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Re: Things to do when lateraling  
  by: NewSouthernAssociate   on: May 6, at 6:10:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you’re in litigation, create a list of your case names/numbers/jurisdictions so that you can easily look up motions to use as samples if you encounter similar issues at your new firm.
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Experiences helpful for Biglaw for public interest-leaning student  
  by: yoon402   on: May 6, at 5:57:00 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Hello TLS! 8) I’m an incoming law student with public interest background, and very little experience in the corporate world. However, for personal reasons, my goal is to land a Biglaw associate job. Before school starts this fall, or evening during school, are there any knowledge or certifications I can get in corporate law to make myself more competitive? :o I understand grades are most importan...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 5:51:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone else feel like their experience at JD hasn't been all that bad? I'm in a market-paying city and received a lateral offer to a more highly regarded firm in the same city. Compensation would obviously be much higher due to bonuses, but I feel like I have a surprisingly manageable work-life balance at JD that arguably makes the lower compensation worth it. Does anyone else feel like the ...
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Re: Chicago firm hierarchy  
  by: Sangamon   on: May 6, at 5:27:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
[u]Corporate[/u]

1. Kirkland

**big gap**

2. Sidley/Latham

4. Skadden/Winston

**gap**

6. McDermott/Katten/Greenberg

9. Mayer Brown/Jones Day



[u]Litigation[/u]

1.Bartlit Beck

**big gap**

2. Kirkland/Sidley/Jenner

5. Winston/Mayer Brown/Jones Day

8. Eimer Stahl/Riley Safer
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 5:21:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
Shearman's bios are arguably the worst. That was something I never liked when I was there. The backgound and the photos don't mesh well, and the positioning of the photos at the bottom is ugly too.
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 5:20:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
I have received 0 communication since march from my v60 That’s odd. Have you reached out to a recruiting/HR contact to see what’s up? I’m in a satalite office, so I’ve been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I plan on sending an email tomorrow AM. Starting to get frustrating but I have all the pertinent details of dates etc so I don’t want to come off as too pushy yet. Wait, if you've got ...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 5:07:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
Imagine grinding away your life for years and years only to have your name immortalized on TLS as a top asshole among an industry of assholes. Idk how these people don't have enormous regrets about how they've gone about their lives. A lot of them do. I had to network heavily 3L yr for a job, so I had a lot of lunches/dinners. So many partners told me about how selfish they were in chasing their ...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 5:06:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=UnfrozenCaveman post_id=10474578 time=1620317777 user_id=111293]
Do you mean the firm will let you work anywhere but you have to travel to your "home office" sometimes?
[/quote]
Yes exactly, I would need to travel once a quarter or so and for certain events but can otherwise work from wherever.
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 4:26:04 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm currently a first year at a v25 in lit. To me it makes sense to soak up as much experience as I can and then clerk starting in Fall 2023. I'm just not sure if I'm qualified? My t14 1L grades were median and I graduated just over a 3.5—though I took doctrinals courses every semester instead of cushioning with a bunch of basket weaving law seminars. Am I totally out of the running for a Federal...
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 3:57:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
I love the Kramer Levin and Alston & Bird websites. Cravath finally updating their website was a great idea. White & Case's website is a bit gauche since they're obviously trying too hard. Kasowitz would be gauche, too, if it didn't seem like they were going for a DUI defense firm vibe on purpose. I actually liked the white case one, I just think it looks international for some reason and really ...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 3:54:51 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474630 time=1620346478 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10466742 time=1615932421 user_id=45852]
Deb Festa at Milbank LA's alternative investments group is a well known must-avoid. Juniors have quit ASAP and it's known that incoming first years will frantically search for another job if they get placed in her group.
[/quote]

WOW - that's wild. She interviewed me at OCI and I thought she was the coolest person ever. Very chill and calm
[/quote]

she just lateraled to Akin Gump
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 3:31:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
Imagine grinding away your life for years and years only to have your name immortalized on TLS as a top asshole among an industry of assholes. Idk how these people don't have enormous regrets about how they've gone about their lives. A lot of them do. I had to network heavily 3L yr for a job, so I had a lot of lunches/dinners. So many partners told me about how selfish they were in chasing their ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309248

Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 3:21:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
I love the Kramer Levin and Alston & Bird websites.



Cravath finally updating their website was a great idea.



White & Case's website is a bit gauche since they're obviously trying too hard.



Kasowitz would be gauche, too, if it didn't seem like they were going for a DUI defense firm vibe on purpose.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=308759

Re: Things to do when lateraling  
  by: Lacepiece23   on: May 6, at 3:18:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’d immediately book a vacation to a tropical place and start at my new firm only after vacation is over. Blow money on this. Like 5k. It will set you back a month biglaw salary wise but you’ll make fantastic memories and never have more fun.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309815

Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 3:03:51 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
2. No, drilling doesn't get you closer to O3. You don't start your clock towards O3 until you finish JAOBC. Not quite. Reservist/NG JAs are eligible for promotion to O3 one year after their Commission date, BUT you have to have completed JAOBC and DCC to be promoted. So having a lot of time drilling (or just being in limbo post-Commission) before DCC/JAOBC is still beneficial, because it means yo...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 2:53:06 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
For those who accepted pro-recs from the Navy, have you been assigned a recruiter yet?
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Hi-So - ArshavinFan   on: May 6, at 2:51:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
Imagine grinding away your life for years and years only to have your name immortalized on TLS as a top asshole among an industry of assholes. Idk how these people don't have enormous regrets about how they've gone about their lives. A lot of them do. I had to network heavily 3L yr for a job, so I had a lot of lunches/dinners. So many partners told me about how selfish they were in chasing their ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309248

Re: Let's talk 11th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 2:39:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
https://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201913694.pdf As a practitioner, it annoys me to no end when judges hijack appeals to do some strutting, especially because the standard reaction is to go on and on about how brilliant and insightful it is. Save your longform musing about the history and purpose of standing doctrine, filled with citations to your prior concurring opinions, for la...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=205160

Re: Best and Worst Courthouse (buildings)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 2:19:31 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474615 time=1620334976 user_id=45852]
anyone have insight on the parking situation at the courthouse in dallas for clerks?
[/quote]

Any insight on parking at Schwartz courthouse in San Diego?
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 2:14:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10466742 time=1615932421 user_id=45852]
Deb Festa at Milbank LA's alternative investments group is a well known must-avoid. Juniors have quit ASAP and it's known that incoming first years will frantically search for another job if they get placed in her group.
[/quote]

WOW - that's wild. She interviewed me at OCI and I thought she was the coolest person ever. Very chill and calm
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309248

Re: Let's talk 11th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 2:12:52 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
https://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/201913694.pdf As a practitioner, it annoys me to no end when judges hijack appeals to do some strutting, especially because the standard reaction is to go on and on about how brilliant and insightful it is. Save your longform musing about the history and purpose of standing doctrine, filled with citations to your prior concurring opinions, for law...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=205160

Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: clerk2020   on: May 6, at 1:42:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thoughts on the best Brooklyn neighborhoods for ease of commute to bryant park-ish area while also getting more bang for your buck in terms of rent price/space? Not saying I need a luxury building or more than a one bedroom or anything but in unit laundry sounds nice.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309141

Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 1:28:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=tlsguy2020 post_id=10474536 time=1620258583 user_id=225194]
Did anyone ever work with the Wilkie chair that went to jail for the college admissions scandal?
[/quote]

I heard he was a massive douche and everyone who worked under him at Willkie was happy that he was gone.
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: elephant210   on: May 6, at 1:11:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
I took the patent bar during spring of my 3L year and I have no regrets about that timing - by then you are basically waiting for law school to be over, so I used that time to study for the patent bar (I took it right before spring break, so early enough in the semester to give myself a bit of a break before studying for the bar ramped up). When I started at my firm, I hit the ground running so i...
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Re: A Few Questions Regarding Future Law School Path  
  by: crazywafflez   on: May 6, at 1:01:18 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'll just echo what has been said here: Your undergrad won't really matter, all of the schools you've listed are stellar and totally fine. Go to the cheapest option that gives you the best chance to do well at things you enjoy. I'd say you should consider doing the military right after UG and joining as an officer and once you finish they'll pay for law school. Or, if you don't, feel free to just ...
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: whats an updog   on: May 6, at 12:53:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
I may be in the minority here, but this is in such poor taste. OP, why not just go on websites of firms under the v10 and email randos? this is a lot more efficient, meaning a lot more people will see this compared to the effort Do people have that much trust of a random stranger? Even if it's more efficient, seems suspect. I wouldn't email a stranger on TLS (or any other website), let them know ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309812

Re: Chicago firm hierarchy  
  by: Law Sauce   on: May 6, at 12:40:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474376 time=1620143723 user_id=45852]


My ranking of the Chicago firms would be:



TIER 1 - Kirkland, Skadden, Latham



TIER 2 - Sidley, Mayer Brown, Katten, Winston



TIER 3 - Jenner, McDermitt



TIER ? - Schiff Hardin, others


[/quote]

Little fuller/better list above for transactional although a few of these firms have strong niche transactional practices in certain areas.
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Re: Best and Worst Courthouse (buildings)  
  by: Contango   on: May 6, at 12:05:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
anyone have insight on the parking situation at the courthouse in dallas for clerks? I'll be clerking in Dallas this coming year. Parking at the courthouse is quite limited. I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain that clerks don't get free parking in the little lot behind the building. There are garages nearby where you can get a spot for a monthly rate, typically an exorbitant one. I'm plannin...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 11:47:16 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10470097 time=1617344342 user_id=45852]
Any partners at Latham NY, other than the Banking/Finance group? I know that group is a bit of a notorious meat grinder but it's mostly filled with direct hires unlike other groups. Particularly interested in hearing about partners and even senior associates in M&A and Capital Markets so I know who to avoid :)
[/quote]

also interested in this, what about the general M&A/PE group and CM group? NY office
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Re: AUSA/USAO hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 11:41:38 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Does anyone have any general info on the hiring practices/timelines in ND Illinois? How soon after the "additional information" deadline does the office typically start interviewing?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=271001

Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 11:27:20 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474605 time=1620330731 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474592 time=1620324059 user_id=45852]
I have received 0 communication since march from my v60
[/quote]

That’s odd. Have you reached out to a recruiting/HR contact to see what’s up?
[/quote]

I’m in a satalite office, so I’ve been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I plan on sending an email tomorrow AM. Starting to get frustrating but I have all the pertinent details of dates etc so I don’t want to come off as too pushy yet.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309588

Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: NoLongerALurker   on: May 6, at 11:24:47 am   in: Legal Employment
You can get a Chelsea or UWS sort of vibe in any major city on earth.



There's only one where it feels like the west village.
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Re: Likelihood of IP Biglaw? (Top Engineering undergrad and T13)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 11:18:22 am   in: Legal Employment
Apart from the kind of odd "can I just coast?" attitude, starting with an ME from one of those schools (weird list honestly - not sure I'd equate those three but whatever) is not a bad place to be. That said, there are some other factors that will change how firms look at you: 1) Did you do any internships in undergrad? Working at a prestigious company would be a big plus if you are going straight...
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Re: Things to do when lateraling  
  by: lawlo   on: May 6, at 11:10:33 am   in: Legal Employment
Update to personal email and passwords for any newsletters or logins for non-firm paid websites that come to your firm email, bookmarks of websites (if that's something you do), reviews and other personal materials, paystubs from your HR software (in case you're paranoid about recordkeeping like me), save your non-client contacts and notify others (e.g., alumni association board), etc. If you hav...
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Re: Best and Worst Courthouse (buildings)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 11:02:56 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
anyone have insight on the parking situation at the courthouse in dallas for clerks?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=309713

Re: Chicago firm hierarchy  
  by: Buglaw   on: May 6, at 10:57:14 am   in: Legal Employment
Any thoughts on the hierarchy for corporate? My ranking of the Chicago firms would be: TIER 1 - Kirkland and Sidley TIER 2 - Mayer Brown, Jenner, Winston TIER 3 - Schiff Hardin Personally, I think Kirkland is on a tier to itself for corporate in Chicago. Then Sidley then the next tier of Mayer and Winston. Jenner is probably below them for corporate, it is such a lit focused firm. I'd put Katten ...
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Re: Bar Exam Toolbox Review  
  by: SilvermanBarPrep   on: May 6, at 10:47:22 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I suppose I don't speak her with a ton of knowledge but a lot of the California students that I work with for the MBE are working with the Toolbox on the essays and PTs. It's just been very good reviews from what I've heard over the years.



Sean (Silverman Bar Exam Tutoring)
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: 2013   on: May 6, at 10:37:39 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone else feel like their experience at JD hasn't been all that bad? I'm in a market-paying city and received a lateral offer to a more highly regarded firm in the same city. Compensation would obviously be much higher due to bonuses, but I feel like I have a surprisingly manageable work-life balance at JD that arguably makes the lower compensation worth it. Does anyone else feel like the ...
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Re: Chicago firm hierarchy  
  by: trebekismyhero   on: May 6, at 10:25:50 am   in: Legal Employment
Any thoughts on the hierarchy for corporate? My ranking of the Chicago firms would be: TIER 1 - Kirkland and Sidley TIER 2 - Mayer Brown, Jenner, Winston TIER 3 - Schiff Hardin Personally, I think Kirkland is on a tier to itself for corporate in Chicago. Then Sidley then the next tier of Mayer and Winston. Jenner is probably below them for corporate, it is such a lit focused firm. I'd put Katten ...
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: legalpotato   on: May 6, at 10:21:20 am   in: Legal Employment
I may be in the minority here, but this is in such poor taste. OP, why not just go on websites of firms under the v10 and email randos? this is a lot more efficient, meaning a lot more people will see this compared to the effort Do people have that much trust of a random stranger? Even if it's more efficient, seems suspect. I wouldn't email a stranger on TLS (or any other website), let them know ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309812

Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: hopeful2021transfer   on: May 6, at 10:16:31 am   in: Transfers
This is so frustrating.. I'm so sorry to future EA transfers if you have to deal with this nonsense and stress in the middle of finals
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 10:09:46 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone else feel like their experience at JD hasn't been all that bad? I'm in a market-paying city and received a lateral offer to a more highly regarded firm in the same city. Compensation would obviously be much higher due to bonuses, but I feel like I have a surprisingly manageable work-life balance at JD that arguably makes the lower compensation worth it. Does anyone else feel like the ...
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Re: A Few Questions Regarding Future Law School Path  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 6, at 9:56:52 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
As nixy mentioned, applying young is not a good thing. In addition to the less-than-great effect it will have on your job search, it's just a bad idea.



You're super-young. Way too young to be thinking seriously about law school. Finish undergrad; get a job (or join the marines, I guess); live a little; then come back to law school applications if you still want to be a lawyer.
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 9:54:34 am   in: Legal Employment
As someone who grew up on Long Island and has lived in Michigan during the winter and Hong Kong during the summer, walking in NYC weather will not be an issue lol Were you walking around Hong Kong summer in business formal? Did your part of Michigan have wind-tunnel effect from all the tall buildings around, and large mounds of dirty slush piled up on each street corner? I jest. It sounds like yo...
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 9:52:11 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474592 time=1620324059 user_id=45852]
I have received 0 communication since march from my v60
[/quote]

That’s odd. Have you reached out to a recruiting/HR contact to see what’s up?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309588

Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: existentialcrisis   on: May 6, at 9:38:58 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474586 time=1620321712 user_id=45852]
[quote=Prudent_Jurist post_id=10474505 time=1620241162 user_id=215957]
What do you think is worse: wearing gear with your firm’s logo, or wearing gear with your law school journal’s logo?
[/quote]

In my defense, my journal one semester randomly decided to get really high-quality quarter-zips that was aesthetically pleasing. :?
[/quote]

No defense. No matter the quality, you look like a square wearing it in all circumstances.
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Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 9:33:19 am   in: Transfers
Current 2021 GULC EA Transfer Updates with prior years dates too - copied from reddit 2021: Weds 4/28 some applicants got an email asking about summer plans & some status checkers updated to show a mailing was sent. Fri 4/30 STILL NO DECISIONS; everyone’s anxiety at all time highs. Tues 5/4 more emails inquiring on applicants summer jobs... As of today, Thursday May 6th there have been NO DECISIO...
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Re: SA Offer and Multiple Clerkships  
  by: abc12xq   on: May 6, at 9:24:25 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'll be an SA at a V5 firm in the northeast this summer, and I'm trying to figure out what happens if I get an offer but then want to clerk more than once. Is it standard for firms to hold the offer open for maybe 2 years while you clerk? Or are they usually only okay with giving you 1 year? And do you have to officially accept the offer 3L fall for them to keep it open, or can you not accept/dec...
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Re: A Few Questions Regarding Future Law School Path  
  by: nixy   on: May 6, at 9:20:39 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Just a brief answer: for law school admissions, where you attend UG is much less important than your grades in UG. Any of the schools you list are completely fine. Personally I would go with whichever best meets all your other requirements/interests, and especially whichever will cost you the least. Being really young isn’t an advantage for law school admissions. I get doing UG quickly to save mon...
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: TLSReturntoWork   on: May 6, at 8:52:56 am   in: Legal Employment
I may be in the minority here, but this is in such poor taste. OP, why not just go on websites of firms under the v10 and email randos? this is a lot more efficient, meaning a lot more people will see this compared to the effort Do people have that much trust of a random stranger? Even if it's more efficient, seems suspect. I wouldn't email a stranger on TLS (or any other website), let them know ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=309812

A Few Questions Regarding Future Law School Path  
  by: Lawschoolhopeful011   on: May 6, at 8:51:26 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
This post will be a bit all over the place since I have a lot of different questions, but I appreciate all those who take the time to help me out. Background around me: 19 years old White/Native American Graduated High School in May 2020 Attended local community college in Spring 2020, Summer 2020, Fall 2020, and Spring 2021 Completed 70 Semester Units with a 3.95. One B, the rest were A's Politic...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: TLSReturntoWork   on: May 6, at 8:48:57 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474554 time=1620268346 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10467899 time=1616544448 user_id=45852]
Who has the survival guide for S&C General Practice group?



Who is good to work for? Who to avoid, other than Dietderich?
[/quote]

second this
[/quote]

He actually looks like a nice guy or at least not intimidating in his firm photo. A survival guide for all of the V10 would be nice.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 8:46:55 am   in: Legal Employment
Has anyone heard back from the firms (NY) recently?
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Re: Student loan payments: get advice and actual numbers here  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 8:16:26 am   in: Legal Employment
$130,000 in cash. $20,000 in 401(k). $170,000 in federal loans (payments and interest deferred until October 2021). Should I put it all in GME and dogecoin? I'm somewhat serious. I'm pissed that I missed out on GME, and I don't think I should let that much cash sit around in a 0.000001% account. In a similar situation, but with $80k in 401(k) altogether. Leaving biglaw shortly to take a job with ...
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 8:13:59 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm currently a first year at a v25 in lit. To me it makes sense to soak up as much experience as I can and then clerk starting in Fall 2023. I'm just not sure if I'm qualified? My t14 1L grades were median and I graduated just over a 3.5—though I took doctrinals courses every semester instead of cushioning with a bunch of basket weaving law seminars. Am I totally out of the running for a Federal ...
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 8:00:59 am   in: Legal Employment
I have received 0 communication since march from my v60
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Re: SA Offer and Multiple Clerkships  
  by: nixy   on: May 6, at 7:57:31 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Whether you accept an offer or not often depends on the judge as well - some judges don't let their clerks to accept an offer until after they're done clerking, so you'd have to work that out on an case by case basis.
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:49:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Yes. I am a 6th year in a major market. My compensation does not match other firms when you take into account fall/summer/“special” bonuses but I have no desire to lateral because I think the firm and have a good QOL.
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:37:39 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Above-quoted anon. I can see the firm thing turning on seniority. I was still a mid-level coming out and I could see it being different if you'd be like a 9th/10th-year associate coming off a clerkship with a year of lost senior associate experience. If you switch, that's a tough spot for firms since they will want to see a few years of your work before deciding on promotion, and you're sort of al...
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:29:42 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
4-year-out anon above. I loved my clerkship and would do it again 100% of the time. I felt like I got a lot more out of it having practiced first. Unlike clerking straight out of law school, you'll have made some of the types of arguments that will come before you and your judge, and have more context to understand what works and doesn't. And especially if your pre-clerkship practice is at a big ...
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lateral before a clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:25:31 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi, I'm currently a 1st year litigation associate at a V20 with a clerkship lined up for fall 2022. I'm considering lateralling to a different firm for about a year before my clerkship starts, and was wondering if this is advisable, assuming that the offer is with a reputable firm.
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:21:52 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=Prudent_Jurist post_id=10474505 time=1620241162 user_id=215957]
What do you think is worse: wearing gear with your firm’s logo, or wearing gear with your law school journal’s logo?
[/quote]

In my defense, my journal one semester randomly decided to get really high-quality quarter-zips that was aesthetically pleasing. :?
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: wldecisions   on: May 6, at 7:17:54 am   in: Legal Employment
As someone who grew up on Long Island and has lived in Michigan during the winter and Hong Kong during the summer, walking in NYC weather will not be an issue lol Were you walking around Hong Kong summer in business formal? Did your part of Michigan have wind-tunnel effect from all the tall buildings around, and large mounds of dirty slush piled up on each street corner? I jest. It sounds like yo...
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Re: Let's talk in-house salaries  
  by: nealric   on: May 6, at 7:16:50 am   in: Legal Employment
What's the ceiling for all-in compensation at, say, a FAANG/Microsoft (excluding general counsel/chief legal officer roles)? Basically, what's the max you can make staying there for life without rising to C-suite/management? $500-700K range? Is seven figures possible? Since these are large companies, there'd be quite a gap between C-suite and lower-level management. For at least one of these comp...
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Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:15:41 am   in: Transfers
I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. I’m well above their typical transfer GPA from a T50 school, and I didn’t get either email but notified them of my summer plans prior to those too.



Only time will tell I guess…
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Re: SA Offer and Multiple Clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 7:14:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'll be an SA at a V5 firm in the northeast this summer, and I'm trying to figure out what happens if I get an offer but then want to clerk more than once. Is it standard for firms to hold the offer open for maybe 2 years while you clerk? Or are they usually only okay with giving you 1 year? And do you have to officially accept the offer 3L fall for them to keep it open, or can you not accept/dec...
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 6:45:12 am   in: Legal Employment
I strongly dislike Gibson's. Although it's got some modern design aspects (very big font, seemingly meant to be viewed on mobile), I don't love its search function, and it doesn't show pictures until you get to an attorney's actual page, which makes it very hard to figure out who that Gibson attorney you just met is. Similarly, Cravath literally doesn't have individual pages or images for its ass...
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Re: US or UK Undergrad degree better for Law School Admissions?  
  by: crazywafflez   on: May 6, at 6:40:33 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hello, My eventual career goal is to practice law in the USA. For undergrad degree I have the choice between CU Boulder and the University of Bristol. I am leaning towards Bristol due to the higher academic depth and rigor in my chosen subject of Philosophy. 1) Is the 3 year UK degree acceptable/welcomed when applying for law school? 2) Will the Bristol degree be seen as stronger than the CU Boul...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 6:20:19 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone else feel like their experience at JD hasn't been all that bad? I'm in a market-paying city and received a lateral offer to a more highly regarded firm in the same city. Compensation would obviously be much higher due to bonuses, but I feel like I have a surprisingly manageable work-life balance at JD that arguably makes the lower compensation worth it. Does anyone else feel like the w...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: UnfrozenCaveman   on: May 6, at 6:16:17 am   in: Legal Employment
Also a 6th year at JD. I'm a little confused by the situation--is your offer from a peer firm paying market in your same market? Or is it in another market? If it's in the same market, it's a little confusing because you said JD pays at top of market in your city. I ask all those things because if it's the case that you have a better-paying offer in your city, then it might be worth raising that ...
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: lolwutpar   on: May 6, at 5:53:02 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=notinbiglaw post_id=10474576 time=1620315930 user_id=182782]
[quote=Bosque post_id=10472008 time=1618424526 user_id=29100]
The best swag I've ever received from my firm are these little pieces of paper with presidents on them. While they are pretty by themselves, you can also exhange them for other stuff you want!
[/quote]

I strongly prefer pieces of paper with people who weren’t presidents. I’d be sad if I got paid in Washingtons.
[/quote]

That would be amazing. The sheer volume to take to the club.
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: notinbiglaw   on: May 6, at 5:45:30 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=Bosque post_id=10472008 time=1618424526 user_id=29100]
The best swag I've ever received from my firm are these little pieces of paper with presidents on them. While they are pretty by themselves, you can also exhange them for other stuff you want!
[/quote]

I strongly prefer pieces of paper with people who weren’t presidents. I’d be sad if I got paid in Washingtons.
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: mandrewsf   on: May 6, at 5:29:56 am   in: Choosing a Law School
This is somewhat a moot point because the OP is not relying on loans, but that has nothing to do with Michigan's LRAP being dependent on PSLF ( it absolutely is ). Under Michigan's program, if you are in an eligible PI job, Michigan will cover a certain amount of your IBR debt payments, depending on your income. But full participation in the program relies on the government forgiving the entire l...
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 5:29:37 am   in: Legal Employment
I took the patent bar during spring of my 3L year and I have no regrets about that timing - by then you are basically waiting for law school to be over, so I used that time to study for the patent bar (I took it right before spring break, so early enough in the semester to give myself a bit of a break before studying for the bar ramped up). When I started at my firm, I hit the ground running so i...
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: legalpotato   on: May 6, at 4:48:14 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=jotarokujo post_id=10474547 time=1620263787 user_id=185392]
[quote=legalpotato post_id=10474539 time=1620259304 user_id=175407]
I may be in the minority here, but this is in such poor taste.



OP, why not just go on websites of firms under the v10 and email randos?
[/quote]

this is a lot more efficient, meaning a lot more people will see this compared to the effort
[/quote]

Was being facetious
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Re: Let's talk in-house salaries  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 4:34:47 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474571 time=1620309548 user_id=45852]
Anyone know how common signing bonuses to match pro-rated year end bonus are? Eg BigLaw bonus will be $80k. I go in-house halfway through the year. In-house company offers $40k signing bonus.



Anyone seen that?
[/quote]

I moved in house in November and got the company to match my full year-end biglaw bonus with a signing bonus. Probably not the norm, but not impossible.
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Re: Let's talk in-house salaries  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 3:59:08 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone know how common signing bonuses to match pro-rated year end bonus are? Eg BigLaw bonus will be $80k. I go in-house halfway through the year. In-house company offers $40k signing bonus.



Anyone seen that?
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: TigerIsBack   on: May 6, at 3:45:47 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474566 time=1620298674 user_id=45852]
The V50 I’m at doubled it to 20 but def not 50. Didn’t realize there were quite a few doing that.
[/quote]

My prior firm (v30) was at $40k and we got a few emails a year reminding us of that during COVID.
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: nealric   on: May 6, at 3:37:08 am   in: Legal Employment
As someone who grew up on Long Island and has lived in Michigan during the winter and Hong Kong during the summer, walking in NYC weather will not be an issue lol Were you walking around Hong Kong summer in business formal? Did your part of Michigan have wind-tunnel effect from all the tall buildings around, and large mounds of dirty slush piled up on each street corner? I jest. It sounds like yo...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: mwells_56   on: May 6, at 3:36:05 am   in: Legal Employment
As someone who grew up on Long Island and has lived in Michigan during the winter and Hong Kong during the summer, walking in NYC weather will not be an issue lol Were you walking around Hong Kong summer in business formal? Did your part of Michigan have wind-tunnel effect from all the tall buildings around, and large mounds of dirty slush piled up on each street corner? I jest. It sounds like yo...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 2:51:12 am   in: Legal Employment
I think this is an easy question: would you rather stay at Jones Day or lateral to get more $? If the answer is the former, you may as well try and have them match (I’ve never heard of anyone trying this but it may have happened). If the answer is the latter, then just lateral to the other firm.
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 6, at 12:57:54 am   in: Legal Employment
The V50 I’m at doubled it to 20 but def not 50. Didn’t realize there were quite a few doing that.
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 6, at 12:35:49 am   in: Legal Employment
I'd assume corporate because litigation [i]prima facie[/i] has, [i]inter alia[/i], elements that (once the pandemic is over) will always require you to leave your [i]domus[/i]. Although we've been doing remote depositions, appearances, [i]et cetera[/i], that's always been understood to be temporary, not [i]ad infinitum[/i].



[i]Corpus delicti. E pluribus unum. Veni, vidi, vici.[/i]
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Re: US or UK Undergrad degree better for Law School Admissions?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 6, at 12:27:14 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
1) It's too early for you to be thinking about law school.



2) It's too early for you to be thinking about law school.



Do not make decisions about where to go to undergrad based on your plans for 3-4 years from now. Those plans are almost certainly going to change.
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 6, at 12:15:11 am   in: Choosing a Law School
This is inaccurate. Michigan's LRAP is not conditional on PSLF. You qualify as long as your position requires you to have a JD (excluding clerkships or law school funded positions). This is somewhat a moot point because the OP is not relying on loans, but that has nothing to do with Michigan's LRAP being dependent on PSLF ( it absolutely is ). Under Michigan's program, if you are in an eligible P...
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Re: Things to do when lateraling  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:56:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
Update to personal email and passwords for any newsletters or logins for non-firm paid websites that come to your firm email, bookmarks of websites (if that's something you do), reviews and other personal materials, paystubs from your HR software (in case you're paranoid about recordkeeping like me), save your non-client contacts and notify others (e.g., alumni association board), etc. If you have...
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:39:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
4-year-out anon above. I loved my clerkship and would do it again 100% of the time. I felt like I got a lot more out of it having practiced first. Unlike clerking straight out of law school, you'll have made some of the types of arguments that will come before you and your judge, and have more context to understand what works and doesn't. And especially if your pre-clerkship practice is at a big f...
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Things to do when lateraling  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:35:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
I will soon be lateraling and I want to know what things I should consider when making the move. For example, I know I need to find a way to ensure that my insurance is uninterrupted and that I will need to roll over my 401K to my new employer. What other things should I consider?
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:52:12 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I’m not OP, but I’ll also be clerking as a 6-9 year for a D. Ct. at a decent district (think NDCA/EDNY/SDNY). To those who commented above, would you say clerking was a valuable experience? If so, in what way? Obviously this was a consideration for me when I was applying; I decided to clerk because it was something I was personally interested in. But I’d love to hear from those who already finishe...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: mandrewsf   on: May 5, at 6:30:48 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
At Michigan, this could be financially ruinous if you spent any less than 10 years in public service. Michigan only offers PSLF-based LRAP, so you'd face amortizing interest during the public-service portion of your career (i.e. you'd be more in debt when you entered private practice). This is inaccurate. Michigan's LRAP is not conditional on PSLF. You qualify as long as your position requires yo...
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Re: NU (Sticker) vs Minnesota ($40K/yr)  
  by: mandrewsf   on: May 5, at 6:21:03 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
FWIW, it is great to hear that it worked out for you, OP :D . It sounded like you knew the risks involved and you had the guts to see your decision through, even though it was probably hard as nuts the whole way, because you believed in yourself but also because you felt that you had no choice. IMHO I don't think too many people are in your position - for most applicants, law is almost certainly n...
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Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: justtakingastab   on: May 5, at 5:21:15 pm   in: Transfers
Is it a bad sign if I never received an email asking about summer plans? I didn’t include it on my resume but I briefly disclosed my internship in my personal statement... heard some people were getting those emails even with their summer jobs disclosed on their resume.
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 4:49:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=Auxilio post_id=10474553 time=1620268122 user_id=128041]
[quote=ZVBXRPL post_id=10474538 time=1620259121 user_id=100263]
LOL at your attempt to get that fat recruiting bonus. I know of a form offering 50k per, so respect the hussle.
[/quote]

As far as I'm aware that's every firm (I know of at least 10 and none of which are less than 50k). Even Paul Hastings which is normally the cheapest fucking firm.
[/quote]

The V30 I’m at is way under $50k. :(
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 4:32:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10467899 time=1616544448 user_id=45852]
Who has the survival guide for S&C General Practice group?



Who is good to work for? Who to avoid, other than Dietderich?
[/quote]

second this
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: Auxilio   on: May 5, at 4:28:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=ZVBXRPL post_id=10474538 time=1620259121 user_id=100263]
LOL at your attempt to get that fat recruiting bonus. I know of a form offering 50k per, so respect the hussle.
[/quote]

As far as I'm aware that's every firm (I know of at least 10 and none of which are less than 50k). Even Paul Hastings which is normally the cheapest fucking firm.
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:40:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
Lol. I’d unironically rather wear one of the pictured sweatshirts that says “LOGO”, than a sweatshirt with my firm’s actual logo on it. Not to yuck your yum. What do you think is worse: wearing gear with your firm’s logo, or wearing gear with your law school journal’s logo? If you wear the firm logo from where you summered to law school, and the law review logo to the firm, I'd say its equally bad.
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: May 5, at 3:38:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474537 time=1620258925 user_id=45852]
At my firm, the transactional groups are much more relaxed than the litigation group. I am still WFH and doubt I’ll go in more than 3 days a week going forward. The litigators have been going in since March.
[/quote]

That’s terrible.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:33:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
Bad: WSGR's used to be so bad, which was shocking to me given their target clientele. Looks like they changed it in the last year or two though. Now it looks better but is kind of clunky. Forgot to hire a UX designer. Orrick's is kind of a mess.



Good: Gunderson, Nixon Peabody, Cleary.
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:27:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
As someone who grew up on Long Island and has lived in Michigan during the winter and Hong Kong during the summer, walking in NYC weather will not be an issue lol Were you walking around Hong Kong summer in business formal? Did your part of Michigan have wind-tunnel effect from all the tall buildings around, and large mounds of dirty slush piled up on each street corner? I jest. It sounds like yo...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:22:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
Also a 6th year at JD. I'm a little confused by the situation--is your offer from a peer firm paying market in your same market? Or is it in another market? If it's in the same market, it's a little confusing because you said JD pays at top of market in your city. I ask all those things because if it's the case that you have a better-paying offer in your city, then it might be worth raising that ...
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: jotarokujo   on: May 5, at 3:16:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=legalpotato post_id=10474539 time=1620259304 user_id=175407]
I may be in the minority here, but this is in such poor taste.



OP, why not just go on websites of firms under the v10 and email randos?
[/quote]

this is a lot more efficient, meaning a lot more people will see this compared to the effort
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: lolwutpar   on: May 5, at 3:13:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=2013 post_id=10474545 time=1620261704 user_id=108795]
Just say Kirkland. We all get the recruiter emails daily.
[/quote]

Meh, pretty much every firm is trying to hire like crazy. Attrition has been ridiculous this year.
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: 2013   on: May 5, at 2:41:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just say Kirkland. We all get the recruiter emails daily.
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Re: Ogletree Deakins Salary  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 2:39:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474371 time=1620142517 user_id=45852]
Hey could use an update on this for 2021. Thanks.
[/quote]

Larger markets range between 140-170 I believe.



There is a $10-15k bonus if you hit 1900 (not sure if this varies across offices). Hours-based bonus kicks in at 2000 (5% of base) and increases in increments of 50 hours up to 2200 hours (25% of base).
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 2:35:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Clerking after 4-6 years of practice for a USDC Judge. From big law. Not T-14, but Top 20. Not in top 1/3 (did horrible 1st semester, but Deans List on out; Moot Court; Journal). I recommend taking a temp clerk position and proving yourself, but obviously ask whether the temp clerk position could turn into a term clerkship before accepting an interview. Also, may want to think about clerking for m...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: mwells_56   on: May 5, at 2:29:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
Personally I would live in Chelsea, so that I could have a 15-20 minute walk to work and still have the option of the subway or Uber easily when the weather isn’t great. Plenty of nightlife in Chelsea too. Deciding between WV and Chelsea... any more insight on the pros/cons between the two? The housing stock in WV is old. Apartments there are cramped and small, but still hella expensive. By contr...
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 2:21:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
“Hi [associate], Thanks for keeping me in the loop on on this. As you know, I’m always happy to help out on [niche subject matter] matters, but unfortunately I don’t have the bandwidth to take on more of the general tasks that might be a better fit someone else on the team, especially given my billing rate and client sensitivity to more senior associates doing work that a more junior associate mig...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 2:11:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
Also a 6th year at JD. I'm a little confused by the situation--is your offer from a peer firm paying market in your same market? Or is it in another market? If it's in the same market, it's a little confusing because you said JD pays at top of market in your city. I ask all those things because if it's the case that you have a better-paying offer in your city, then it might be worth raising that w...
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: legalpotato   on: May 5, at 2:01:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
I may be in the minority here, but this is in such poor taste.



OP, why not just go on websites of firms under the v10 and email randos?
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Re: V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: ZVBXRPL   on: May 5, at 1:58:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
LOL at your attempt to get that fat recruiting bonus. I know of a form offering 50k per, so respect the hussle.
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 1:55:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
At my firm, the transactional groups are much more relaxed than the litigation group. I am still WFH and doubt I’ll go in more than 3 days a week going forward. The litigators have been going in since March.
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: tlsguy2020   on: May 5, at 1:49:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
Did anyone ever work with the Wilkie chair that went to jail for the college admissions scandal?
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US or UK Undergrad degree better for Law School Admissions?  
  by: pjulk   on: May 5, at 1:36:28 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hello, My eventual career goal is to practice law in the USA. For undergrad degree I have the choice between CU Boulder and the University of Bristol. I am leaning towards Bristol due to the higher academic depth and rigor in my chosen subject of Philosophy. 1) Is the 3 year UK degree acceptable/welcomed when applying for law school? 2) Will the Bristol degree be seen as stronger than the CU Bould...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 1:07:30 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’m a sixth year at Jones Day. It sounds like you are getting paid at the top of the market already so if you want to lateral to a market that pays more you should do that (and either leave JD or stay as you prefer).
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Re: Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 12:58:31 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. Based on what everyone said, I think it would be a good idea to at least apply. Returning to my home state would be nice, and also I would be getting appellate experience.
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 12:44:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’m a mid level in a secondary market. I do not make anywhere near the cravath scale but do get paid more than anywhere else in my city. The recruiters have been hitting us hard. If I have an offer from a peer firm paying market but would prefer to stay at JD, does anyone have any sense as to whether it would be beneficial to let JD know or is that shooting myself in the foot if I ultimately decid...
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 12:21:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=MrLions post_id=10474489 time=1620238174 user_id=165778]
"All else equal" -- better?
[/quote]

Yeah way better. The cringe level was through the roofs and I live on the 8th floor of a 50-story building.
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SA Offer and Multiple Clerkships  
  by: cambriabold   on: May 5, at 12:18:13 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'll be an SA at a V5 firm in the northeast this summer, and I'm trying to figure out what happens if I get an offer but then want to clerk more than once. Is it standard for firms to hold the offer open for maybe 2 years while you clerk? Or are they usually only okay with giving you 1 year? And do you have to officially accept the offer 3L fall for them to keep it open, or can you not accept/decl...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Dahl   on: May 5, at 12:14:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
The housing stock in WV is old. Apartments there are cramped and small, but still hella expensive. By contrast, Chelsea seems to have newer buildings and prices are generally easier to swallow. To me, Chelsea definitely lacks that WV charm (tree-lined cobblestone streets, European/bohemian vibes). Haven’t spent a ton of time in Chelsea, but it always feels a little bit dead and soulless; Chelsea’...
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V10 Hiring Juniors/Mid-Levels  
  by: DDD333   on: May 5, at 11:59:06 am   in: Legal Employment
I am a midlevel/junior at V10 and the firm is hiring for multiple positions in various offices. There is a lot of opportunity right now because we are so busy. Please DM for details.
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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions  
  by: allezallez21   on: May 5, at 11:47:14 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Anyone know when latin honors come out? Is it a graduation surprise? From looking back at this thread, it appears that honors are announced the same day that grades are released. Usually, that was the week before commencement, but posters seem to say that more recently that's been early the same week. So maybe Monday the 24th? Or hopefully the Thurs/Fri before that. One interesting bit of info I ...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: 12YrsAnAssociate   on: May 5, at 11:41:47 am   in: Legal Employment
I googled this Julie Park person people have commented about and she's not a partner. Looks like she was a senior associate until recently, and now she's counsel.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 11:01:12 am   in: Legal Employment
Has someone mentioned Kellogg Hansen? The firm is as top flight as it gets, but its website looks like it was made on Publisher. It sucks that law firms in general are trying to brand themselves into massive professional services firms and corporations, in structure and management style, and how that's being reflected in the design of their websites, trying to rebrand themselves as "cool" and "mo...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 5, at 10:45:01 am   in: Choosing a Law School
[quote=GSDMutt post_id=10474514 time=1620243508 user_id=225798]I just can't wrap my head around why they're so similar
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There's no mystery. They're similar schools in most of the ways that matter. Slightly less prestigious than Harvard or Yale and slightly more prestigious than Cornell or Georgetown.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 10:34:56 am   in: Legal Employment
Best: Cleary, K&E, Cooley, WSGR, basically any firm that recently revamped their shitty 90's layouts that look straight out of a free WordPress blog. I think Cleary's website is definitely the best aesthetically and stands out from the others. Worst: any firm that hasn't revamped their shitty 90's layouts that look straight out of a free WordPress blog (e.g. Latham, DPW). Also hard agree on the fa...
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Re: Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 10:29:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I was a SSC clerk in a non-competitive state. My justice had immense connections within the state and hooked the clerk after me up with a federal district court clerkship in the state. (I had a similar opportunity but didn't pursue it). She didn't even have to apply for the federal clerkship - it was basically our justice making a phone call to the district court judge: "hey, do you want one of my...
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: ExpOriental   on: May 5, at 10:23:27 am   in: Legal Employment
It’s insane to me that super-rich firms continue to have such ugly or unwieldy websites — Latham comes to mind but there are many other examples — when the cost of an overhaul would be like a rounding error against their annual revenues. Almost makes me think that that the ugliness is some kind of weird flex, e.g., “our firm doesn’t need a flashy, aesthetic website in order to succeed.” :lol: I t...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 10:17:44 am   in: Legal Employment
Any Alex Oh stories given recent events? Fwiw- she's good to work for. Pretty demanding, has high expectations, and blunt but that's a function of just how brilliant she is. (Think of the brainiac partner in your office who doesn't quite understand why you can't understand super complicated issue X on a first pass because they always can.) She's known for actively trying to give substantive oppor...
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Re: Effects of Partisan/Polarizing Judges on Clerkship Apps  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 10:02:36 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don't think there are many judges liberal enough that conservatives would care. A Katzmann internship would definitely be a plus for my judges, who are quite conservative Fed Soc star types. Vice versa I think there's a short list of conservative judges who would raise eyebrows among most liberals. Justin Walker, Naomi Rao, Lawrence VanDyke, and Jim Ho are the four who come to mind. But like I i...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: thisismytlsuername   on: May 5, at 9:55:30 am   in: Legal Employment
Personally I would live in Chelsea, so that I could have a 15-20 minute walk to work and still have the option of the subway or Uber easily when the weather isn’t great. Plenty of nightlife in Chelsea too. Deciding between WV and Chelsea... any more insight on the pros/cons between the two? What're you looking for? Living in one of the newer buildings around 25th and 6th is totally different than...
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Re: Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 9:51:27 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
In my flyover home state, an SSC clerkship is probably roughly equal in prestige and job utility to a federal district court clerkship. It would be seen as excellent preparation by the top firms in the market, especially if you clerked for one of the justices with elite firm backgrounds, and local government jobs like the state AG. They tend to go to people in the top 10% at the in-state law schoo...
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: MrLions   on: May 5, at 9:50:13 am   in: Legal Employment
I think corporate has less *need* to ever be in the office. Like you aren't printing out briefs/motions/attending depos/prepping clients for depos etc. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average corporate partner was more into talking through deal logistics in person etc. Also, you are much more likely to have all nighters as corporate and if that is with a partner who wants face time it g...
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Firm treatment of repeat CA bar failure  
  by: mustbebetween3   on: May 5, at 9:42:59 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am at a firm in California and re-took the CA bar in Feb. The firm was understanding about needing to re-take and "gave" me 6 weeks unpaid leave to prepare for it. In the event I learn on Friday (when results are released) that I failed again, I am expecting to be fired. Is this reasonable? Has anyone dealt with this particular issue? Or might anyone have advice for steps I should take if I do e...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: GSDMutt   on: May 5, at 9:38:28 am   in: Choosing a Law School
... In terms of alumni networks: Every T13 has a great alumni network. And this is, again, something you seem to be focusing on in order to avoid focusing on your real issues. You need to figure out how you plan to pay off your loans... I'm sorry I wasn't clearer in my initial post. There will be no loans. Money is a secondary consideration. I would rather spend $100k less than $100k more, but I ...
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Re: Susman’s OCI  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 9:34:08 am   in: Legal Employment
Susman comes (and gave offers) to my T13, so they at least don't take the WLRK approach.
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 9:32:46 am   in: Legal Employment
I'd argue that Comedy Cellar (and all the other comedy clubs)/Cherry Lane Theater (and all the other small theaters downtown with cheap tickets)/Chelsea galleries (plus the smaller museums)/all the music venues downtown are more accessible culture than Lincoln Center or the big museums you're going to go to once in a blue moon. For each their own, of course, hence why I put "culture" in quotes in...
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 9:22:00 am   in: Legal Employment
I interviewed for a spot in DC but haven’t heard anything in over a month so not feeling great about it.
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: legalpotato   on: May 5, at 9:20:55 am   in: Legal Employment
Obligatory S&C logo facing outward reference
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 9:20:19 am   in: Legal Employment
Now I really want to show this poll's result to Europeans and see their reaction
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Re: Law Schools of the South  
  by: unknown94   on: May 5, at 9:19:12 am   in: Choosing a Law School
UVA Law is the undisputed tops in the South. Duke Law also has an excellent national reputation. Other than that, it does seem to be relatively regional. FL is great for Florida, UT for Texas, and Emory/UGA for the Southeast.
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Re: Short-term Disability in Biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 9:18:38 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here. Thank you everyone for the input, I'm going to ask HR for a copy of the policy to be sure I qualify, and assuming I do, take the leave.
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Auxilio   on: May 5, at 9:10:17 am   in: Legal Employment
I think corporate has less *need* to ever be in the office. Like you aren't printing out briefs/motions/attending depos/prepping clients for depos etc. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the average corporate partner was more into talking through deal logistics in person etc. Also, you are much more likely to have all nighters as corporate and if that is with a partner who wants face time it ge...
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Prudent_Jurist   on: May 5, at 8:59:22 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474504 time=1620240900 user_id=45852]
Lol. I’d unironically rather wear one of the pictured sweatshirts that says “LOGO”, than a sweatshirt with my firm’s actual logo on it.



Not to yuck your yum.
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What do you think is worse: wearing gear with your firm’s logo, or wearing gear with your law school journal’s logo?
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:55:00 am   in: Legal Employment
At my v50, a group of us summer associates got together and pitched in to get all the SA these custom logo fleece hoodies. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Cotton-Streetwear-Hoodies-Custom-Logo-Manufacturer_1600145294246.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.55a8d592M6AWbK Lol. I’d unironically rather wear one of the pictured sweatshirts that says “LOGO”, than a sweatshirt wi...
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: TLSReturntoWork   on: May 5, at 8:51:24 am   in: Legal Employment
It sounds like the solution here is clear. I'm junior. Partners and seniors in my group ask me to tell senior people in other groups to do something, because it's not within our group (think asking a bankruptcy or litigation person to do corporate work). This is normal, as people have been saying, because no one in corporate should have to do bankruptcy or litigation tasks. If this is what's happe...
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Prudent_Jurist   on: May 5, at 8:50:56 am   in: Legal Employment
Let OP do their thing without chastising them.



What’s [i]prima facie[/i] worse than using Latin is derailing OP’s thread and chastising them for something irrelevant to the topic. [i]Qui sine peccato est vestrum primus in illam lapidem mittat.[/i] (John 8:7).
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:47:11 am   in: Legal Employment
Personally I would live in Chelsea, so that I could have a 15-20 minute walk to work and still have the option of the subway or Uber easily when the weather isn’t great. Plenty of nightlife in Chelsea too. Deciding between WV and Chelsea... any more insight on the pros/cons between the two? The housing stock in WV is old. Apartments there are cramped and small, but still hella expensive. By contr...
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Re: Susman’s OCI  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:42:05 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=WLRKEthan post_id=10474491 time=1620238313 user_id=235467]
worship Wachtell
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Re: What to do in the gap year before clerkship, in public interest sphere?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:32:19 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Not exactly what you're looking for, but maybe the perspective will help. I'm in biglaw and will be leaving to clerk. I'm learning toward not returning to biglaw after. One nice thing about knowing you're leaving soonish is that you don't have to really worry about hours or hunting down work. Feels more relaxed and you're getting paid a ton.
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Definitely Not North   on: May 5, at 8:30:23 am   in: Legal Employment
"All else equal" -- better? Yes. Justified or not, like it or not, latin phrases like ceteris paribus signal affectation and aloofness. Sometimes a latin phrase is necessary or appropriate because it actually adds something above the closest English translation or because it is a term of art. But that doesn't apply here. Yes and it's also suuuuper cringey and try-hard when lawyers try to sprinkle...
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: replevin123   on: May 5, at 8:24:44 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=MrLions post_id=10474489 time=1620238174 user_id=165778]
"All else equal" -- better?
[/quote]

Yes. Justified or not, like it or not, latin phrases like ceteris paribus signal affectation and aloofness. Sometimes a latin phrase is necessary or appropriate because it actually adds something above the closest English translation or because it is a term of art. But that doesn't apply here.
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:24:21 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474436 time=1620187288 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474425 time=1620173613 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474421 time=1620167709 user_id=45852]
We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers.
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Are you COA? I'm SDNY and have heard nothing.



A few months ago Orrick reached out directly by email, but it turns out they wanted clerks for their appellate practice. Morons.
[/quote]
Hmm? I'm also at SDNY, and I got a Cravath solicitation yesterday.
[/quote]

Non-CA2 clerk. Got the same Cravath email.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:18:47 am   in: Legal Employment
It’s insane to me that super-rich firms continue to have such ugly or unwieldy websites — Latham comes to mind but there are many other examples — when the cost of an overhaul would be like a rounding error against their annual revenues.



Almost makes me think that that the ugliness is some kind of weird flex, e.g., “our firm doesn’t need a flashy, aesthetic website in order to succeed.” :lol:
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Re: Patent litigator turned stock market investor taking questions  
  by: ChessPlaya   on: May 5, at 8:17:27 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Thanks for doing this. I have a few questions for you: 1. Can you talk about your life as an associate in patent litigation? What were your hours and lifestyle like? How did you like the work? 2. When you quit your associate job, did you just start investing in your personal account using your own savings, or did you have outside capital? Is your plan to build a track record and then seek out inve...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:16:22 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=Dahl post_id=10474467 time=1620229050 user_id=169625]
Personally I would live in Chelsea, so that I could have a 15-20 minute walk to work and still have the option of the subway or Uber easily when the weather isn’t great. Plenty of nightlife in Chelsea too.
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Deciding between WV and Chelsea... any more insight on the pros/cons between the two?
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:14:29 am   in: Legal Employment
At my v50, a group of us summer associates got together and pitched in to get all the SA these custom logo fleece hoodies. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Cotton-Streetwear-Hoodies-Custom-Logo-Manufacturer_1600145294246.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.55a8d592M6AWbK
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Susman’s OCI  
  by: WLRKEthan   on: May 5, at 8:11:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Ignore my username, I used to worship Wachtell :oops:, but does anyone have knowledge on where Susman actually does OCI’s? I can’t seem to find a comprehensive list anywhere.
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Re: What to do in the gap year before clerkship, in public interest sphere?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:10:04 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anon b/c I'm in government. First of all, let me say that I haven't tried this, so I'm mostly spitballing. But I think unless you can find a one-year term position (like a fellowship or similar), most government/public interest employers would not be very interested in someone who would only be there for a year. Many don't have the kind of planned attrition and hiring cycles seen in biglaw, they p...
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: MrLions   on: May 5, at 8:09:34 am   in: Legal Employment
"All else equal" -- better?
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Re: Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 8:00:25 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
If you want to go back to your home state, I think a local SSC clerkship is very valuable - those justices will have lots of connections, including former clerks, who are local. I think this is especially if you want to do something other than pure biglaw, as I think the more you move out of biglaw, the more help connections are. (This is based on clerking for a state COA and knowing quite a few p...
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Definitely Not North   on: May 5, at 7:59:35 am   in: Legal Employment
^ accidental anon
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:57:25 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=MrLions post_id=10474478 time=1620233997 user_id=165778]
[i]Ceteris paribus[/i]
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Re: Law Schools of the South  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: May 5, at 7:35:01 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I have family in the South and think UVA is fairly clearly the most respected across the board, with Duke second (suffers from a bit of a "Yankee" perception), then Vandy. After that, the next "best" school in each state is usually the flagship. This is because that is where all their graduates are and why it is usually recommended that one attend law school in the state you want to practice in u...
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Re: Effects of Partisan/Polarizing Judges on Clerkship Apps  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:21:46 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474442 time=1620192439 user_id=45852]
Is interning for a hyper-partisan/polarizing judge a negative on your resume when subsequently applying for clerkships to judges with opposite ideologies?
[/quote]

You're going to have to be more specific about "hyper-partisan". Yes, clerking for Bill Pryor will be a negative if you want to apply to Robert Katzmann or vice-versa. But that's the extreme case. Most judges won't care.
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Re: Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: Excellent117   on: May 5, at 7:14:33 am   in: Legal Employment
There is not a single thing I do in my corporate practice that requires me to be in an office setting in order to get it done. Not really knowing what litigators do on a day-to-day basis whatsoever, I have to imagine the clear answer here is corporate.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: theneuro   on: May 5, at 7:08:05 am   in: Legal Employment
I don't know if they've updated it, but the scroll bar on Quinn's website was truly infuriating. Trying to scroll down to find a specific attorney was a roll of the dice at best. And I agree that the search function on GDC's website can be tricky. I think Keker has a nice website. As does Gunderson. Keker's website is very nice. As is Bartlit Beck's. I think part of it is they both have such nice...
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Re: Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:04:51 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I think public service would look very favorably on as many clerkships as possible, whereas biglaw firms would frown on that.



USMJ > SSC > USDJ or

SSC > USMJ > USDJ



is not unheard of. I know exactly two people who pursued such a path.



If your legal career is going to be 30-50 years long, then clerking for three or four years is a worthwhile long-term investment, as I see it.
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:02:19 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Everything seems to be moving at a snail's pace this year. I was talking to boutiques in late March, and have only in the last couple weeks started to hear from biglaw applications I sent out when I started my cycle. We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers. So if the word on the street is true that NYC is the fastest-moving market, it looks like there's plenty of post-clerk ...
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Re: NY Gym Subsidy  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 7:00:56 am   in: Legal Employment
I don't know if other firms have done it, but Cleary also allows for reimbursements of $1800 worth of home fitness equipment. People have been getting Pelotons and all those fancy stuff.
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Is litigation or corporate easier to do remotely?  
  by: MrLions   on: May 5, at 6:59:57 am   in: Legal Employment
[i]Ceteris paribus[/i], is it easier to work remotely if you're in a biglaw litigation group or a biglaw corporate group? Or would face-time requirements be about the same?
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What to do in the gap year before clerkship, in public interest sphere?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:58:48 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Hi everyone, I’m currently working as an associate at a large firm where I pretty much dread working every day. For background, I thought I would gain strong, useful litigation skills from this position, but my interests and experience before this have been in public interest work, and while I thought the litigation aspect would be a nice complement to those, it’s turning out to not be my cup of t...
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:52:28 am   in: Legal Employment
Any updates from people who applied in late Jan?
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Re: Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: May 5, at 6:52:18 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Below is a non-exhaustive list of questions/considerations to help you hone your decision on this: First major question is what type of SSC are we talking about? A NY/MA/CA? Or like Vermont? Obviously on the more competitive end of the spectrum, it’ll do more for you. In fact some speculate that CA might be seen as better than many fedclerk gigs. Next question is whether it’s the same state in whi...
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Is a State Supreme Court Clerkship Worth It?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:31:03 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Current Fed. Magistrate clerk. I was in Biglaw for 1.5 years prior. I’m currently applying to 2022-2023 term District Court clerkship positions. Recently, I saw a posting for a state Supreme Court clerkship position in my home state. A few questions: 1. Is it worth it for me to apply? I don’t really want to go back to Biglaw, but I don’t know how valuable it would be for me to do two non-Article I...
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:23:59 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Everything seems to be moving at a snail's pace this year. I was talking to boutiques in late March, and have only in the last couple weeks started to hear from biglaw applications I sent out when I started my cycle. We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers. So if the word on the street is true that NYC is the fastest-moving market, it looks like there's plenty of post-clerk ...
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:14:22 am   in: Legal Employment
Proskauer has a nice, clean, modern site, although the professionals page can be annoying to filter at times. Their firm color scheme has always been one of my favorites.
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Re: Ogletree Deakins Salary  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:11:16 am   in: Legal Employment
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Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 6:03:51 am   in: Transfers
As another data point:



5/5 some people got summer plans inquiries



As of 5/5 at noon - no EA acceptances or deferrals have been released
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Re: Likelihood of IP Biglaw? (Top Engineering undergrad and T13)  
  by: Spartan_Alum_12   on: May 5, at 5:49:57 am   in: Legal Employment
Do you want prosecution or litigation? For litigation, firms usually want higher grades, especially in something like legal writing. Also for litigation, especially if you want appellate litigation, a clerkship also helps (but is not required) which also requires good grades. If you want prosecution, you will probably be fine with a ME degree from a top undergrad and a Berkeley law degree. But no...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2020-2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 5:41:07 am   in: Public Interest & Government
What component are you two? I wonder how much it varies. I submitted my eqip in January (along with physical fingerprints) and AFAIK no one has been contacted. No drug test or FBI interview. Also asking because some components require an actual clearance (SF 86) while others are public trust (SF 85p).
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Dahl   on: May 5, at 5:37:30 am   in: Legal Employment
Personally I would live in Chelsea, so that I could have a 15-20 minute walk to work and still have the option of the subway or Uber easily when the weather isn’t great. Plenty of nightlife in Chelsea too.
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Re: Likelihood of IP Biglaw? (Top Engineering undergrad and T13)  
  by: jotarokujo   on: May 5, at 5:33:45 am   in: Legal Employment
Berkeley Law 2L here. With an ME background and patent reg, you're in a really good position, and it's entirely possible for you to network your way to a 1L SA position before you even finish your first semester (hint go to BCLT lunch talks). And while pros is less competitive than lit, everyone interested in pros is gunning for Knobbe/Fish/Finegan so straight Ps may not cut it. For 2L SA I have ...
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Re: Litigation Lateral Bonus  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 5:33:41 am   in: Legal Employment
This is the Kirkland lateral -- I just asked and they offered. Seems like most other people framed it as a "make me whole" request. Did you just say, "give me more money"? What was your tact? I asked whether they would be willing to offer a signing bonus while noting that I had several other interviews lined up (this was true) and would make a decision after I did my due diligence. They then offe...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2020-2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 5:31:15 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I had my FBI interview and then a bunch of activity with employers, friends, and neighbors being contacted. Then silence for a month ongoing. Apparently no news is good news. I wonder if they're not permitted to grant clearance until fingerprinting and drug testing which are still suspended. In that case, we might be at a bottleneck until that gets started again. Anyone have any movement on the b...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Sackboy   on: May 5, at 5:30:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Ya'll getting whipped. 60% of the answers should not be in the 0-10 day range. That's insane.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Sackboy   on: May 5, at 5:29:34 am   in: Legal Employment
I will just say that it is absolutely stunning how often firm websites make it obnoxiously hard to find their lateral openings page. Sometimes, they have a whole block of text (maybe 8-9 lines high) on a page with a ton of other text and images with a single word hyperlinked to the jobs page. Dear god, I just want to be able to click on "careers" and then get hit with two options "professional ope...
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Re: Transactional tax lawyer-research & writing  
  by: CanadianWolf   on: May 5, at 5:23:11 am   in: Legal Employment
If you want to minimize legal writing duties, consider focusing on Section 382 work for M&A in Big 4.



Also, if a writing sample is requested when interviewing, then....
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Re: BU $0 debt vs. Cornell $110k debt [NEVER BEEN THIS SPLIT MY ENTIRE LIFE]  
  by: screwtapeletters   on: May 5, at 5:16:17 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I will caveat that you will need to study HARD. That also means scouring TLS for how-to guides to end up at the top of your class for 1L, when it matters for firm recruiting. If you follow those guides to a T, they actually work. So just to be clear: Everyone in your class who didn't land biglaw (based on your description, I'm guessing that was at least 70-80% of your class) didn't study hard eno...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: mwells_56   on: May 5, at 4:39:11 am   in: Legal Employment
Thanks everybody, sounds like both of them are totally doable. I'm K-JD so I'm young but not really into nightlife. Turns out my brother and cousin are both moving to the village soon though, so I'm leaning towards being closer to them. My brother who has lived in the city for a few years and who's SO is a partner at a just-outside-the-V100 type firm seems convinced that I need to live in Chelsea ...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2020-2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 4:38:44 am   in: Public Interest & Government
I had my FBI interview and then a bunch of activity with employers, friends, and neighbors being contacted. Then silence for a month ongoing. Apparently no news is good news. I wonder if they're not permitted to grant clearance until fingerprinting and drug testing which are still suspended. In that case, we might be at a bottleneck until that gets started again. Anyone have any movement on the ba...
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Re: How long does NCBE C&F for DC Bar take?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:40:41 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm transferring score, but I'm confused as to whether DC is taking a while or if NCBE is--NCBE website still says my C&F is processing.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2020-2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:28:21 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Anyone have any movement on the background check/know if we are expected to hear anything? I know the two federal judges for whom I have worked were contacted shortly after I submitted my materials, but I have not heard anything else.
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 5, at 3:21:46 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Everything seems to be moving at a snail's pace this year. I was talking to boutiques in late March, and have only in the last couple weeks started to hear from biglaw applications I sent out when I started my cycle. We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers. So if the word on the street is true that NYC is the fastest-moving market, it looks like there's plenty of post-clerk ...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: thisismytlsuername   on: May 5, at 2:35:11 am   in: Legal Employment
The Museum of Natural History is amazing, but how often are you going to go? Once a year? Lincoln Center is probably the best "culture" near the UWS, but again, you're going what, maybe once every three months? And any of the ACBD123 will get you there in 20 minutes from the WV. Carnegie Hall is in midtown, the Met, Guggenheim, and Frick are on the UES. I guess they're technically closer to the UW...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: Hi-So - ArshavinFan   on: May 5, at 1:52:40 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Thank you. This is great stuff. I sense an overall hesitancy on your part about NYU Law as an NYU Law grad. One of my concerns is the strength (or lack thereof) of the alumni network. I get the sense that alumni feel more warmly toward Michigan than they do toward NYU. That's because you're only hearing from any NYU alumni who had a negative experience. I also went to NYU and have no idea where t...
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Wellsfargowagon   on: May 5, at 12:41:35 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10473100 time=1619091993 user_id=45852]One final note: I get that Big Tech is getting a lot of attention right now, but I strongly urge burgeoning antitrust lawyers and people wanting to make the switch to government not to hyperfixate on Big Tech. There is plenty of great enforcement work to be done outside of Big Tech that is equally challenging and consequential.
[/quote]



This is great advice. Totally agree.
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Re: BU $0 debt vs. Cornell $110k debt [NEVER BEEN THIS SPLIT MY ENTIRE LIFE]  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 5, at 12:33:38 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I will caveat that you will need to study HARD. That also means scouring TLS for how-to guides to end up at the top of your class for 1L, when it matters for firm recruiting. If you follow those guides to a T, they actually work. So just to be clear: Everyone in your class who didn't land biglaw (based on your description, I'm guessing that was at least 70-80% of your class) didn't study hard eno...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 5, at 12:21:17 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Thank you. This is great stuff. I sense an overall hesitancy on your part about NYU Law as an NYU Law grad. One of my concerns is the strength (or lack thereof) of the alumni network. I get the sense that alumni feel more warmly toward Michigan than they do toward NYU. That's because you're only hearing from any NYU alumni who had a negative experience. I also went to NYU and have no idea where t...
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Staff Lawyer jobs at Legal Aid & non-profits  
  by: The Avatar   on: May 4, at 10:09:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
Most of the advice here is centred around landing Big law and private firm hiring. Staff lawyer jobs with Legal Aid and other public interest places seem to be fewer in number and quite competitive. Most job postings I see ask for experience. Any advice in this regard, as well as how government (such as the DOJ) would view the experience to lateral. Thanks.
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Re: Best and worst firm websites  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 8:28:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
I strongly dislike Gibson's. Although it's got some modern design aspects (very big font, seemingly meant to be viewed on mobile), I don't love its search function, and it doesn't show pictures until you get to an attorney's actual page, which makes it very hard to figure out who that Gibson attorney you just met is. Similarly, Cravath literally doesn't have individual pages or images for its ass...
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Re: Best and Worst Courthouse (buildings)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:59:26 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
The Browning Courthouse in San Francisco feels more like a European palace than a courthouse. It's probably the most ornate federal building in the country. The other 9th Circuit HQ, the Chambers Courthouse in Pasadena, is a quirky former hotel and is getting a little tired inside, but the grounds and gardens are beautiful. The DC Circuit's courthouse feels like a cheap, dated municipal departmen...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:50:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
Any Alex Oh stories given recent events? Fwiw- she's good to work for. Pretty demanding, has high expectations, and blunt but that's a function of just how brilliant she is. (Think of the brainiac partner in your office who doesn't quite understand why you can't understand super complicated issue X on a first pass because they always can.) She's known for actively trying to give substantive oppor...
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Effects of Partisan/Polarizing Judges on Clerkship Apps  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:27:19 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is interning for a hyper-partisan/polarizing judge a negative on your resume when subsequently applying for clerkships to judges with opposite ideologies?
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:02:54 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I clerked way out of school, in the upper range of what you're talking about. There's definitely a significant contingent of judges that want people straight out of law school. But I think a lot of the issue is self-selection. Not many people want to go from earning what you're making to ~$100k (maybe more depending on locality and whether the judge has a career clerk), with awful benefits, terrib...
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 6:42:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474430 time=1620179701 user_id=45852]
Does your firm's name happen to start with a D and end in an E?
[/quote]

OP's firm is actually the state of Delaware
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Re: Likelihood of IP Biglaw? (Top Engineering undergrad and T13)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 6:29:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Berkeley Law 2L here. With an ME background and patent reg, you're in a really good position, and it's entirely possible for you to network your way to a 1L SA position before you even finish your first semester (hint go to BCLT lunch talks). And while pros is less competitive than lit, everyone interested in pros is gunning for Knobbe/Fish/Finegan so straight Ps may not cut it. For 2L SA I have ...
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Re: BU $0 debt vs. Cornell $110k debt [NEVER BEEN THIS SPLIT MY ENTIRE LIFE]  
  by: jjjetplane   on: May 4, at 6:12:44 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I am a lawyer not a student. I went to a lower ranked school and graduated toward the very top of my class and got v20 biglaw. No debt is HUGE. Grind hard at BU, get Boston Biglaw (Skadden, Weil, Ropes, WSGR, etc. come to mind), grind another five years - learn a TON, stack paper, and then go to South Korea. BU won't be as shiny of a school on your resume, but those large firm years will, they wil...
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Re: Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 6:10:24 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I clerked four years out and one of my co-clerks was nine years out. It does happen. But there are much fewer judges willing to hire that senior. Judge Callahan on CA9 is one and I met a clerk of hers who was coming off literally a decade as an district attorney. You might have some luck applying to new appointees as they get fewer applicants, and having experienced clerks is a bigger upside -- tr...
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 6:01:28 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474425 time=1620173613 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474421 time=1620167709 user_id=45852]
We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers.
[/quote]

Are you COA? I'm SDNY and have heard nothing.



A few months ago Orrick reached out directly by email, but it turns out they wanted clerks for their appellate practice. Morons.
[/quote]
Hmm? I'm also at SDNY, and I got a Cravath solicitation yesterday.
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Can I clerk many years (6-9) after grad?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:50:51 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'm a mid level/sr assoc. at a fairly reputable mid sized boutique. Around 7 years post grad now. I've spent the last 4+ years doing solid litigation work (was doing a different, tangentially related field before at a small firm). Bonus inclusive, each year I make about 250-280k billing around 2000/year (in a bad year, a bit under 2000). I may have a shot at partnership in a couple years but don't...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: GSDMutt   on: May 4, at 5:41:22 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
... It has to do with past ranking and self-selection ... Thank you. This is great stuff. I sense an overall hesitancy on your part about NYU Law as an NYU Law grad. One of my concerns is the strength (or lack thereof) of the alumni network. I get the sense that alumni feel more warmly toward Michigan than they do toward NYU. I am interested to hear you mention undergraduate prestige. My undergra...
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Re: Likelihood of IP Biglaw? (Top Engineering undergrad and T13)  
  by: jotarokujo   on: May 4, at 5:28:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
my sense has been that ip lit is more grade conscious than general lit, and that's assuming you have some stem degree. could be wrong tho, i've never been in a hiring position for this. i do get the sense that if you have a stem degree, it's less competitive than appellate lit, for example



patent pros is probably less grade conscious
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: Spartan_Alum_12   on: May 4, at 4:42:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
Most people take it within a couple of years after starting at their firm. Some firms even offer billing credit for you to study. It's such a relief to hear that. I was worried that I was falling behind because so many people at my school already took it. So even if you go into prosecution, you won't be doing things that actually require admission to the patent bar? I'm guessing it's because you'...
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 4:21:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474430 time=1620179701 user_id=45852]
Does your firm's name happen to start with a D and end in an E?
[/quote]

Debbie!
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Re: Is it normal not to have received any swag from my firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 3:55:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does your firm's name happen to start with a D and end in an E?
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Re: Firm reimbursement for cell service  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 3:19:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
Bumping this. Does anyone know what Cravath does? Great promos happening this month.
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 2:51:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Did you do well in your antitrust course? Would you say the grade you get in that class is predictive of your success as an antitrust attorney?
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: elephant210   on: May 4, at 2:42:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
I took the patent bar during spring of my 3L year and I have no regrets about that timing - by then you are basically waiting for law school to be over, so I used that time to study for the patent bar (I took it right before spring break, so early enough in the semester to give myself a bit of a break before studying for the bar ramped up). When I started at my firm, I hit the ground running so it...
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Re: Former V5/V15 NYC Associate Involved with Hiring; AMA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 2:30:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP. It matters to an extent, as long as it's targeted toward your field. You need to be way more specific here for me to actually give a targeted answer. Are we talking big law vs. not big law? There's a big gap, unless the smaller law firm does is great in its own space and you want to move to a client. Does that make sense? All big law, I'm splitting this summer with two firms in the V20, in a ...
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 2:13:33 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474421 time=1620167709 user_id=45852]
We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers.
[/quote]

Are you COA? I'm SDNY and have heard nothing.



A few months ago Orrick reached out directly by email, but it turns out they wanted clerks for their appellate practice. Morons.
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Re: Better to take fed courts or gun for magna?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 1:55:29 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Bumping this because I have the same question, only the difference between magna and cum laude would be taking fed courts for a letter grade versus pass/fail. Does that change anything? Also, at CCN so not gunning for a feeder or anything. Do you have a clerkship secured already? Imo a non-mandatory P/F on a class as important as Fed Courts would raise some eyebrows. I don't have anything secured...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: DrunkenBocceBall   on: May 4, at 1:27:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
My fiance and I live on the UWS and love it, but imo this pretty much comes down to how much nightlife you want in your immediate vicinity. There are a bunch of restaurants (and a handful of bars) between about 75-90 on Amsterdam and Columbus, but they tend to be neighborhood spots as opposed to the more hip/trendy/instagram-y places in WV. The neighborhood is pretty quiet at night, and there are ...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 1:00:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=thisismytlsuername post_id=10474393 time=1620152357 user_id=169660]


lol wtf "culture" is on the UWS?
[/quote]

Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall, and a lot of museums (Met, Guggenheim, Frick, etc). I meant proximity, not necessarily UWS itself as the center of culture, though FedFan is also correct.
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Re: Fall 2021 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 12:35:09 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Everything seems to be moving at a snail's pace this year. I was talking to boutiques in late March, and have only in the last couple weeks started to hear from biglaw applications I sent out when I started my cycle. We're just now getting some NYC V10 solicitations in chambers. So if the word on the street is true that NYC is the fastest-moving market, it looks like there's plenty of post-clerk h...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 12:28:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not quite a comp question but with plenty of firms coming and poaching, such as Winston, K&E, and Shearman in recent years, any sense on how Dallas is doing generally?



Anon because I have an interest in/relation to that office.
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Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: hopeful2021transfer   on: May 4, at 12:19:08 pm   in: Transfers
I still haven’t heard anything. My status checker hasn’t changed at all…



What’s the point of EA admission if it’s 90+ days after you applied? Doesn’t seem so “early” anymore, and I’ve had my hopes up in frustration for too long.
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: FedFan123   on: May 4, at 12:11:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you're younger or enjoy night life, WV. If you want to be near "culture" or love Central Park, UWS. Commute is similar, as others have mentioned. lol wtf "culture" is on the UWS? Staples? Starbucks? Jacob's Pickles? Assuming you're under 40 and/or don't have kids, the vast majority of your socializing will likely take place south of 34th street (probably even 14th street) or in Brooklyn. You c...
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Re: What’s the Limit?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 11:47:32 am   in: Legal Employment
Holy crap here I was feeling bad about myself. I just started at a new firm CM, and could NOT get a hold of the partners or anything. Quite frankly, it’s a bit of a retool and I don’t want to say what I was doing previously but it’s related enough. There’s just a lot to learn and situations where I need a partners input, (e.g, when can you get on this call, do you want to review this before I tell...
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anyone from reed smith talk about summer associate --> full-time offer?  
  by: Rayv05   on: May 4, at 11:46:20 am   in: Legal Employment
Few questions for summer associates turned associates

- When did you receive your offer? (e.g., end of the summer, fall, etc.)

- did they ask you for grades? if so, when did you send them (before or after offer)
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Re: Better to take fed courts or gun for magna?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 11:23:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474399 time=1620155486 user_id=45852]
Bumping this because I have the same question, only the difference between magna and cum laude would be taking fed courts for a letter grade versus pass/fail. Does that change anything? Also, at CCN so not gunning for a feeder or anything.
[/quote]

Do you have a clerkship secured already? Imo a non-mandatory P/F on a class as important as Fed Courts would raise some eyebrows.
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Re: Federal antitrust atty taking qs  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 11:20:15 am   in: Legal Employment
Anybody have insight into the hiring timeline for the FTC posting that just closed and/or the approximate number of positions they're filling?
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Re: Transactional tax lawyer-research & writing  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 11:03:09 am   in: Legal Employment
I agree with the other comments that attorneys in Big4 can avoid legal writing to a very large degree. Feel free to PM me if you’re curious about the career path. I’m in an M&A group at a Big4. OP here. Thanks for all of your reply!!! I tried to PM you but my PM is disabled.. . Can you tell me a little bit more of what exactly junior LLMs do in M&A big four? What are the specific tasks junior wil...
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Re: What’s the Limit?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 10:46:22 am   in: Legal Employment
Holy crap here I was feeling bad about myself. I just started at a new firm CM, and could NOT get a hold of the partners or anything. Quite frankly, it’s a bit of a retool and I don’t want to say what I was doing previously but it’s related enough. There’s just a lot to learn and situations where I need a partners input, (e.g, when can you get on this call, do you want to review this before I tell...
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Re: NYU (~$104k COA) vs. Michigan ($70k COA)  
  by: Hi-So - ArshavinFan   on: May 4, at 10:39:22 am   in: Choosing a Law School
One more question for you all -- how come NYU's federal clerkship stats are so poor? e.g. ~2% of 2019 NYU grads got federal clerkships, whereas ~10% of 2019 Michigan grads got federal clerkships. Is this self-selection? It has to do with past ranking and self-selection In the 80s & 90s - Michigan was ranked higher than NYU. NYU only started to become the better school according to the USNWR in ab...
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Re: Time to accept lateral offer  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 10:13:40 am   in: Legal Employment
Two weeks is pretty standard for an offer. If you're worried about them rescinding it regardless or need even more time, then I'd reach out to them to buy time. Thank them again and let them know you're hoping to have the chance to fully discuss the opportunity with your mentor or spouse as you value their input and will have a response by this weekend, next week, or whenever. Any longer than tha...
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: whats an updog   on: May 4, at 10:09:35 am   in: Legal Employment
IMO OP, you just need to nip this in the bud by telling people you're too busy to do x, x being whatever BS these guys are asking you to do instead of doing themselves. I really doubt the partners had a hand in this, unless the work is something that could conceivably be construed in any way as relating to your specialty. If it doesn't relate to your niche area like that and the 3rd/4th years can...
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Re: Time to accept lateral offer  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 10:08:01 am   in: Legal Employment
I had an offer rescinded because I was buying time. I was honest and said I was choosing between two firms and had just gotten the other offer. Made the decision easier I guess.
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Re: Time to accept lateral offer  
  by: Best   on: May 4, at 10:05:37 am   in: Legal Employment
Two weeks is pretty standard for an offer. If you're worried about them rescinding it regardless or need even more time, then I'd reach out to them to buy time. Thank them again and let them know you're hoping to have the chance to fully discuss the opportunity with your mentor or spouse as you value their input and will have a response by this weekend, next week, or whenever. Any longer than that...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 10:02:51 am   in: Legal Employment
(Double post, please delete.)
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 10:02:37 am   in: Legal Employment
I try to take one 1-2 week vacation a year, plus maybe a 3-4 day weekend every other month or so, with the expectation that I will probably work about an hour a day while I am out of the office and will check emails at least every couple of hours. I also try to take the W-F of Thanksgiving off and work only as absolutely needed between 12/23 and whatever the first business day after January 1 is. ...
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Re: Time to accept lateral offer  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 9:43:42 am   in: Legal Employment
Also curious about how much of an extension is acceptable.



What concessions did they make? The lateral market right now is pretty insane so it may just be normal course items
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Re: What’s the Limit?  
  by: lawlo   on: May 4, at 9:33:24 am   in: Legal Employment
How long do you guys think this will last? Through LDW? I mean we all know that Q4 is always hell but I can't even fathom what it will be like this year.. part of me thinks it will be on par with past years and that things are slowing down, but who knows. The threat of increased capital gains rates will be enough to keep the deal market incredibly busy. If the Biden administration is able to actu...
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Re: How long does NCBE C&F for DC Bar take?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 4, at 9:16:58 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Are you applying for admission by transferring your passing score from another jurisdiction? DC's process for admission is notoriously slow if you didn't take the bar there.
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Re: Best and Worst Courthouse (buildings)  
  by: shoebox   on: May 4, at 9:16:48 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
The Browning Courthouse in San Francisco feels more like a European palace than a courthouse. It's probably the most ornate federal building in the country. The other 9th Circuit HQ, the Chambers Courthouse in Pasadena, is a quirky former hotel and is getting a little tired inside, but the grounds and gardens are beautiful. The DC Circuit's courthouse feels like a cheap, dated municipal departmen...
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Re: Better to take fed courts or gun for magna?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 9:11:47 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Re: Better to take fed courts or gun for magna?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 9:11:26 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Bumping this because I have the same question, only the difference between magna and cum laude would be taking fed courts for a letter grade versus pass/fail. Does that change anything? Also, at CCN so not gunning for a feeder or anything.
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Re: Short-term Disability in Biglaw  
  by: papermateflair   on: May 4, at 8:40:56 am   in: Legal Employment
OP, I'm sorry you are having a hard time. HR will keep the issue private (to the extent they need to know any details), and if they don't, then they're bad at their jobs. You can't stop people from gossiping, of course, but when associates have gone on leave at my firm due to mental health or medical issues (or both) no one has said anything remotely bad about them behind their back - just concern...
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Re: Should I mention BDSM-law lobbying?  
  by: gottagetouttahere   on: May 4, at 8:40:56 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
This seems like something that is best framed as an example of your leadership/competence/drive rather than a personal passion project. If you've done serious academic or similar writing on the topic, engaged in substantive lobbying (as opposed to just marching into an office or something), etc., then it seems like a good thing to mention. Synthesizing it with other examples of your advocacy abili...
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Re: Time to accept lateral offer  
  by: 2013   on: May 4, at 8:33:53 am   in: Legal Employment
Not sure if you can keep that door open if you negotiated a good offer from them and turned it down, no matter how gracefully you decline.
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Re: What’s the Limit?  
  by: target_corp   on: May 4, at 8:31:17 am   in: Legal Employment
Eh, the limit likely doesn't exist--the firm model has a lot of flexibility with respect to associate losses, hiring and staffing.
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Re: Short-term Disability in Biglaw  
  by: bwh8813   on: May 4, at 8:24:51 am   in: Legal Employment
Your firm likely has a leave coordinator or someone designated in HR and also likely has a 3rd party administrator that handles leaves and the various back-office issues that comes with them. Find out who that person is in HR and contact them - it should be in your firm manual if not on an internal portal. Law firms are rightfully pretty conservative when it comes to handling leaves because they'r...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: thisismytlsuername   on: May 4, at 8:19:17 am   in: Legal Employment
If you're younger or enjoy night life, WV. If you want to be near "culture" or love Central Park, UWS. Commute is similar, as others have mentioned. lol wtf "culture" is on the UWS? Staples? Starbucks? Jacob's Pickles? Assuming you're under 40 and/or don't have kids, the vast majority of your socializing will likely take place south of 34th street (probably even 14th street) or in Brooklyn. You c...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: wldecisions   on: May 4, at 7:58:11 am   in: Legal Employment
If you're younger or enjoy night life, WV. If you want to be near "culture" or love Central Park, UWS. Commute is similar, as others have mentioned.
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Re: Court of Appeals Staff Attorney Positions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:55:48 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Any updates on when various circuits finalized hiring for 2021 terms (assuming they're done by now)?
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: eepatentatty   on: May 4, at 7:46:23 am   in: Legal Employment
Worth noting, it only gets harder to find the time to study the longer you are at the firm. If I was doing it over again, I probably would have taken it during my stub year. You are going to have a lot less free time to study once you fill up your docket.
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: stupididiot   on: May 4, at 7:40:33 am   in: Legal Employment
Most people take it within a couple of years after starting at their firm. Some firms even offer billing credit for you to study. It's such a relief to hear that. I was worried that I was falling behind because so many people at my school already took it. So even if you go into prosecution, you won't be doing things that actually require admission to the patent bar? I'm guessing it's because you'...
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Re: What’s the Limit?  
  by: LittleRedCorvette   on: May 4, at 7:39:18 am   in: Legal Employment
How long do you guys think this will last? Through LDW? I mean we all know that Q4 is always hell but I can't even fathom what it will be like this year.. part of me thinks it will be on par with past years and that things are slowing down, but who knows. The threat of increased capital gains rates will be enough to keep the deal market incredibly busy. If the Biden administration is able to actu...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Excellent117   on: May 4, at 7:29:53 am   in: Legal Employment
I've been at two unlimited vacation firms throughout the last five years and have taken one 17-day vacation once in that period. To be fair, the second was planned for fall 2020, but pandemic. I'm at an unlimited firm and take 20 days a year. You're a chump if you don't. All that matters is that you hit hours. this is making some assumptions about goals / firm culture / etc. The entirety of your ...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: anonguest   on: May 4, at 7:23:39 am   in: Legal Employment
The commute should be roughly the same - if you take the subway you are either transferring at times square for the 7 or walking from 7th Ave (if you take the 1/2/3) or 8th Ave (if you take the A/C/E) (the bigger factor may well be the walk from the apartment to the subway in the first place). You can also bike or walk from either location via the Hudson River Greenway. The West Village also lets ...
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:17:52 am   in: Legal Employment
Revitalizing this thread. I'm starting at one of the Hudson Yards firms this Fall, trying to decided between the West Village and Upper West Side. Hoping to get a 1-bedroom for between $2500 and $3500 a month. What's the commute like from either of this neighborhoods? Caveat: I haven’t made that commute on the regular, but have done UWS-to-Javits (very close to HY) twice recently for the vax. IMO...
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Re: Short-term Disability in Biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:14:06 am   in: Legal Employment
I am wondering if anyone has gone on short-term disability leave in biglaw and can talk to me about what it was like, career ramifications, risk/reward, etc. I'm currently a first year at a V-10. Overall, the work hasn't been as bad as expected, I might even say I like it. The problem is, I was assaulted during 3L and have been diagnosed with PTSD. It's made daily life a complete struggle. I slee...
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:14:04 am   in: Legal Employment
Most people take it within a couple of years after starting at their firm. Some firms even offer billing credit for you to study. It's such a relief to hear that. I was worried that I was falling behind because so many people at my school already took it. So even if you go into prosecution, you won't be doing things that actually require admission to the patent bar? I'm guessing it's because you'...
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How long does NCBE C&F for DC Bar take?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 7:05:34 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Submitted my application in late December, but still have not heard back from NCBE. The NCBE website still says the C&F investigation is processing. How long does this usually take? They seemed to indicate 100 days, but we're past that.
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Re: What’s the Limit?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 6:48:49 am   in: Legal Employment
I was thinking of moving to big law not smaller office. I am at secondary office of midlaw but working the same hours as big law and getting like 60% of the pay.
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Re: NYC Neighborhoods  
  by: mwells_56   on: May 4, at 6:42:20 am   in: Legal Employment
Revitalizing this thread. I'm starting at one of the Hudson Yards firms this Fall, trying to decided between the West Village and Upper West Side. Hoping to get a 1-bedroom for between $2500 and $3500 a month. What's the commute like from either of this neighborhoods?
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Re: Patent litigator turned stock market investor taking questions  
  by: johndhi   on: May 4, at 6:31:45 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
1. why bleak on the value of patents



2. what do you say to people who recommend 'diverse' investing? isn't 'all in' typically viewed as overly risky?



3. how much $ did you start your portfolio with
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Re: When to start applying for post-clerkship position?  
  by: Jchance   on: May 4, at 6:26:39 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Hi all, When do you start applying for post-clerkship positions if your clerkship ends at an abnormal time (like October 2021-2022, January 2021-2022, March 2021-2022, or May 2021-2022)? Do you wait six months out and start applying? Everything on here appears to relate to a post-clerkship hiring timeline for clerkships that started in August/September. With how post-clerkship hiring is going thi...
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Time to accept lateral offer  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 6:19:39 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, 1) I received an offer letter early last week for a lateral position and was hoping to make a final decision this weekend; however, I still feel like I need more time. What is a reasonable amount of time to take without rubbing ppl the wrong way? There was no "deadline" in the offer letter. 2) FWIW, I actually know the partners at the lateral firm well as have been across from them on seve...
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Re: Chicago firm hierarchy  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:55:23 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474074 time=1619827698 user_id=45852]
Any thoughts on the hierarchy for corporate?
[/quote]

My ranking of the Chicago firms would be:



TIER 1 - Kirkland and Sidley



TIER 2 - Mayer Brown, Jenner, Winston



TIER 3 - Schiff Hardin
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Re: First years - anyone else miserable?  
  by: TUwave   on: May 4, at 5:54:16 am   in: Legal Employment
OP, I'm a bit more senior than you are, but I feel you. Even setting aside the golden handcuffs, there's a very real feeling of being stuck: you're too junior for a lot of the cushy sounding in-house roles, which seem to universally call for 5+ years of experience in a large firm (or other in-house environment), I'm absolutely ambivalent about lateraling to another big firm because how could it r...
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Re: Patent litigator turned stock market investor taking questions  
  by: sophocles   on: May 4, at 5:42:50 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
A couple more questions:



Do you look for catalyst-driven investment ideas? Or just waiting on the basis of sheer, absolute value?



What do you think of the current ZIRP-driven casino-type atmosphere that seems to permeate much of retail investing these days (or maybe you disagree with that characterization entirely)?
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Re: Patent litigator turned stock market investor taking questions  
  by: sophocles   on: May 4, at 5:38:47 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
This is fascinating. Thanks for doing this. Here are some questions I had: How do you come up with investment ideas? Do you use a screener? If you had to guess, how much time do you spend researching a business before going "all in" on its stock? How do you handle a position taking a substantial dive (e.g., 30% drop)? Double down? Cut your losses and run? If you had to guess, how many ideas do you...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:36:41 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm at an unlimited vacation firm and I don't even get any weekends off, let alone get to use my fake vacation allocation. Not getting weekends off is just called being a lawyer, that's not about vacation policies. I don't work a lot of weekends, whatchu talkin' about Willis? If OP literrally means they work a full day every Saturday and Sunday, then yes that is abnormal and unsustainable. But I ...
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Re: Ogletree Deakins Salary  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:35:17 am   in: Legal Employment
Hey could use an update on this for 2021. Thanks.
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Re: LSAT Retaker Chances?  
  by: obamalaw   on: May 4, at 5:31:51 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Do you want to retake? A 158 LSAT is not a bad score, depending on what you want out of your law degree. If you want to go the Ivy League route with plans for big city big law, retake. If you want to have a law degree and work at a smaller firm, you will be perfectly fine. It all depends on what you want out of your legal education. Granted, the higher the LSAT score, the more money you will get. ...
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: target_corp   on: May 4, at 5:26:43 am   in: Legal Employment
IMO OP, you just need to nip this in the bud by telling people you're too busy to do x, x being whatever BS these guys are asking you to do instead of doing themselves. I really doubt the partners had a hand in this, unless the work is something that could conceivably be construed in any way as relating to your specialty. If it doesn't relate to your niche area like that and the 3rd/4th years can ...
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Re: GULC Transfers 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:21:17 am   in: Transfers
It’s weird that it’s taking so long… this is the latest EA decisions have ever been released. When I think “late April/early May” I assume that means by like May 5….
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:14:25 am   in: Legal Employment
In my secondary JD office we’ve been hemmoraging associates. Most other firms in the city have been paying special bonuses and/or raised salaries to the Cravath scale. Most people I know (myself included) plan to GTFO if and when we get screwed on comp again in July.
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Re: When to start applying for post-clerkship position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 5:13:30 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Hi all, When do you start applying for post-clerkship positions if your clerkship ends at an abnormal time (like October 2021-2022, January 2021-2022, March 2021-2022, or May 2021-2022)? Do you wait six months out and start applying? Everything on here appears to relate to a post-clerkship hiring timeline for clerkships that started in August/September. I'm also curious. I've seen everything from...
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 4:07:12 am   in: Legal Employment
I can see why this might be frustrating for you. I would recommend asking if the juniors need help understanding the assignment or with checking the work. Sometimes it is just expected that juniors understand how to complete a task, but it also possible in this environment that they have not been trained to do what they're asking for help from, from you. As a junior, in this covid environment, I ...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 3:53:41 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm at an unlimited vacation firm and I don't even get any weekends off, let alone get to use my fake vacation allocation. Not getting weekends off is just called being a lawyer, that's not about vacation policies. I don't work a lot of weekends, whatchu talkin' about Willis? If OP literrally means they work a full day every Saturday and Sunday, then yes that is abnormal and unsustainable. But I ...
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Re: Patent Prosecution - When are the typical & latest times to take the patent bar?  
  by: eepatentatty   on: May 4, at 3:51:26 am   in: Legal Employment
Most people take it within a couple of years after starting at their firm. Some firms even offer billing credit for you to study.
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 3:50:25 am   in: Legal Employment
I can see why this might be frustrating for you. I would recommend asking if the juniors need help understanding the assignment or with checking the work. Sometimes it is just expected that juniors understand how to complete a task, but it also possible in this environment that they have not been trained to do what they're asking for help from, from you. As a junior, in this covid environment, I ...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: ExpOriental   on: May 4, at 3:49:52 am   in: Legal Employment
Any Alex Oh stories given recent events? I thought Oh stepped down because people were throwing a fit about her history of defending corporations; did someone suggest that she was also hard to work for? It wasn't even that; the people who were throwing a fit were just doing the same thing they always do, and no one cared. The real reason is because she got hit with an order to show cause for sanc...
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Re: Public Defender Applications - 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 3:34:46 am   in: Public Interest & Government
Thanks.
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Re: Junior associates assigning work "up" to me  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 3:02:02 am   in: Legal Employment
I can see why this might be frustrating for you. I would recommend asking if the juniors need help understanding the assignment or with checking the work. Sometimes it is just expected that juniors understand how to complete a task, but it also possible in this environment that they have not been trained to do what they're asking for help from, from you. As a junior, in this covid environment, I ...
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 4, at 2:47:13 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474072 time=1619826603 user_id=45852]
Any Alex Oh stories given recent events?
[/quote]

I thought Oh stepped down because people were throwing a fit about her history of defending corporations; did someone suggest that she was also hard to work for?
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Re: Public Defender Applications - 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 4, at 2:28:07 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474267 time=1620060716 user_id=45852]
Anyone know what's going on with the FDNY jobs postings in Brooklyn, Central Islip, and White Plains? They've all been closed for a while but are still on the website (unlike the Manhattan posting). I've heard of some first round interviews but that's all.
[/quote]

Brooklyn hired and Central Islip probably did too because they started earlier. Don't know about WP.
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Re: Short-term Disability in Biglaw  
  by: 2013   on: May 4, at 1:43:15 am   in: Legal Employment
I’m sorry you are dealing with all of that.

I know this is hard to do, but don’t worry about the professional ramifications of requesting and taking. It sounds like you need to take time to deal with this. At the end of the day, this is only a job.
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Re: 165/4.0/International/URM - Is my list realistic?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: May 3, at 11:37:40 pm   in: What are my chances?
In addition to the questions wafflez already asked, how did you pick these schools?
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Re: Conservative Legal Fellowships  
  by: legalnovice   on: May 3, at 8:41:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I was just waitlisted for JWI which is a bummer since I'm really interested in Hadley Arkes's work and wanted to learn more about Natural Law/Natural Rights as it intersects with originalism. Does anyone know if people generally get off the waitlist? If I don't get it this year, I'd like to apply again next year. Would my chances be better since I was waitlisted? I will be heading to private prac...
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Re: Any law school chances with comeback story?  
  by: Mullens   on: May 3, at 8:06:16 pm   in: What are my chances?
The C&F issue with the repeated academic misconduct also presents a non-zero chance that you fail a state’s C&F and can’t be admitted as an attorney. My honest first thought was that you are either the worlds unluckiest person (but still pretty dishonest) or you committed a whole lot more academic dishonesty and were only caught those 5 times. I only mention that because C&F is basically a strange...
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Re: Akin Suicide  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 3, at 7:52:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Similar to poster above corporate fourth year who had miserable Nov. to Dec. slow Jan. then fine spring. I too used to enjoy the job, I actually liked my work (credit to partners who gave me early big drafting experience and deal mgmt roles) and now I just feel so empty. It’s just now deal after deal after deal. Nothing special. Nothing exciting. Don’t care anymore. My work product is fine but I d...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 3, at 7:45:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
Midlaw Am100 in secondary market. In 2019 I took a “trip” each month. Two of those were 5 days or longer and OOO up with no expectation of responding. I also exceeded hours by a healthyy margin and have rep for carrying my weight and others’. Have a colleague who is known to take lots of time off, rep for not being able to handle deal work nor understands how to work on an urgent matter, known to ...
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: lolwutpar   on: May 3, at 5:47:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474348 time=1620098214 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474347 time=1620096436 user_id=45852]
I'm at an unlimited vacation firm and I don't even get any weekends off, let alone get to use my fake vacation allocation.
[/quote]

Not getting weekends off is just called being a lawyer, that's not about vacation policies.
[/quote]

I don't work a lot of weekends, whatchu talkin' about Willis?
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Re: Working from home post COVID?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 3, at 5:25:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 3, at 5:16:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10474347 time=1620096436 user_id=45852]
I'm at an unlimited vacation firm and I don't even get any weekends off, let alone get to use my fake vacation allocation.
[/quote]

Not getting weekends off is just called being a lawyer, that's not about vacation policies.
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Re: people at firms with "unlimited" vacation policy, how many vacation days do you take  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 3, at 4:47:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm at an unlimited vacation firm and I don't even get any weekends off, let alone get to use my fake vacation allocation.
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Re: Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: May 3, at 4:44:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
I had a partner who was a nightmare. When I left, numerous partners said they were surprised I lasted so long working under the partner. He never yelled. He just said things that would always be so condescending and rude. He would question my intelligence and didn’t trust any of the work I did. No other partners ever questioned me like that, and I have great annual evaluations. He didn’t have a l...
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