852]


Agreed - the firms shedding associates and cutting pay are over-leveraged. They hired too many attorneys and expanded too fast.
[/quote]

In some cases, this is probably true. In most cases, I imagine that firms have just lost too much business in their main practice areas and due to too low of profit margins don't really have the reserves to deal with it without austerity measures.
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Re: Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: dvlthndr   on: May 23, at 2:57:53 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
* Most importantly- I have a two year old son living in Des Moines. I share custody with his mom, but he stays with her most of the time. I'm aware that I'll have very little free time while in school so I don't know how to effectively gauge how bad it would be for me to be 2 1/2 hours away vs 10 minutes away. This is actually the main reason I'm considering Drake over UNL, but it's an $83,000 ga...
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: Necho2   on: May 23, at 2:33:14 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Co-sign everything above on UChi. Fed Soc-affiliated definitely dips down close to median for CoA. And yeah- flyover= columbus, cleveland, etc. not genuinely a small town. I think we give out honors to top 22-25% and I definitely recall plenty of non-honors folks clerking at the appellate level. I think top-third for CoA (assuming no geographic restrictions) is reasonable, and down to 40-45% for F...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 2:25:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not op, but anon KE bk associate. Also going to land somewhere between 350-400 this month. It fucking sucks. Didn't get vibe OP was bragging. No idea what "one of the top firms in NY" means, but sounds like someone is slow and not as top as they think. To be clear, nothing about billing 400 hours is cool or brag worthy. Just think some DLA piper associate making masturbation jokes is a bit uncalle...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 1:57:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427607 time=1590278076 user_id=45852]
I work at one of the top restructuring firms in NYC. This troll is full of sh%!. This dude is just a chronic masturbator with too much time on his hands.
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: ribbit16   on: May 23, at 1:55:54 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Sorry, I meant to write small cities and not small towns. My bad. And that's fine, but can you tell us how deep they dig? Does a median student at Uchi typically get a CoA clerkship? My point is that placement power is relative: they dig deeper than elsewhere but not necessarily pretty deep--depending how you define that term. I think it would be good info for OP to have some quantifiable estimat...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 1:54:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
I work at one of the top restructuring firms in NYC. This troll is full of sh%!. This dude is just a chronic masturbator with too much time on his hands.
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Can't make a decision; at a dead end  
  by: Uncreative123   on: May 23, at 1:45:10 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I respect the opinions of members here and I'm hoping someone will call attention to an aspect I haven't yet considered while making this decision. I came across some older threads where a few people were debating a few of the same schools for the same reasons I am. I've already withdrawn apps from a couple of schools that offered me $25k/year scholarships like Michigan State and Creighton. I'm do...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 23, at 1:34:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
lol it's not a badge of honor to bill that much. As one federal judge has observed, it's a badge of mental illness. Also, are you trying to strike fear in the hearts of associates who through no fault of their own are sitting around without work? That's double mental illness. OP here - who is bragging? Why are you so sensitive? What a bizarre response. I’m not happy that I’ve already passed 320 b...
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Re: Software engineer to attorney?  
  by:   on: May 23, at 1:27:19 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Don't do this unless you are very certain you want to be a lawyer and are financially comfortable. I made this decision a few years back with a clear understanding of what I was getting into from first-hand observations and also the financial trade-off (nearly a 7-figure swing for the three years of law school alone). Even with that level of certainty and reasonably good outcomes (enjoyed school ...
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: beinghuman   on: May 23, at 1:07:48 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Sorry, I meant to write small cities and not small towns. My bad. And that's fine, but can you tell us how deep they dig? Does a median student at Uchi typically get a CoA clerkship? My point is that placement power is relative: they dig deeper than elsewhere but not necessarily pretty deep--depending how you define that term. I think it would be good info for OP to have some quantifiable estimate...
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 12:58:48 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
Hey everyone, new to the board. Have read through this thread and gotten some great info! Aside from a few random applications last year, I'm really starting to dive in on AUSA applications for the first time. Essentially, I've applied to every criminal position available that has popped up on USAjobs in the last two months. I saw a timeline right at the beginning of this thread from 2016 that sai...
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 12:18:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
Heard a rumor today that Honigman let some associates go.
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Re: Los Angeles Law Firms - Car home policy? Also, where do people usually live?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 12:04:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
Same for my prior DTLA firm. I never knew whether there even was a car home perk because I drove every day. Comped seamless/grubhub wasn't really a thing, either. But in part that was because the place was pretty empty after 7pm; even if we'd had a NY-style policy not a ton of people would've been using it. DTLA, Silverlake/Echo park/Los Feliz definitely the most common neighborhoods. Some Ktown/m...
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Re: Los Angeles Law Firms - Car home policy? Also, where do people usually live?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 11:52:54 am   in: Legal Employment
The car home/perks (e.g., free dinner) at LA biglaw firms is not nearly as generous as NYC. Car service really isn’t a thing, because nobody takes public transit to work in the first place, everybody just drives (especially in Century City, where there is no metro stop, and nobody takes the bus in LA). My firm has a free dinner policy that nobody uses, because the requirements are onerous (bill 8+...
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 10:26:10 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know if there are any other firms that substantially beat local market in these areas besides Belin, Foley, and Jones Day’s tiny Minneapolis office? Especially interested in litigation but curious in general.



Good luck and congrats on the interview OP, that’s a great firm in that market.
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Re: Taking abundant CC courses to boost GPA?  
  by: crazywafflez   on: May 23, at 9:28:16 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
They only care about your gpa- doesn't matter where you study or what. Taking summer courses or CC course are fine and a good way to broaden your knowledge base and to hopefully boost your GPA. The F is gonna really hurt and if it shows on your transcript at all and wasn't removed LSAC will calculate it. Best of luck
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: May 23, at 9:25:36 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
Midlevel market-paying biglaw lit associate chiming in. There are a number of stressful aspects of the job, but day to day intellectually I enjoy what I do at least 80% of the time. My lit peers feel similarly (at least the ones at high level shops), and my transactional peers generally do not. Take from that what you will. I do Spend a lot of time analyzing precedent (or more specifically, the ex...
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: ribbit16   on: May 23, at 9:22:13 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I agree that the bottom 40% at NU can be rough and I'm not trying to defend NU here but one should be fair. If you look at the 2018 numbers, NU had 229 students vs. 202 at UChi--that is not a MUCH smaller class. It would be interesting though to see how the 2019 numbers look like once they release them. If you look at the 2011 numbers, NU placed about 10% more students in big firms than UChi, whi...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: cheaptilts   on: May 23, at 9:18:58 am   in: Legal Employment
lol it's not a badge of honor to bill that much. As one federal judge has observed, it's a badge of mental illness. Also, are you trying to strike fear in the hearts of associates who through no fault of their own are sitting around without work? That's double mental illness. OP here - who is bragging? Why are you so sensitive? What a bizarre response. I’m not happy that I’ve already passed 320 b...
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Re: Susman Godfrey 5th Year Associate - AMA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 9:17:07 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks, OP. For applicants coming off a clerkship, does Susman have a grade cutoff? Would it vary by school, T14/T6/HYS and would it depend on whether you did a COA, District, or both?
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Re: NY Third Department Admissions  
  by: cls1650   on: May 23, at 8:43:29 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone know if the third dept is increasing the number of oath ceremonies? The usual dates are Jan 23, May 15, June 25, Sept 17, and Oct 15. Has anyone been invited to a date other than one I listed? Thanks.
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 7:57:20 am   in: Legal Employment
What is your opinion of state antitrust units? I worked for one over the summer as an intern and wonder if starting out there is a viable path to eventually get to DOJ.
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Re: Taking abundant CC courses to boost GPA?  
  by: AdequateProtection   on: May 23, at 7:55:01 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm not an admissions expert, so this is just my personal experience, but I fulfilled most my general education requirements at a CC. I don't feel like it had any effect when I applied to law school. Granted, I wasn't applying to any T14 schools, and it may be different if you're targeting Yale or something. But I did get into several T25 schools with scholarships. My understanding is that law sch...
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Re: July 2020 MD Bar Exam - postponed or no?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 7:37:40 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
The MD SBLE sent out an email today stating this: THE JULY 2020 UBE IN MARYLAND WILL BE POSTPONED AND RESCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 9 AND 10 at multiple locations to be determined. SBLE’s ability to conduct a September UBE will depend on then-existing public health conditions. The Court’s Administrative Order postponing the UBE and an accompanying press release are expected to issue on Tuesday morning...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: ChickenSalad   on: May 23, at 7:36:42 am   in: Legal Employment
I’m not sure why in-house folks should care one bit how Biglaw compensation works. Do you take such a deep interest in the compensation model at Kimberly Clark when you buy toilet paper? Law firms pay how they do because that’s how they attract the associates they need. Keep in mind that associates are assets - they are a product that the firm invests in and can be resold for a profit. Purging as...
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: Yugihoe   on: May 23, at 7:36:02 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
Right, I personally would not do it. Will let a litigator chime in, but as one of these corporate lawyers referenced above, it is absolutely more tedious and my colleagues regularly wish they went to business school and/or into banking instead.
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Re: NY Third Department Admissions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 6:58:29 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I received an email on Thursday with the subject "WELCOME TO THE NEW YORK STATE BAR". You should receive one too once they processed your affidavit. It also has some attachments regarding CLE Credits and whatnot, and says that we will receive our certs of good standing in the mail shortly. One thing I included with my Affidavit was a copy of my registration receipt, since the affidavit had no plac...
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Re: Los Angeles Law Firms - Car home policy? Also, where do people usually live?  
  by: replevin123   on: May 23, at 6:53:46 am   in: Legal Employment
Curious what the car situation is like for other non NYC big cities like Chicago, SF, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: jacketyellow   on: May 23, at 6:44:29 am   in: Legal Employment
Restructuring midlevel here at one of the top shops - currently sitting at 195 billables through day 14 of 31 of this month. Work from home quarantine makes this possible because there’s no commuting, getting dressed for work, etc. just roll out of bed after a few hours of sleep and start grinding away the billables. So how many other restructuring associates are gonna hit 400 this month with me?...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 6:26:55 am   in: Legal Employment
Is this really a problem? OP says he likes working with Kirkland, Latham, Ropes, and Wachtell. Of those firms, only one pays lockstep.



Kirkland: black box bonuses

Latham: lockstep but willing to fire people they don't like

Ropes: black box bonuses after year 2

Wachtell: pays above market, and they don't let any idiots through their doors anyway
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 5:54:05 am   in: Legal Employment
lol it's not a badge of honor to bill that much. As one federal judge has observed, it's a badge of mental illness. Also, are you trying to strike fear in the hearts of associates who through no fault of their own are sitting around without work? That's double mental illness. OP here - who is bragging? Why are you so sensitive? What a bizarre response. I’m not happy that I’ve already passed 320 b...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by:   on: May 23, at 5:30:26 am   in: Legal Employment
I think Kirkland is concerned about what the last two months have done to some practices because (for the first time I can remember) our Friday afternoon weekly email from the chairman implored busy associates to take time off over the holiday weekend and treat it like a pre-COVID long weekend as much as possible. I’m sure the BK/Resstructuring people we’re front of mind when that was drafted.
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by:   on: May 23, at 5:28:47 am   in: Legal Employment
I actually want to work this out and see where it goes. OP says a firm that offers $120k to first years, with $120k bonuses to a meaningfully-sized band of top performers, will eventually outperform the “market” $190k + $10k firms in terms of associate talent acquisition. Who would do this? Cravath and the rest of the V10 are already attracting top associate talent. It would need to be a firm that...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: nealric   on: May 23, at 4:21:24 am   in: Legal Employment
I’m not sure why in-house folks should care one bit how Biglaw compensation works. Do you take such a deep interest in the compensation model at Kimberly Clark when you buy toilet paper? Law firms pay how they do because that’s how they attract the associates they need. Keep in mind that associates are assets - they are a product that the firm invests in and can be resold for a profit. Purging ass...
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MyLSN Graph No Longer Exists?  
  by: Another0Ler   on: May 23, at 4:08:53 am   in: What are my chances?
I go on to the mylsn website for their helpful scholarship graphs and it is not there. I tried on mobile and a different browser. In fact none of their graphs work. What gives? It is impossible to google.
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Re: Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: Elbble   on: May 23, at 3:51:23 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
well, if you're interested in "analyzing cases/legal precedent" then what you'd want to do is litigation, not corporate (the latter is what the Cravath/Skadden guys that you interact with do, and I'd agree with you that it's tedious and awful, and absolutely not worth trading in your current job for). I know a bunch of people with your profile - ibanking for a few years straight out of college, th...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 23, at 2:04:14 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm not sure what I expected from a thread named after a dumbass meme...
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Re: Susman Godfrey 5th Year Associate - AMA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 23, at 12:54:54 am   in: Legal Employment
What are the main factors that explain Susman’s ability to pay materially higher salaries than other elite firms? More plaintiffs work? Longer hours? Why do you think more firms with highly-credentialed lawyers haven’t tried to replicate Susman’s model?
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Stay in Investment Banking or Go for Law?  
  by: hvepassion123123   on: May 22, at 9:05:41 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Hi all, I a currently first year investment banking analyst specializing in debt capital markets at a bulge bracket bank in New York. The past ten months of working in finance has been difficult for me to say the least, primarily because I find the work mind-numbingly dull and unexciting, coupled with a bad/high stress culture and long hours. My strong suit has always been in the humanities and I'...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Winter is Coming   on: May 22, at 7:00:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
One of the worst parts about the TLS buyout is that it is impossible to tell the difference between delusional idiots, bootlickers, paid shills and straight conmen. I have a feeling that OP is a mixture of all four. Bob Dell strikes again. "While this brief email announcement is not an ideal form for communicating this type of decision, it is the only realistic way for a firm of our size to infor...
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Wild Card   on: May 22, at 6:48:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
lol it's not a badge of honor to bill that much. As one federal judge has observed, it's a badge of mental illness.



Also, are you trying to strike fear in the hearts of associates who through no fault of their own are sitting around without work? That's double mental illness.
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Taking abundant CC courses to boost GPA?  
  by: Chubbyelle   on: May 22, at 6:28:56 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
So, I go to a prominent public university in CA and have completely fucked up my freshman/sophomore year. Received a few NP and even an F, which I did replace by retaking the class but still, I have no doubt that they'll factor into my lsac gpa regardless. It seems like at this point the only way to boost my gpa is by taking lots of summer classes from my school and other community colleges. My qu...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: JusticeJackson   on: May 22, at 6:21:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Winter is Coming" post_id=10427555 time=1590204592 user_id=109161]
One of the worst parts about the TLS buyout is that it is impossible to tell the difference between delusional idiots, bootlickers, paid shills and straight conmen. I have a feeling that OP is a mixture of all four.
[/quote]

Bob Dell strikes again.
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Re: How many other restructuring associates hitting 400 this month?  
  by: Calka   on: May 22, at 5:57:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
Take it easy. It sounds like you're approaching 400 as if it's a feat. Dial it back if you can. We're all going to be busy for a while and your pace is likely unsustainable...Even from an economic standpoint, whatever additional bonus you get for billing 3,500+ this year probably isn't worth it.
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Re: 180k Northwestern vs 90k UChicago (vs HLS WL)  
  by: beinghuman   on: May 22, at 5:31:28 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I agree that the bottom 40% at NU can be rough and I'm not trying to defend NU here but one should be fair. If you look at the 2018 numbers, NU had 229 students vs. 202 at UChi--that is not a MUCH smaller class. It would be interesting though to see how the 2019 numbers look like once they release them. If you look at the 2011 numbers, NU placed about 10% more students in big firms than UChi, whil...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Winter is Coming   on: May 22, at 5:29:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
What's your actual thesis here, bootlicker? Do you think you're the first person to suggest that Biglaw could treat its employees worse and still have a waiting list? I'm guessing the same is true of your job. No-offers wreck someone's chance of ever getting back into Biglaw. Layoffs are not quite as deleterious but, when they happen at a junior level, indebted associates often can't afford them....
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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 5:26:24 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Does anyone have any info on the judges on the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit? There are threads on this elsewhere and I'm definitely not a patent specialist, but I believe that Judge Taranto is both very well-respected and very competitive. The Federal Circuit's reputation is historically pretty poor--lots of 9-0 reversals by SCOTUS--but I believe that it's improved significantly since...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Monochromatic Oeuvre   on: May 22, at 5:25:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
I mean we don't pay for shit work and overbilling that is how this got started. Also I'd advise against playing the ad-hominem comp insult game, its not one you will win - I'm also not in-house counsel. My job and all of my colleagues job is at risk for lay-offs, its part of the exchange, in boom times we do exceedingly well, in not so great times, we don't do as well. Its likely I am laid off or...
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Re: LSAT Flex  
  by: dvlthndr   on: May 22, at 5:06:56 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Here is the LSAC FAQ (source: https://www.lsac.org/update-coronavirus-and-lsat/lsat-flex) Since the proportion of Logical Reasoning questions is different on the LSAT-Flex, how should I prepare? Will Logical Reasoning questions be weighted the same as Analytical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension questions, or will they be counted double? We are not double-counting Logical Reasoning questions on ...
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Re: State of bankruptcy/restructuring hiring?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 5:01:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
I have restructuring lit and M&A experience. I am in M&A. Advice for me, a junior aiming to switch to BK/RS pls? How to sell myself? How can I leverage existing experience to that area - I honestly have little idea, a lot of RS seems quite financy. I will soon be out of a job and M&A is dead. :shock: Anon bk associate again. To poster above you, would be surprised KE is giving lateral bonuses. Re...
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 4:55:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
How is it that firms earning over billion dollars are cutting pay and firms earning notably less are not making cuts? Please explain. Not sure whether you are trolling there. Total revenue without accounting for headcount is meaningless as an indicator of financial health. A 1-lawyer firm bringing $10m in revenue is more financially resilient than a 10-lawyer firm bringing $11m in revenue. Agreed...
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Nevada Supreme Court  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 4:36:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Has anyone heard back from the Nevada Supreme Court for 2020-2021 or for 2021-2022?
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Landya McCafferty, D.N.H.?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 4:30:59 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone have info on what the experience is like clerking in her chambers? Also approximate credentials of past clerks?
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Re: Taking the UBE but not seeking admission?  
  by: secondsemester   on: May 22, at 3:51:13 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone have more information on this?
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 3:46:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Question for OP and other agency attorneys: What are some things applicants have done historically to stand out when they’re not from a feeder firm or one with a lot of agency vets? Thank you. I don't want to hijack OP's thread--he/she is doing a great job and I agree with everything said--but I'm an anon from above who has some experience helping with hiring. The first two things that jump out a...
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Re: COVID-19 delayed employment start date impact on F-1 visa students on OPT  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 3:21:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
I know a current clerk (on OPT, transitioning to H1-B) in the same position and the firm she'll be starting with is delaying the incoming class but making an exception for her because of visa concerns. KE may very well do the same! this gives me so much peace! thank you for sharing! do you mind sharing what law firm? or at least if its v1-10? 11-20? 21-30? feel free to keep it undisclosed if you'...
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Sackboy   on: May 22, at 3:09:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. I have an interview with Kutak Rock in Omaha scheduled and I was asked about salary requirements ahead of the call. What would a fair junior/midlevel salary be? I see that some firms are probably 120k-130k in the market, but that seems high for a firm with a PPP of $450k and an RPL of $495k. Any thoughts? Those finances sound about right. These reputable firms need to offer high enough b...
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Los Angeles Law Firms - Car home policy? Also, where do people usually live?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:45:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anonymous because of some potentially identifying characteristics. I've been practicing at a New York big law firm for the last 4 years, but have a few interviews set up for LA firms. Standard practice for NY firms if that if I expect to stay past 8 p.m., I can expense a cab/car ride to the firm. Is that still a thing in LA, where most everyone drives to work? Would I be able to cab home on the fi...
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Re: Capital Markets vs. M&A  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:28:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
Think you have to do what YOU enjoy the most. Cap markets is generally more technical which appeals more to a small niche of people. Having said that, you need to get realistic. This is a recession, probably will be around for a while. Neither area is great. M&A has better exits, so if you get canned there are plenty of corporates you can join. So all things being equal and preference being the sa...
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Re: 2020 ED transfer to Chicago?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:24:46 pm   in: Transfers
Invite was by email and interview is Tuesday.
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:22:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
even elite associates wouldn't prefer this, at least from the start of their careers imo why? because risk aversion. why would you risk getting paid way less? no one knows how well they will do in biglaw until they've actually spent a few years in biglaw. your personal life could change in unexpected ways. the mental/physical toll of the job could end up being too much and you need to leave to pro...
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Re: State of bankruptcy/restructuring hiring?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:21:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
You have worked on bankruptcy and done finance. You want to do 100% bankruptcy.
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Re: State of bankruptcy/restructuring hiring?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:08:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
I have restructuring lit and M&A experience. I am in M&A. Advice for me, a junior aiming to switch to BK/RS pls? How to sell myself? How can I leverage existing experience to that area - I honestly have little idea, a lot of RS seems quite financy. I will soon be out of a job and M&A is dead. :shock:
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Re: July 2020 MD Bar Exam - postponed or no?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 2:08:17 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Did Maryland finally decide if they are going to hold the bar exam in July? Or have they decided to push it back to September? Apparently they have delayed the announcement until Tuesday, May 26th :roll: Where did you find this info? UB and UMB sent emails to their students. https://www.reddit.com/r/barexam/comments/gorz5a/the_decision_for_marylands_bar_exam_has_been/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bar...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: PMan99   on: May 22, at 2:08:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think that there should be a system where some machine who bills 2700 hours, produces good work,and likely makes personal sacrifices on my deal, gets paid significantly more than the 1600 hours associate. The incentive component is too small, and the high guaranteed salary fucks incentives around, especially when firms aren't pulling in 3b in revenue or whatever ungodly number Kirkland and Lath...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 1:47:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
What's your actual thesis here, bootlicker? Do you think you're the first person to suggest that Biglaw could treat its employees worse and still have a waiting list? I'm guessing the same is true of your job. No-offers wreck someone's chance of ever getting back into Biglaw. Layoffs are not quite as deleterious but, when they happen at a junior level, indebted associates often can't afford them....
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: ughbugchugplug   on: May 22, at 1:45:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
This is a fight for resources. Find another profession if you want to lick boots. We should take the high salary and expect no layoffs. Let them take that from our cold dead hands
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 1:31:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here. I have an interview with Kutak Rock in Omaha scheduled and I was asked about salary requirements ahead of the call. What would a fair junior/midlevel salary be? I see that some firms are probably 120k-130k in the market, but that seems high for a firm with a PPP of $450k and an RPL of $495k. Any thoughts?
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Re: July 2020 MD Bar Exam - postponed or no?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 1:20:41 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427512 time=1590183073 user_id=45852]
[quote=plaiseadieu post_id=10427507 time=1590181362 user_id=89198]
Did Maryland finally decide if they are going to hold the bar exam in July? Or have they decided to push it back to September?
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Apparently they have delayed the announcement until Tuesday, May 26th :roll:
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Where did you find this info?
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Re: Why do recruiters suck so much?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 1:15:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP here.



I’ve spoken to recruiters, they’ve commented on my resume, and have ghosted me. I get that the market is slow, but how about you at least respond to e-mails.
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Re: Below average international/175 LSAT  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 22, at 12:54:11 pm   in: What are my chances?
You can probably get a T1 with 175/BA (in fact that's a rather desirable stat line for some schools) but I don't see how an American J.D., which is terrifically expensive, would further your career goals enough to be worth it. Do you have a concrete, specific career goal in mind? The best way to get into cybersecurity/cyberlaw is probably to get really good at the "cyber" part: IT certifications f...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by:   on: May 22, at 12:50:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think that there should be a system where some machine who bills 2700 hours, produces good work,and likely makes personal sacrifices on my deal, gets paid significantly more than the 1600 hours associate. The incentive component is too small, and the high guaranteed salary fucks incentives around, especially when firms aren't pulling in 3b in revenue or whatever ungodly number Kirkland and Lath...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: bluedolphin   on: May 22, at 12:46:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
What clients are refusing to hire V20 firms because they have some 3rd and 4th years who are doing mediocre work just to survive to the next January? That doesn’t seem like a problem that actually exists in need of a solution. Not sure how or why that's relevant, particularly given the relatively limited universe of firms that can reasonably serve large corporate clients. Clients would surely pre...
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Re: 2020 September California Bar Exam  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 12:43:04 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I don’t know. I’m an attorney applicant and I much prefer everything on paper than on the computer. I feel as if I’m going to do worse with the test administered online than on paper. With paper, I can highlight and write notes on the margins at the same time. I can also do a mini outline in my head as I’m highlighting and writing notes. I’m sure you can do it online too, but I feel it’s not as e...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: bluedolphin   on: May 22, at 12:32:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
The people who are being staffed/sticking their hands up, aren't the ones who get laid off in the Houston office if layoffs were too happen. Layoffs always have some sort of performance component to them unless there is an axing of an entire practice group/office. No harm no foul if you get paid a normal wage, and staff should never be laid off here. But at biglaw comp levels, I just see alot of ...
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Re: Why do recruiters suck so much?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 12:27:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
Lmao I know. I’ve been having some preliminary convos with recruiters, some of which have been helpful, most of which have been geared towards the longer-term. One mentions they were reaching out about a position at one of the few firms I would consider leaving my firm for. I happen to have a friend whose parent is a partner at this firm, they check and are like “nope, they are absolutely not hiri...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: bluedolphin   on: May 22, at 12:18:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
What's your actual thesis here, bootlicker? Do you think you're the first person to suggest that Biglaw could treat its employees worse and still have a waiting list? I'm guessing the same is true of your job. No-offers wreck someone's chance of ever getting back into Biglaw. Layoffs are not quite as deleterious but, when they happen at a junior level, indebted associates often can't afford them....
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Re: Why do recruiters suck so much?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 12:16:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
I agree with you. I was recently let go from V10 and recruiters have been reaching out. 5 recruiters have ghosted me in the last month. One of them finally confessed that they are just hoarding resumes until they get opportunities. It has gotten to a point where recruiters for engineers are reaching out to me via LinkedIn just to "talk" about legal opportunities that have at top law firms lol. I ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by:   on: May 22, at 12:10:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
You're just all over the place, dude. I think this is the most accurate statement in this entire thread. I guess the thesis has morphed into firms could pay more if they no-offered and laid people off. The answer is that they do. If you suck, you're out. I doubt firing someone on no notice would save an appreciable sum of money that would offset the recruiting disadvantage it would case; I highly...
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Re: C&F Question - Potential Plagiarism Issue  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 22, at 11:49:53 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You disclose it with a [u]brief[/u] statement of what happened and explaining what you learned from the incident. It is unlikely to be a serious concern for you, especially given the statement from your school that they would specifically indicate that it was both unintentional and minor.
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C&F Question - Potential Plagiarism Issue  
  by: vmp12345   on: May 22, at 11:41:12 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I’ll try to keep this short and brief. In my final semester of undergrad, I was warned by a professor for not including proper citations in an outline. This was NOT a formal paper, but rather an outline to a presentation containing material that I would use for a class discussion / presentation. I recently contacted my school to see if they had a record of the incident. I attached their response b...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Monochromatic Oeuvre   on: May 22, at 11:35:43 am   in: Legal Employment
What's your actual thesis here, bootlicker? Do you think you're the first person to suggest that Biglaw could treat its employees worse and still have a waiting list? I'm guessing the same is true of your job. No-offers wreck someone's chance of ever getting back into Biglaw. Layoffs are not quite as deleterious but, when they happen at a junior level, indebted associates often can't afford them....
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Re: July 2020 MD Bar Exam - postponed or no?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 11:31:13 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
[quote=plaiseadieu post_id=10427507 time=1590181362 user_id=89198]
Did Maryland finally decide if they are going to hold the bar exam in July? Or have they decided to push it back to September?
[/quote]

Apparently they have delayed the announcement until Tuesday, May 26th :roll:
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Re: State of bankruptcy/restructuring hiring?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 22, at 11:28:23 am   in: Legal Employment
I am not sure that taking the sign up bonus for a place like Weil or Kirkland is worth it.



I know Weil laid off associates after Westinghouse ended. Sure they will do so after this big rush. Plus I really don’t want to work 300 hours a month.
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: texanslimjim   on: May 22, at 11:19:10 am   in: Legal Employment
What clients are refusing to hire V20 firms because they have some 3rd and 4th years who are doing mediocre work just to survive to the next January? That doesn’t seem like a problem that actually exists in need of a solution. Not sure how or why that's relevant, particularly given the relatively limited universe of firms that can reasonably serve large corporate clients. Clients would surely pre...
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Re: debilitating OCD throughout undergrad, will finish in 6 years with reduced course load  
  by: dabigchina   on: May 22, at 11:11:29 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It's been a while, but doesn't the LSAC treat punitive W's as 0 (like they are counted as Fs)? If your Ws are punitive, you need to write an addendum to explain them. Study up on LSAC GPA rules and calculate your GPA with that in mind. .
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Re: Tracking COVID-19's effect on V100 associate pay/layoffs  
  by: wisdom   on: May 22, at 11:05:11 am   in: Legal Employment
Just when you thought there'd be no more news this week:



https://abovethelaw.com/2020/05/announcing-salary-cuts-the-friday-afternoon-before-a-3-day-weekend-leads-to-some-angry-associates/



Troutman Sanders, Vault No. 91, 20% pay cut going forward
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July 2020 MD Bar Exam - postponed or no?  
  by: plaiseadieu   on: May 22, at 11:02:42 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Did Maryland finally decide if they are going to hold the bar exam in July? Or have they decided to push it back to September?
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Re: Prediction: When will NYC lawyers return to the office?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 11:01:01 am   in: Legal Employment
My NY firm said September.
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Re: Prediction: When will NYC lawyers return to the office?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 10:57:52 am   in: Legal Employment
Our firm said today that it would be at least a few months -- perhaps many -- before offices reopened.
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Re: Prediction: When will NYC lawyers return to the office?  
  by: jarofsoup   on: May 22, at 10:55:26 am   in: Legal Employment
My firm has not stated a position but basically they said it won’t fully open until there is an effective treatment or vaccine. They have said that when it is opened more remote work is encouraged.
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Lesion of Doom   on: May 22, at 10:55:07 am   in: Legal Employment
The people who are being staffed/sticking their hands up, aren't the ones who get laid off in the Houston office if layoffs were too happen. Layoffs always have some sort of performance component to them unless there is an axing of an entire practice group/office. No harm no foul if you get paid a normal wage, and staff should never be laid off here. But at biglaw comp levels, I just see alot of ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: ghostoftraynor   on: May 22, at 10:46:53 am   in: Legal Employment
People who perform should get more, people who coast/should have been no offered/people hate working with, shouldn't be getting the same or 5% less because they didn't get the 10k part of the bonus. The latter group of people get fired at most firms (along with others who don't hit their metrics for whatever reason). The entire thread is premised on the idea that shitty associates are floating ar...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 10:39:13 am   in: Legal Employment
What clients are refusing to hire V20 firms because they have some 3rd and 4th years who are doing mediocre work just to survive to the next January? That doesn’t seem like a problem that actually exists in need of a solution. Not sure how or why that's relevant, particularly given the relatively limited universe of firms that can reasonably serve large corporate clients. Clients would surely pre...
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Re: State of bankruptcy/restructuring hiring?  
  by: decimalsanddollars   on: May 22, at 10:38:55 am   in: Legal Employment
I think the "top shops, not DLA" is kinda the opposite of what's actually going on. Most firms that can hire right now are trying to beef up their just-okay bk/restr practices, rather than the big debtor shops adding bodies (as anon K&E indicated). I'd be looking one notch below the top for hot hiring right now.
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Re: 3 Months and Nothing But LSAT—Help Me Make a Study Plan!  
  by: Vishkvishnuai   on: May 22, at 10:38:50 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am following a similar 3 month plan! Here is some of my own research I will share in a preparation plan: Piggybacking from IntellectualMode, before doing anything take some time to set up a Khan Academy account, directly supported from LSAC, and take an LSAT test to see where you need to be dedicating time to. If you understand RC more than LG, then you realize you need to spend more time...
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Re: State of bankruptcy/restructuring hiring?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 10:30:27 am   in: Legal Employment
Anon Kirkland bk associate.



We've been insanely busy, but we haven't added any associates during this time. I wouldn't know if there are hires in the works, but don't think we will add significantly. We've been steadily growing our group the past several years already, and they've been staffing cases with a lot of corporate associates.
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 10:21:39 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10427423 time=1590159797 user_id=45852]Bump again, what offices/groups?[/quote]

At least one of the TX offices, junior/mid-level-ish range of seniority, corporate.
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Re: Circuit Clerkship Writing Sample  
  by: mjb447   on: May 22, at 10:14:04 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
It was shocking to me how many times we'd get applications where the W/S was clearly just a brief or set of motion papers exactly as they had been filed in court, even though the audience and purpose for a writing sample are very different. It usually didn't end well for the applicant. We once interviewed an applicant who submitted a pretty good writing sample, with the exception of one section t...
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Re: Stealth Layoff Tracker (COVID-19 2020)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 10:11:49 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10426926 time=1589817615 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10426915 time=1589814060 user_id=45852]
Anon for obvious reasons.



Heard from a couple of folks who work there that Baker Botts is stealth-ing associates.
[/quote]

Any particular groups/offices?
[/quote]
Any more info on this?
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Re: 2020 ED transfer to Chicago?  
  by: bigbeau   on: May 22, at 10:02:27 am   in: Transfers
When is your interview scheduled? And did they reach out by phone or email? Good luck on your interview!
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by:   on: May 22, at 9:56:46 am   in: Legal Employment
What clients are refusing to hire V20 firms because they have some 3rd and 4th years who are doing mediocre work just to survive to the next January? That doesn’t seem like a problem that actually exists in need of a solution.
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Re: debilitating OCD throughout undergrad, will finish in 6 years with reduced course load  
  by: logan3000   on: May 22, at 9:55:40 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
honestly this seems big enough that I’d write about it in your personal statement, especially if it led you to law in some way.



but I can’t imagine it’d hurt you all that much if you keep that GPA, and could potentially help in a way if you have a strong PS/addendum combo.
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Re: Circuit Clerkship Writing Sample  
  by: Quichelorraine   on: May 22, at 9:48:35 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
It was shocking to me how many times we'd get applications where the W/S was clearly just a brief or set of motion papers exactly as they had been filed in court, even though the audience and purpose for a writing sample are very different. It usually didn't end well for the applicant. We once interviewed an applicant who submitted a pretty good writing sample, with the exception of one section t...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: galba   on: May 22, at 9:45:30 am   in: Legal Employment
From a client perspective, seems eminently reasonable to express a preference for a comp structure that rewards good performers and penalizes bad more than the current system. Likewise it seems eminently reasonable that risk-averse lawyers might prefer a comp structure with less variability. Think OP's framing of "should" really misses the point here. (I do find it amusing that some people in this...
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Re: Circuit Clerkship Writing Sample  
  by: Quichelorraine   on: May 22, at 9:44:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Yeah, I meant stuff like when you're omitting or condensing certain sections to pare down the length of the writing sample. You're the master of what the final looks like, but if you want to submit a portion of a longer piece it's helpful to very clearly signal what's been changed where so the reader has a picture of what the complete piece looks like. My bad. I completely misunderstood what you ...
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Re: Circuit Clerkship Writing Sample  
  by: mjb447   on: May 22, at 9:44:08 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Your writing sample should have a cover letter that explains what it is and what (if any) edits you have made to the final product to make it into a writing sample. If it's an edit of something publicly available--"this is something I filed as part of a clinic"--then sure, but otherwise, I'm not sure this is necessary? If you'd like to submit a 1L legal writing assignment as your sample, but you ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: bluedolphin   on: May 22, at 9:40:48 am   in: Legal Employment
I don't see the connection between the Kirkland email and the OP - OP is talking about who should bear the risk when work dries up, employees or owners (it is always ends up being the employees). The Kirkland email isn't about work drying up, it seems to be about partners having trouble getting associates to work on projects even though everyone's utilization is shit. I agree with Kirkland but no...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: texanslimjim   on: May 22, at 9:35:45 am   in: Legal Employment
I am not talking about lower variable compensation though. I think alot of my counterparts at firms should actually be paid significantly higher than what they make now. They run IBD associate hours but make anywhere from 20-30% less depending on bank, and the work isn't harder at IBD. ROI is there if that provides incentives for the average collectables to go up by 50 or so hours. My issue with ...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 9:34:13 am   in: Public Interest & Government
For 212th JAOBC people, have you gotten the second email for e-QIP yet?
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: hdr   on: May 22, at 9:29:04 am   in: Legal Employment
People who perform should get more, people who coast/should have been no offered/people hate working with, shouldn't be getting the same or 5% less because they didn't get the 10k part of the bonus. The latter group of people get fired at most firms (along with others who don't hit their metrics for whatever reason). The entire thread is premised on the idea that shitty associates are floating ar...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: JusticeSquee   on: May 22, at 9:20:35 am   in: Legal Employment
I don't see the connection between the Kirkland email and the OP - OP is talking about who should bear the risk when work dries up, employees or owners (it is always ends up being the employees). The Kirkland email isn't about work drying up, it seems to be about partners having trouble getting associates to work on projects even though everyone's utilization is shit. I agree with Kirkland but not...
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Re: Circuit Clerkship Writing Sample  
  by: texanslimjim   on: May 22, at 9:20:04 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Your writing sample should have a cover letter that explains what it is and what (if any) edits you have made to the final product to make it into a writing sample. If it's an edit of something publicly available--"this is something I filed as part of a clinic"--then sure, but otherwise, I'm not sure this is necessary? If you'd like to submit a 1L legal writing assignment as your sample, but you ...
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Re: Change my mind: Layoffs and no-offers should happen in biglaw  
  by: PMan99   on: May 22, at 9:17:56 am   in: Legal Employment
People who perform should get more, people who coast/should have been no offered/people hate working with, shouldn't be getting the same or 5% less because they didn't get the 10k part of the bonus. The latter group of people get fired at most firms (along with others who don't hit their metrics for whatever reason). The entire thread is premised on the idea that shitty associates are floating ar...
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Re: Midwest Salary Data Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 22, at 9:17:34 am   in: Legal Employment
Thank you both. I’m an early midlevel (3rd/4th year). From what was said, outside of the few outliers, I am assuming I should state that I am looking for around $110k-140k in Des Moines/Omaha, and probably closer to $150k-160k in places like Minneapolis and Milwaukee. Can either of you, or anyone else, talk more about the general hours requirements at some of the firms? Faegre, Dorsey & Whitney, ...
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