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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:40:16 am   in: Legal Employment
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SullCrom should raise to 230 and get that V5 back.
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SullCrom got straight 1s from me for screwing over their summers during COVID (the only V10 to do so). Until they take some sort of pro-associate action (like initiating a raise) I’ll continue to do so. Plus, they’re kinda dicks anyway.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312722

Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:35:44 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There was some discussion of Daniel Collins on the 9th as being a bad judge to clerk for. Does anyone have any info on that or was it solely based on the LA Times article complaining that he dissents a lot? Because he's been immensely successful at that and has now gotten the Court to unanimously sign onto his reasoning twice in two years: https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1394330987719495686 ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=202778

Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:32:08 am   in: Legal Employment
For people who got DPW and/or PW callbacks, what were your grades and school range?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312666

Re: Biglaw associates: What class year were you when you bought a house? How expensive of a house did you get?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:31:23 am   in: Legal Employment
as a NY associate, how are people buying houses? The biglaw salary doesn’t amount to much after taxes, rent, loans, health insurance, etc. I don’t personally see how this job could allow someone to purchase any meaningful property here until years 5+ at a minimum. Condos and co-ops want at least 20% down, so you’re looking at hundreds of thousands in down payment Depends on your situation, plus t...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312727

Re: HLS EIP Preview 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:22:43 am   in: Legal Employment
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Anyone hear from Wilmer DC yet?
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Yes, got a screener this morning.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312740

Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:21:55 am   in: Legal Employment
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Any DC Movement? I know STB sent out screeners but anything apart from that?
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Definetly not over the weekend, probably in the next few days
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Got a screener from Wilmer DC this morning.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312666

Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Jchance   on: June 27, at 7:16:28 am   in: Legal Employment
Did everyone miss Cooley's rise of its rank by 5 into v20?



After another round of salary raise, I am predicting Milbank at v6 or within v5. Com'on Milbank!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312722

Re: Biglaw associates: What class year were you when you bought a house? How expensive of a house did you get?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:13:01 am   in: Legal Employment
as a NY associate, how are people buying houses? The biglaw salary doesn’t amount to much after taxes, rent, loans, health insurance, etc.



I don’t personally see how this job could allow someone to purchase any meaningful property here until years 5+ at a minimum. Condos and co-ops want at least 20% down, so you’re looking at hundreds of thousands in down payment
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312727

Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 7:00:21 am   in: Legal Employment
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Did PW give screeners for NY or just DC?



Also how fast have people heard back from Debevoise?
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PW NY was straight to callback for me.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312666

Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 6:50:11 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There was some discussion of Daniel Collins on the 9th as being a bad judge to clerk for. Does anyone have any info on that or was it solely based on the LA Times article complaining that he dissents a lot? Because he's been immensely successful at that and has now gotten the Court to unanimously sign onto his reasoning twice in two years: https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1394330987719495686 ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=202778

Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 6:44:55 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There was some discussion of Daniel Collins on the 9th as being a bad judge to clerk for. Does anyone have any info on that or was it solely based on the LA Times article complaining that he dissents a lot? Because he's been immensely successful at that and has now gotten the Court to unanimously sign onto his reasoning twice in two years: https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1394330987719495686 ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=202778

Re: Post-Clerkship Comp Thread (2nd Yr Bonus, Class Credit, etc)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 6:41:41 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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I clerked for two years, for two different district judges, and I was offered only one year of class credit and $50,000 as a bonus. Serves me right!
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At K&E? How long do you have to stay at the firm to keep the clerkship bonus? Was also told I would only get 1 year class credit for two year district court clerkship.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=228859

Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 6:16:13 am   in: Legal Employment
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Any DC Movement? I know STB sent out screeners but anything apart from that?
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Definetly not over the weekend, probably in the next few days
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312666

Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Joachim2017   on: June 27, at 6:00:17 am   in: Legal Employment
All of these hating posts are clearly written by 0Ls or juniors with no idea what they are talking about. As share partner poster said above, this was the firm's decision. It wasn't "caving" or some "pathetic move," it was just a law firm deciding what cases it takes on, just as lawyers everywhere decide what cases they'll take on every day. That's it. I wish Paul would have stayed, as he was an ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312087

Re: HLS EIP Preview 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:55:32 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone hear from Wilmer DC yet?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312740

Re: Biglaw associates: What class year were you when you bought a house? How expensive of a house did you get?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:54:21 am   in: Legal Employment
Purchased as a third-year associate in a HCOL location. HHI 550k; $1.7M house, peak pandemic low interest rates; house has appreciated $800K. We went for the forever home and don’t feel stretched and are very happy with the decision because our neighborhood would be out of budget had we waited.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312727

Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:51:22 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There was some discussion of Daniel Collins on the 9th as being a bad judge to clerk for. Does anyone have any info on that or was it solely based on the LA Times article complaining that he dissents a lot? Because he's been immensely successful at that and has now gotten the Court to unanimously sign onto his reasoning twice in two years: https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1394330987719495686 ...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=202778

Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:44:49 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I’ve also heard good things through the grapevine about Collins.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=202778

Re: Off-plan clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:42:36 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thanks! Do any district judges hire off plan - particularly in DNJ, EDNY, or SDNY? Also, what grades are needed for those judges? Park and Bibas are among the most selective off-plan judges, Porter is not particularly competitive, the others are in between from my understanding. Menashi is very ideology-sensitive in hiring but not always the most grade-selective. For DJs Kovner and Komitee may hi...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312794

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:30:29 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522974 time=1656332835 user_id=45852]
None has issued a published opinion yet, oddly.
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Is that so odd considering the circuit's total number of opinions, generally, and their lengths of tenure, specifically?
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No, the Second Circuit just doesn’t publish much.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Asdfgqwerty   on: June 27, at 5:27:22 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote=Prosecutor post_id=10522914 time=1656263156 user_id=205498]
Is BARBRI or Themis better for people who will be clerking right after graduation? Does one cover more relevant material that you'll encounter in a clerkship?
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No. Pick whatever study method works best for you. I preferred Themis but others did Barbri. It doesn’t matter.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Asdfgqwerty   on: June 27, at 5:26:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Maybe a dumb question, but after graduating how long should a resume be? Is over 1 page acceptable with both pre and post law school experience? Never ever more than a page. Agree. Always a page. I had another post-grad degree and a career before law school. I had colleagues/friends with PhDs. We all managed to cut it down to a page, with just the most impressive pre-law school stuff included. Yo...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=146252

Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:23:46 am   in: Legal Employment
Question for JD folks. To those of you who are below market when factoring in bonuses but above when not, what are your hours? I think it’s pretty good to try above market base if you’re billing like 1800 hours since a comparable associate traditional firms wouldn’t get bonus and you’d be above them. I’ve only hit my hours twice in five years. Looking into JD so want to be anon. This is my situat...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=301856

Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: dersh   on: June 27, at 5:19:38 am   in: Legal Employment
We were instructed to use a teabag, then put in special cup to be used again.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312208

Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:17:52 am   in: Legal Employment
All of these hating posts are clearly written by 0Ls or juniors with no idea what they are talking about. As share partner poster said above, this was the firm's decision. It wasn't "caving" or some "pathetic move," it was just a law firm deciding what cases it takes on, just as lawyers everywhere decide what cases they'll take on every day. That's it. I wish Paul would have stayed, as he was an a...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312087

Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:13:25 am   in: Legal Employment
Question for JD folks. To those of you who are below market when factoring in bonuses but above when not, what are your hours? I think it’s pretty good to try above market base if you’re billing like 1800 hours since a comparable associate traditional firms wouldn’t get bonus and you’d be above them. I’ve only hit my hours twice in five years. Looking into JD so want to be anon. Knew someone in m...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=301856

Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 5:00:07 am   in: Legal Employment
Davis Polk, New York has $25 limit and you have to be in the office to order for dinner. People have basically given up and accept that we go over and then just ask for $25 to be transferred into our account.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312208

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 4:59:20 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Not really. Some of the Trump appointees got theirs out earlier (I think Menashi was ~6 months?), but now that I'm doing some Westlaw digging, it looks like very few panels with any of the new Biden appointees has issues precedential opinions period...strongly suggesting it has nothing to do with them.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: Wanderingdrock   on: June 27, at 4:36:22 am   in: Legal Employment
When STB went remote, they had previously let dinner be charged to the firm ($30ish) in or out of the office. The policy changed to only partners could get meals ordered home. STB then made associates eat any charges incurred since remote work started. All without announcing, we found out when our receipts were rejected. Thanks STB! What's wrong with this? You have little loyalty towards the firm...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312208

Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 4:27:33 am   in: Legal Employment
So with the school prayer case (Kennedy v. Bremerton) just decided, Clement is now 2/2 at the Supreme Court this term. Curious if Kirkland will ignore this victory in its Friday "victories" email like it did the other SCOTUS case Clement won. Are they going to include it in their stats for their appellate prowess at all? One SCOTUS win is a big deal for most firms; 2 or 3 is awesome. 2/2 in a sing...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312087

Re: Should I try to graduate early...  
  by: cavalier1138   on: June 27, at 4:18:51 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You should stop thinking about law school. It is way, way too early for you to be making plans, and you shouldn't craft your entire life around applying to graduate school.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=312782

Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 4:06:12 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone hear from Debevoise today who had a CB last week?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312666

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 3:35:45 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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None has issued a published opinion yet, oddly.
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Is that so odd considering the circuit's total number of opinions, generally, and their lengths of tenure, specifically?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 3:10:37 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522940 time=1656275794 user_id=45852]
So if I haven't gotten an interview from on plan judges yet, it's prob reasonable to losing hope abt now, right?
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Wait till the end of this week, then... probably yeah.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=308962

Re: Will taking a year off early in my career ruin it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 2:33:05 am   in: Legal Employment
Additional data point that's at least kind of related: my friend left biglaw as a lit midlevel after receiving a boutique job offer, but he told them that he wanted substantial time off in between gigs. He ended up with something like 8 months in between jobs. The boutique allowed him to do that with zero pushback. He said the former biglaw attorneys at the boutique even celebrated his decision an...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=308181

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 2:27:15 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
None has issued a published opinion yet, oddly.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

DA secondments  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 1:54:09 am   in: Legal Employment
What firms in NYC send associates on secondment to the DA’s office? I’ve heard DPW, Ropes, PW and Goodwin did but I’m curious which firms still do and what county DA’s offices they send to.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312802

Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 1:41:17 am   in: Legal Employment
I'll admit my initial question was fairly immature. It's not about immaturity or ingratitude. It's about lacking common sense. You can resent awful assignments and awful people. You simply must never voice your resentment, as a general matter. I'm sure OP gets the sarcasm, but I just want to point out (1) OP's follow-up posts show maturity in a form I rarely see from other (mostly hotheaded/egoti...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312762

Re: Simpson Thacher - ERG Interview Timeline  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 1:40:59 am   in: OCI
I'm in the same boat. I sent in my transcript but haven't heard anything and it's been almost two weeks
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=312776

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 1:19:33 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522944 time=1656278740 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522936 time=1656274423 user_id=45852]
I’ve heard really good things about Perez.
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FWIW, I have heard awful things about her.
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Awful as in...?
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Just one anonymous perspective, but I worked under her at Brennan and found her to be unreasonable and unpleasant, and I know many others who felt the same.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 27, at 12:43:16 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Who is the one who did not know whether the parties could waive subject-matter jurisdiction?
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I think that was Eunice Lee.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

The Princeton Review LSAT Prep Discussion  
  by: AdamBaums   on: June 26, at 10:18:18 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
What are your thoughts on the Princeton Review LSAT prep course? Did you score higher after taking the course? Would you recommend it to others?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=312801

BarMax Bar Review Discussion  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 10:06:55 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
What are your thoughts on the BarMax bar review course? Would you recommend it to your friends/colleagues?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=312800

The Best Bar Review Courses of 2022 - Take the bar with confidence.  
  by:   on: June 26, at 9:28:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Stressing about the bar? You are definitely not alone. The bar will likely be the most important exam you will take as an aspiring attorney and it is extremely important to have a solid game plan going into exam day. Thankfully, there are many bar review courses available that can help you create a personalized study plan, practice with real MBE and MEE questions, digest difficult topics covered o...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=312798

The Best Bar Review Courses of 2022 - Take the bar with confidence.  
  by:   on: June 26, at 9:28:49 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Stressing about the bar? You are definitely not alone. The bar will likely be the most important exam you will take as an aspiring attorney and it is extremely important to have a solid game plan going into exam day. Thankfully, there are many bar review courses available that can help you create a personalized study plan, practice with real MBE and MEE questions, digest difficult topics covered o...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=312799

Re: Dress Code For Team Dinner  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:26:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
Update, it looks like a hipster place. Might wear a suit and tie but ironically, see.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312796

Re: Dress Code For Team Dinner  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:05:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522958 time=1656299639 user_id=45852]
Caveat that you should also check the restaurant for a dress code. Most won't have one or will be less restrictive than what it sounds like you have for the office, but you don't want to be the one who has to borrow a blazer from the loaner rack.
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Good point. Gonna tag on a blazer to be safe.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312796

Re: Post-Clerkship Comp Thread (2nd Yr Bonus, Class Credit, etc)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:55:28 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I clerked for two years, for two different district judges, and I was offered only one year of class credit and $50,000 as a bonus. Serves me right!
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=228859

Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Wild Card   on: June 26, at 7:52:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522902 time=1656247711 user_id=45852]
I'll admit my initial question was fairly immature.
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It's not about immaturity or ingratitude. It's about lacking common sense.



You can resent awful assignments and awful people. You simply must never voice your resentment, as a general matter.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312762

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:50:35 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Who is the one who did not know whether the parties could waive subject-matter jurisdiction?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312793

Re: Nevada Supreme Court  
  by: adams20209   on: June 26, at 6:34:48 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thanks for the info. Out of curiosity, do you know if anyone has been selected for interviews yet?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=305914

Re: Dress Code For Team Dinner  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 5:13:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
Caveat that you should also check the restaurant for a dress code. Most won't have one or will be less restrictive than what it sounds like you have for the office, but you don't want to be the one who has to borrow a blazer from the loaner rack.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312796

Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: stbyes   on: June 26, at 5:09:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
When STB went remote, they had previously let dinner be charged to the firm ($30ish) in or out of the office. The policy changed to only partners could get meals ordered home. STB then made associates eat any charges incurred since remote work started. All without announcing, we found out when our receipts were rejected. Thanks STB! What's wrong with this? You have little loyalty towards the firm.
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312208

Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 2:14:07 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I did a federal clerkship and a SSC clerkship. I think it makes most sense to do SSC in or around where you want to practice in the sense that they are seen as less portable (not sure that’s true but it’s how some people think). Otherwise, both experiences were fantastic. I never got the sense that anyone looked down on my SSC clerkship, and I worked hard in both. Both judges were fantastic. A SSC...
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=312790

Re: Dress Code For Team Dinner  
  by: NoLongerALurker   on: June 26, at 1:58:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
Whatever you wear in office (on the more casual-ish side of office wear, rather than the more formal, I'd think).
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Re: Will taking a year off early in my career ruin it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 1:55:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
No OP, but would doing a LLM degree at a foreign university (with some relevance to my practice experience) an acceptable way to spend a year before re-entering biglaw?
https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=308181

Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 1:47:47 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522944 time=1656278740 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522936 time=1656274423 user_id=45852]
I’ve heard really good things about Perez.
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FWIW, I have heard awful things about her.
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Awful as in...?
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Re: Post-Clerkship Comp Thread (2nd Yr Bonus, Class Credit, etc)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 1:32:58 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
How long do you have to stay at Kirkland & Ellis to keep the clerkship bonus? Also how much is it? Thanks in advance.
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 1:13:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
how hard is it to lateral to wilmer ny out of a clerkship as a rising second or third year? does a federal district court clerkship give you a strong chance given you went to a YSH? I wouldn't call that a lateral - it's post-clerkship hiring, right? Anyway, from my experience WH is more selective for hiring into the lit group after OCI. but less selective than OCI for lateral hiring in other grou...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 1:07:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
I also just realized that Wilmer has a back office in Dayton--interesting. It's purely administrative and discovery attorneys. See, e.g., https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/doc-review-attorney-demands-to-be-seen-in-biglaw-departure-email/. Keeps costs low. Also, LOL at posters thinking that S&C/Debevoise have better lit practices than WH. I'll give you that they probably have more in NYC, but it's n...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 12:56:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Question for JD folks. To those of you who are below market when factoring in bonuses but above when not, what are your hours? I think it’s pretty good to try above market base if you’re billing like 1800 hours since a comparable associate traditional firms wouldn’t get bonus and you’d be above them. I’ve only hit my hours twice in five years.



Looking into JD so want to be anon.
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Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 12:29:07 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Any knowledge on how the Biden appointees/nominees are as bosses/people? Old posts say that Koh was tough to work for as a DJ, so I would assume it's still true now? Mostly curious if anyone's heard about Sung, Sanchez, and H. Thomas, but also interested in current nominees Mendoza & Desai. Anyone here clerked on E.D. Wash. and can speak to Mendoza's reputation?
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Re: Living in New Jersey during Biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 12:18:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
In good TLS form, this thread went haywire fairly quickly. A commute in biglaw is standard for everyone but single juniors. If you have good public transportation you can work on the train etc. Hybrid work means that it's likely not 5 days a week and you can be more flexible about nights and weekends. If you're in a firm that requires you to return to the office at night or come in weekends -- lat...
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Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 12:06:07 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522944 time=1656278740 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522936 time=1656274423 user_id=45852]
I’ve heard really good things about Perez.
[/quote]

FWIW, I have heard awful things about her.
[/quote]
Like?
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Re: Off-plan clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 11:45:52 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thanks! Do any district judges hire off plan - particularly in DNJ, EDNY, or SDNY? Also, what grades are needed for those judges?
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Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 11:25:40 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522936 time=1656274423 user_id=45852]
I’ve heard really good things about Perez.
[/quote]

FWIW, I have heard awful things about her.
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Re: Living in New Jersey during Biglaw  
  by: Res Ipsa Loquitter   on: June 26, at 11:09:45 am   in: Legal Employment
Only vaguely related question, but how many days would it take an entering associate to find a 1-bedroom apartment, assuming they're will to pay the listed price and accept on the spot? Would a week of rigorous hunting do? Yes. OK that's good. I've seen a few alarming articles referring to around-the-black lines for open houses. The around the block lines are for affordable studios and one bedroo...
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Re: Living in New Jersey during Biglaw  
  by: Billywonderful   on: June 26, at 11:04:53 am   in: Legal Employment
NYC is terrible



Being in fear for your life is not exciting



Subways are not exciting



$30 for a pizza also.....
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: thepsychedelic   on: June 26, at 10:58:45 am   in: Legal Employment
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!: Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven? No one cares Mr MWE Recruiting Same anon, not at this firm, nor a "Mr." Just genuinely flabberga...
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 10:36:34 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
So if I haven't gotten an interview from on plan judges yet, it's prob reasonable to losing hope abt now, right?
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Moneytrees   on: June 26, at 10:19:10 am   in: Legal Employment
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!: Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven? No one cares Mr MWE Recruiting Same anon, not at this firm, nor a "Mr." Just genuinely flabberga...
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Re: Dress Code For Team Dinner  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 10:18:19 am   in: Legal Employment
Just a shirt and pants is fine. Throw on a jacket if you want to kick it up a notch. No tie.
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Corporate work to clerkship  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 10:15:34 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Would beginning one's career as a corporate associate preclude someone from being seriously considered in post-grad clerkship applications?



I know the rationale for clerking as a corp associate is non-existent, so please do not rail me with "why would someone do that, clerkships are useless for corporate associates!" I'm just curious how prohibitive it would be.
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Re: Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 10:13:43 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I’ve heard really good things about Perez.
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Re: Off-plan clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 10:12:56 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Circuit—Menashi, Park, Hardiman, Phipps, Porter, Matey, Bibas. Some of those, like Bibas and Park, also hire some on-plan.
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Dress Code For Team Dinner  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 9:29:46 am   in: Legal Employment
Feels like a dumb question for me not to know the answer to but I don't and the normal ppl I'd ask this from internally aren't available so - there's a practice wide dinner at a restaurant (nice but not super fancy pace it seems). Generally ppl in the office dress bus cas to cas (you can get away with jeans, polo shirts). What will most ppl be wearing at the dinner? Is suit no tie or blazer + slac...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 9:02:11 am   in: Legal Employment
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!: Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven? No one cares Mr MWE Recruiting Same anon, not at this firm, nor a "Mr." Just genuinely flabberga...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 9:00:04 am   in: Legal Employment
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!: Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven? No one cares Mr MWE Recruiting Same anon, not at this firm, nor a "Mr." Just genuinely flabberga...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:57:36 am   in: Legal Employment
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!: Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven? No one cares Mr MWE Recruiting Same anon, not at this firm, nor a "Mr." Just genuinely flabberga...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:49:56 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522919 time=1656265312 user_id=45852]
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!:



Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven?
[/quote]

No one cares Mr MWE Recruiting
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Re: Will taking a year off early in my career ruin it?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:31:26 am   in: Legal Employment
to give another, less optimistic data point - a good friend had a breakdown at a V20 as a junior, left last year for 6 mos. started searching for work again, found it quite challenging to find something else, and is now working for Westlaw for ~$80K a year in a JD-advantage role. sometimes it works out, sometimes it's a disaster. not sure she'd call what she's doing necessarily a 'disaster' - I wo...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:27:40 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522920 time=1656265459 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522915 time=1656263586 user_id=45852]
Do we have any hopes of a another round of raises given the economy?
[/quote]

Assuming that Milbank is still profitable across most or all groups, I'd say there is definitely the possibility.
[/quote]

Don’t get my hopes up haha
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:20:02 am   in: Legal Employment
how hard is it to lateral to wilmer ny out of a clerkship as a rising second or third year? does a federal district court clerkship give you a strong chance given you went to a YSH? I wouldn't call that a lateral - it's post-clerkship hiring, right? Anyway, from my experience WH is more selective for hiring into the lit group after OCI. but less selective than OCI for lateral hiring in other grou...
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Re: Living in New Jersey during Biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:13:37 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=LittleRedCorvette post_id=10522923 time=1656266744 user_id=170159]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522922 time=1656266074 user_id=45852]
Only vaguely related question, but how many days would it take an entering associate to find a 1-bedroom apartment, assuming they're will to pay the listed price and accept on the spot? Would a week of rigorous hunting do?
[/quote]

Yes.
[/quote]

OK that's good. I've seen a few alarming articles referring to around-the-block lines for open houses.
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Re: Public Defender Applications - 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:11:07 am   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522331 time=1655938181 user_id=45852]
Not sure if anyone is still lurking on this thread, but has LAS started doing final/Tina round interviews for fall 2022 class yet? I know they're super behind schedule this year.
[/quote]

I don't know - I had my first interview and radio silence. I have heard back from Juvenile for another interview though. Do you know if LAS crim is doing 2 rounds or 3?
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Re: Off-plan clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 8:05:50 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Yes. Judges that hire post 1Ls / rising 2Ls.
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Re: Living in New Jersey during Biglaw  
  by: LittleRedCorvette   on: June 26, at 8:05:44 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522922 time=1656266074 user_id=45852]
Only vaguely related question, but how many days would it take an entering associate to find a 1-bedroom apartment, assuming they're will to pay the listed price and accept on the spot? Would a week of rigorous hunting do?
[/quote]

Yes.
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Re: Living in New Jersey during Biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:54:34 am   in: Legal Employment
Only vaguely related question, but how many days would it take an entering associate to find a 1-bedroom apartment, assuming they're will to pay the listed price and accept on the spot? Would a week of rigorous hunting do?
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:52:41 am   in: Legal Employment
how hard is it to lateral to wilmer ny out of a clerkship as a rising second or third year? does a federal district court clerkship give you a strong chance given you went to a YSH?
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:44:19 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522915 time=1656263586 user_id=45852]
Do we have any hopes of a another round of raises given the economy?
[/quote]

Assuming that Milbank is still profitable across most or all groups, I'd say there is definitely the possibility.
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:41:52 am   in: Legal Employment
What the heck is going on with McDermott Will & Emery? #1 in almost everything work/life & summer related, including a jump in "Compensation" from #28 to #1, "Transparency" from unranked to #1, and "Best Law Firm to Work For" from #41 to #1 :!:



Did folks see this coming? Is it really a big law heaven?
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Re: Off-plan clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:31:05 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
What does off plan mean to you? Are you asking about early hiring conservatives?
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:22:14 am   in: Legal Employment
I also just realized that Wilmer has a back office in Dayton--interesting. It's purely administrative and discovery attorneys. See, e.g., https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/doc-review-attorney-demands-to-be-seen-in-biglaw-departure-email/. Keeps costs low. Also, LOL at posters thinking that S&C/Debevoise have better lit practices than WH. I'll give you that they probably have more in NYC, but it's n...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 7:13:06 am   in: Legal Employment
Do we have any hopes of a another round of raises given the economy?
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Re: Clerks Taking Questions  
  by: Prosecutor   on: June 26, at 7:05:56 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is BARBRI or Themis better for people who will be clerking right after graduation? Does one cover more relevant material that you'll encounter in a clerkship?
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 6:53:26 am   in: Legal Employment
I also just realized that Wilmer has a back office in Dayton--interesting. It's purely administrative and discovery attorneys. See, e.g., https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/doc-review-attorney-demands-to-be-seen-in-biglaw-departure-email/. Keeps costs low. Also, LOL at posters thinking that S&C/Debevoise have better lit practices than WH. I'll give you that they probably have more in NYC, but it's n...
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Pre-clerkship lit boutique recruiting?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 6:43:02 am   in: Legal Employment
Recently accepted an offer for a district court clerkship (DDC/SDNY/EDNY/CDCA) for 2025-26, and am currently a SA. My original plan (when I thought I would be clerking right out of law school) was to try and recruit for a lit boutique afterwards to do trial work, but it seems like I'll be working for two years on the front end. I'm very happy with my current firm, but was wondering if any of the u...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 6:39:19 am   in: Legal Employment
Yes, it is ridiculous... ppl might choose milbank over paul hastings/omelveny/some other random sub v20ish firm, but the idea that they can actually pull associate talent on par with ~v15 above is crazy. You'd be insane to take a Milbank offer over sidley or weil, let alone PW/GDC. In fact, the thought of choosing milbank over PW/GDC is actually comical Do people in New York care this much about ...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 6:24:05 am   in: Legal Employment
I also just realized that Wilmer has a back office in Dayton--interesting. It's purely administrative and discovery attorneys. See, e.g., https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/doc-review-attorney-demands-to-be-seen-in-biglaw-departure-email/. Keeps costs low. Also, LOL at posters thinking that S&C/Debevoise have better lit practices than WH. I'll give you that they probably have more in NYC, but it's n...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 6:10:29 am   in: Legal Employment
DPW should raise to 250. Separate the wheat from the chaff. All firms being at the same general idea of market is an aberration. Let's see who has the financial resources to keep up. Edit: I get this unfortunate attitude because I've been on both ends. At my V10, all I had was prestige because I sure as hell wasn't going to advance within the firm past maybe year 5. I had good relationships with ...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 6:04:11 am   in: Legal Employment
My sense is that Bharara will obviously help bring in clients and with the reputation of the firm (at least among non-lawyers who pat attention to these things), but not materially change the white collar practice of the firm, which is already easily among the strongest in NY.
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Res Ipsa Loquitter   on: June 26, at 5:30:18 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here. Ya'll are right. I guess I was upset that the work wasn't varied, but even though it is a central assigning system doesn't mean I shouldn't be reaching out. Thank you everyone for the perspective. I've also reflected on it and think this is such a dumb thing to complain about as I am actually getting to directly help Partners with things that I have a unique advantage/skill on (bluebooki...
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Off-plan clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 5:16:17 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Hi - does anyone know any CA2 or CA3 District or Circuit Court Judges who hire off-plan? I'd prefer a district court clerkship but I know it's generally CoA judges that hire off-plan.



Also, what grades are necessary from NYU/Columbia/Penn for such a clerkship, especially off plan? Thanks!
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Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: thisismytlsuername   on: June 26, at 4:33:49 am   in: Legal Employment
When STB went remote, they had previously let dinner be charged to the firm ($30ish) in or out of the office. The policy changed to only partners could get meals ordered home. STB then made associates eat any charges incurred since remote work started. All without announcing, we found out when our receipts were rejected. Thanks STB! How did they reject a receipt that had been reimbursed two years...
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Biden CA2 Judges  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 3:54:22 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
What's the scoop on the new CA2 judges?
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: jsnow212   on: June 26, at 2:55:35 am   in: Legal Employment
The only thing everyone can agree on, regardless of politics, is the absolute hilarity in a KE share partner unironically invoking morality in any decision related to their job.
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 2:48:31 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here. Ya'll are right. I guess I was upset that the work wasn't varied, but even though it is a central assigning system doesn't mean I shouldn't be reaching out. Thank you everyone for the perspective. I've also reflected on it and think this is such a dumb thing to complain about as I am actually getting to directly help Partners with things that I have a unique advantage/skill on (bluebookin...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 2:46:27 am   in: Legal Employment
I also just realized that Wilmer has a back office in Dayton--interesting. It's purely administrative and discovery attorneys. See, e.g., https://abovethelaw.com/2019/01/doc-review-attorney-demands-to-be-seen-in-biglaw-departure-email/. Keeps costs low. Also, LOL at posters thinking that S&C/Debevoise have better lit practices than WH. I'll give you that they probably have more in NYC, but it's n...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 2:43:47 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522223 time=1655902738 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522199 time=1655864274 user_id=45852]
Screener at Kirkland this afternoon, got a callback invite around 5 hours later!



Also got a callback invite from Simpson Thacher this evening. (Side note: anyone know what this callback gift is)
[/quote]

coffee mug last year
[/quote]

Anyone know if this is a STB NY thing? Or do all their offices do it?
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 26, at 1:56:05 am   in: Legal Employment
SullCrom should raise to 230 and get that V5 back.
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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 10:26:41 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
There was some discussion of Daniel Collins on the 9th as being a bad judge to clerk for. Does anyone have any info on that or was it solely based on the LA Times article complaining that he dissents a lot? Because he's been immensely successful at that and has now gotten the Court to unanimously sign onto his reasoning twice in two years: https://twitter.com/fedjudges/status/1394330987719495686 ...
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Re: Let's Talk 9th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:51:19 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Are there any republican appointed judges on the Ninth that aren't too conservative? Any judges a very liberal applicant may want to avoid? YMMV, but I would avoid Bea, Smith, Ikuta, Bumatay, VanDyke, Collins, Miller, Nelson. However, most will not interview you if you're obviously a liberal anyway, so I wouldn't worry. I wouldn't put Bea, Collins, and Miller on this list. They are all conservati...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:43:32 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Yeah mine fell a decent amount 3L. I got screwed over on one random thing and generally just stopped caring nearly as much once I realized I didn’t actually want to apply to scotus lol. Nobody except my dignity cared
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:36:36 pm   in: Legal Employment
Network and get on assignments you want, for heaven's sake. It sounds like you have the time? So why not reach out to associates and partners for lunch/coffee, ask if they have assignments you can help on or meetings you can sit in on, and rinse and repeat!
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: June 25, at 7:18:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
The “love” I’m about to articulate below may be “tough,” but this is why we are all here. You don’t know me and I don’t know you so none of it ultimately matters that much, but here goes: You NEED to chill the eff out. I’m not saying your offer or career will get ruined by your comment (in fact I’m sure you’ll absolutely be fine), or that you haven’t taken the correct steps to fix it (seems like y...
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Grazzhoppa   on: June 25, at 6:53:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hate to break it to you OP but working at a large law firm / being an attorney generally sucks. You will be scribe and paper pusher the rest of your life.
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Motion22Step   on: June 25, at 6:35:03 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522711 time=1656102745 user_id=45852]
[quote=SammyCitrus post_id=10522654 time=1656087332 user_id=252340]
No word back yet!
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Here either.
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Same :cry:
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:59:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522707 time=1656100597 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522699 time=1656098436 user_id=45852]
I know the regional Vault rankings matter even less than the pointless nationwide rankings but for shits & giggles…



Big losers in NYC:

• S&C: -2 (#3 to #5)

• Cleary: -3 (#8 to #11)

• Debevoise: -3 (#9 to #12)
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Those haven't been updated yet. The only update is to the 100 ranking.
[/quote]

When do these lists get updated?
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:58:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
Paying more money than other firms or raising the market is prestigious. And Vault is about prestige. So jumping for moving money is reasonable. You forget Milbank jumped 15 spots after it first raised market. You think we respect Wachtell so highly because they work their associates more than other firms? No, it's the money. They also have a reputation justified or not for being exceedingly inte...
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:55:15 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think it's fair to be annoyed, but yeah, I would keep in mind that it's hard to use summer work as a gauge for actual practice unless you're at a firm where summers actually get worked (which I don't think anyone should want.. enjoy your summer of pay with little to no responsibilities). Biglaw associates basically have to walk on eggshells and build time into their own schedules that they proba...
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:10:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm at a V10 firm in NYC (i.e. they have a lot of work and lots of different practices). Summers do work through summer coordinators. I expressed interest in basically every group and was excited to get a variety of work. So far, I have been given 3 long term projects. One of which is doing cite checks for a Partner's law review article, the second one is doing cite checks for a Partner's book, a...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:02:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:58:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
When STB went remote, they had previously let dinner be charged to the firm ($30ish) in or out of the office. The policy changed to only partners could get meals ordered home. STB then made associates eat any charges incurred since remote work started. All without announcing, we found out when our receipts were rejected. Thanks STB!
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:52:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
DPW should raise to 250. Separate the wheat from the chaff. All firms being at the same general idea of market is an aberration. Let's see who has the financial resources to keep up. Edit: I get this unfortunate attitude because I've been on both ends. At my V10, all I had was prestige because I sure as hell wasn't going to advance within the firm past maybe year 5. I had good relationships with ...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:10:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Did PW give screeners for NY or just DC?



Also how fast have people heard back from Debevoise?
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 3:54:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
It was always a highly sought after office that is a notch more selective than its New York litigation peers like Debevoise, S&C, etc. The addition of Bharara probably won't affect much. When Loretta Lynch went to Paul Weiss, not much changed there. Same thing with Eric Holder going to Covington. Famous government folks become biglaw attorneys all the time. WilmerHale NY is great, but I don't thi...
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Re: HLS EIP Preview 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 3:42:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522816 time=1656168349 user_id=45852]
Anyone received Covington callback? It’s frustrating that the OCS tracker doesn’t differentiate between screeners and callbacks
[/quote]

No, but I had a screener with their DC office last week and found out they called my references shortly afterwards, so it seems like they're moving quickly.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2022-2023  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 3:20:19 pm   in: Public Interest & Government
I’m very interested in MLARS in Crim. Considering that, is there a downside to ranking the asset forfeiture fellowship over Crim-Trial? I’d love to do either, so I want to rank in a way that maximizes my chances to be considers for either. (No clue if I’m wrong and there’s no ranking involved for preferred sections in Crim. I’m planning to rank Crim first.)
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Re: Senior lit associate unsure of next step  
  by: Joachim2017   on: June 25, at 3:15:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
Excuse the law student ignorance, but why does it seem like excellence in litigation is rewarded less frequently than mediocrity in corporate? To oversimplify: Corporate deals make clients richer. As such, clients are willing to pay more for corporate lawyers. Lawsuits make clients poorer. As such, clients already feel vulnerable, and will be careful about how much they pay their litigators. Not ...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 3:00:36 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wait, why can't you do a year of biglaw and reapply?
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Re: Senior lit associate unsure of next step  
  by: tlsguy2020   on: June 25, at 2:56:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
Excuse the law student ignorance, but why does it seem like excellence in litigation is rewarded less frequently than mediocrity in corporate? To oversimplify: Corporate deals make clients richer. As such, clients are willing to pay more for corporate lawyers. Lawsuits make clients poorer. As such, clients already feel vulnerable, and will be careful about how much they pay their litigators. Not ...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: tlsguy2020   on: June 25, at 2:49:03 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yes, it is ridiculous... ppl might choose milbank over paul hastings/omelveny/some other random sub v20ish firm, but the idea that they can actually pull associate talent on par with ~v15 above is crazy. You'd be insane to take a Milbank offer over sidley or weil, let alone PW/GDC. In fact, the thought of choosing milbank over PW/GDC is actually comical Do people in New York care this much about ...
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Re: Lateralled to Big Law - How to Ask for Work?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: June 25, at 2:31:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Ok so, I was in your shoes at one point (biglaw lateral from in-house as a midlevel) and I'm going to give you the real story. Every firm operates like this to some extent or another, even if they have an assigning partner. E.g., my firm, which had a strict assigning system, still had plenty of partners who doled out work in this way. 1. No one knows you. Especially now during COVID when no one i...
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Re: Senior lit associate unsure of next step  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: June 25, at 2:28:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Excuse the law student ignorance, but why does it seem like excellence in litigation is rewarded less frequently than mediocrity in corporate? To oversimplify: Corporate deals make clients richer. As such, clients are willing to pay more for corporate lawyers. Lawsuits make clients poorer. As such, clients already feel vulnerable, and will be careful about how much they pay their litigators. Not ...
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Re: Senior lit associate unsure of next step  
  by: tlsguy2020   on: June 25, at 2:23:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
Excuse the law student ignorance, but why does it seem like excellence in litigation is rewarded less frequently than mediocrity in corporate? To oversimplify: Corporate deals make clients richer. As such, clients are willing to pay more for corporate lawyers. Lawsuits make clients poorer. As such, clients already feel vulnerable, and will be careful about how much they pay their litigators. Not ...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 2:22:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
As a recent grad going to a V5, I 100% agree with the sentiments above.



I plan on doing two years and bouncing to a lower ranked Vault firm or a midlaw firm ASAP. I know I’m not alone in that viewpoint either, and may be a part of the business model for the firm I am going to.



But, with all firms being somewhat even in pay—preftige is starting to matter less to my generation.
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Re: Let’s Talk DC Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 2:08:33 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Damn Boasberg really does seem like the GOAT clerkship. Great boss, great mentor, and a feeder. Feels like there has to be a catch here. I clerked for a DC Circuit judge years ago. During my clerkship, I saw Boasberg on the street a few blocks away from the courthouse, kind of near Chinatown. He said hi very warmly. I have zero idea if he recognized me—a nobody—from the courthouse (despite us hav...
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Re: Let’s Talk DC Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 1:41:18 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Damn Boasberg really does seem like the GOAT clerkship. Great boss, great mentor, and a feeder. Feels like there has to be a catch here. I clerked for a DC Circuit judge years ago. During my clerkship, I saw Boasberg on the street a few blocks away from the courthouse, kind of near Chinatown. He said hi very warmly. I have zero idea if he recognized me—a nobody—from the courthouse (despite us hav...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 1:39:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
I get this unfortunate attitude because I've been on both ends. At my V10, all I had was prestige because I sure as hell wasn't going to advance within the firm past maybe year 5. I had good relationships with my colleagues but, substantively, amounted to no more than a well-liked paper-churning cog. Now having lateraled to a V50 I'm getting put in front of rainmakers and being told, in detail, t...
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Re: CERCLA/cost recovery litigation?  
  by: zanderjames   on: June 25, at 1:14:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
I did CERCLA cost recovery and contribution work for several years in Big Law. I actually found it to be a pretty neat practice. A few thoughts: 1. Environmental litigation is at its core like any other form of civil/commercial litigation, so you can develop transferable litigation skills in motions practice, discovery, working with experts, etc. 2. At least at my firm, there wasn't a ton of compe...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Pneumonia   on: June 25, at 1:03:30 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote=Chokenhauer post_id=10522849 time=1656182921 user_id=188065]
Didn’t an Alabama SSC Justice feed to Thomas a few times over the past few cycles?
[/quote]

Yes and no. He had three recent clerks who have been hired by Thomas, but all of those hires happened after the clerk in question had separately secured a clerkship with Pryor (or Thomas).
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Re: Senior lit associate unsure of next step  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 12:14:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
Excuse the law student ignorance, but why does it seem like excellence in litigation is rewarded less frequently than mediocrity in corporate? To oversimplify: Corporate deals make clients richer. As such, clients are willing to pay more for corporate lawyers. Lawsuits make clients poorer. As such, clients already feel vulnerable, and will be careful about how much they pay their litigators. Not ...
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Re: Senior lit associate unsure of next step  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 12:07:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am in a similar position to the OP, but with less substantive first chair experience. Your level of trial, case management, and appellate work are pretty rare for your seniority. Firms will quietly pay a premium in a pinch to find senior associates and non-equity partners that they are confident can run a case. They often do not trust their homegrown associates because they know they have only ...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: dersh   on: June 25, at 11:07:52 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I did a clerkship in Alaska and it went ok. I was from Brooklyn so I thought there would be a big adjustment. There was. Generally speaking, things went smoothly. If you think people are different based on different areas of the USA, you're wrong. People are people and you will find the same issues, even in Alaska. Sarah Palin is from Alaska and she was a VP candidate, 2008. It is not as backward ...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 10:47:48 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Haven't seen New Jersey mentioned. I was under the impression they were on the tier below CA, but I'm also not very well versed so can someone else confirm or deny.
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 10:18:56 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wait, maybe I missed something-- why not just go to a firm for a year, make bank, and THEN do a COA or dct somewhere? There's no reason you have to clerk straight out. I have a full ride at my school and I'll only approximately have about 30k in student loans after I graduate. At a summer associateship right now at my V5 and honestly not too thrilled about the firm. It is NY and I would prefer wo...
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Re: Lateral Opportunities for a Privacy First Year?  
  by: Lesion of Doom   on: June 25, at 10:14:51 am   in: Legal Employment
Six weeks isn’t shit considering the context. They should give you at least three months.
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Re: Big Law Odds at OCI?  
  by: otisreadingcomp   on: June 25, at 10:06:19 am   in: Legal Employment
NY T60/70 school, 3.4 GPA, slightly above 25%. No moot court or journals. Do I have any shot at landing a summer associate position in Big Law? Sorry, but there's no real handicapping your odds here for getting a biglaw job in NYC. You just have to put out applications and see what happens. Apply broadly, network, and practice for interviews -- do everything within your power. In the words of NBA...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 9:59:55 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There are, generously, maybe ten liberal feeders and semi-feeders (Srinivasan > Fletcher, Lohier, Millett, Pillard, Tatel > Barron, Calabresi, Friedland, Watford). Between them, they hire 40 clerks, of whom (conservatively) half will be from HYSC. That leaves 20 for the rest of the T14, which have 100 top-ten students. You need to be higher than "just" top-ten or have something special about your...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 9:37:16 am   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 9:27:37 am   in: Legal Employment
DPW should raise to 250. Separate the wheat from the chaff. All firms being at the same general idea of market is an aberration. Let's see who has the financial resources to keep up. Edit: I get this unfortunate attitude because I've been on both ends. At my V10, all I had was prestige because I sure as hell wasn't going to advance within the firm past maybe year 5. I had good relationships with ...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 9:18:47 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There are, generously, maybe ten liberal feeders and semi-feeders (Srinivasan > Fletcher, Lohier, Millett, Pillard, Tatel > Barron, Calabresi, Friedland, Watford). Between them, they hire 40 clerks, of whom (conservatively) half will be from HYSC. That leaves 20 for the rest of the T14, which have 100 top-ten students. You need to be higher than "just" top-ten or have something special about your...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 9:12:36 am   in: Legal Employment
DPW should raise to 250. Separate the wheat from the chaff. All firms being at the same general idea of market is an aberration. Let's see who has the financial resources to keep up. Edit: I get this unfortunate attitude because I've been on both ends. At my V10, all I had was prestige because I sure as hell wasn't going to advance within the firm past maybe year 5. I had good relationships with m...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 9:06:06 am   in: Legal Employment
Paying more money than other firms or raising the market is prestigious. And Vault is about prestige. So jumping for moving money is reasonable. You forget Milbank jumped 15 spots after it first raised market. You think we respect Wachtell so highly because they work their associates more than other firms? No, it's the money. They also have a reputation justified or not for being exceedingly inte...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Chokenhauer   on: June 25, at 8:48:41 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have to say that I am not impressed with the current NY COA work product. Lots of virtually unreasoned opinions. I know Mike Garcia is very well-regarded, especially if you want to be an AUSA, but the quality of the court seems otherwise poor rn. There are some out-of-the-way SSCs that seemingly have some very well-qualified justices in addition to the obvious ones. If you're really open to any...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:40:10 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522840 time=1656180455 user_id=45852]
That leaves 20 for the rest of the T14, which have 100 top-ten students.
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And that doesn't even account for us plebes who steal a spot from our T14 overclassmates!
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Re: Are there any nonwhite judges who are a part of Fed Soc?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:38:08 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Of all the flashpoints in modern judicial confirmation politics, I never thought Miguel Estrada would be the first to start a fight in this thread. :lol: In addition to the others already mentioned, Ho on CA5 and Park on CA2 are also prominent nonwhite conservatives. Would not be surprised if Park eventually gets a SCOTUS nod... but maybe the Consovoy associations will provide too much fodder for...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:33:47 am   in: Legal Employment
Wilmer is primarily a litigation firm, which makes the Vault rankings etc less useful for it. And NYC white collar in particular is boutique-heavy so the Vault rankings are [I]particularly[/i] useless. Wilmer already had an elite white-collar practice, including in New York where it's Chambers band 2, and that will continue.



I also just realized that Wilmer has a back office in Dayton--interesting.
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:24:39 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I have to say that I am not impressed with the current NY COA work product. Lots of virtually unreasoned opinions. I know Mike Garcia is very well-regarded, especially if you want to be an AUSA, but the quality of the court seems otherwise poor rn. There are some out-of-the-way SSCs that seemingly have some very well-qualified justices in addition to the obvious ones. If you're really open to anyw...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:21:00 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wait, maybe I missed something-- why not just go to a firm for a year, make bank, and THEN do a COA or dct somewhere? There's no reason you have to clerk straight out. I have a full ride at my school and I'll only approximately have about 30k in student loans after I graduate. At a summer associateship right now at my V5 and honestly not too thrilled about the firm. It is NY and I would prefer wo...
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Re: Lateral Opportunities for a Privacy First Year?  
  by: Res Ipsa Loquitter   on: June 25, at 8:16:38 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here - Yes, I was told I need to find a new job. Also was told I have at least a month and a half to find to look. The partners aren't being mean about it which is nice, but obviously I'm antsy about job prospects. Firing a first year in June is crazy. Most firms treat druggies and sex abusers better than you’re being treated. Ask them if you can have till end of 2022 — one calendar year — to ...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:13:28 am   in: Legal Employment
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:08:55 am   in: Legal Employment
Any thoughts on firms to target in NYC/BOS/DC for lit? I'm ideally looking for a boutique or plaintiff-side firm, but I know those are somewhat difficult to land. I'm a non-trad with solid work experience, somewhere within the top 5 in my class @ a decent regional, and on LR. Although I've said I am looking for litigation, any pre-oci hits I've received so far are for transactional work. I did con...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 8:07:35 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
There are, generously, maybe ten liberal feeders and semi-feeders (Srinivasan > Fletcher, Lohier, Millett, Pillard, Tatel > Barron, Calabresi, Friedland, Watford). Between them, they hire 40 clerks, of whom (conservatively) half will be from HYSC. That leaves 20 for the rest of the T14, which have 100 top-ten students. You need to be higher than "just" top-ten or have something special about your ...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:53:16 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here. Thanks everyone, this is helpful. Super frustrating because I was planning to apply more broadly, and my clerkship office told me to be selective (And never told me that HYSC had such pull over even the tippy top students at lower T14s). I did have Professors make calls, but they’re not the HYS heavy hitters and I targeted them mostly to feeders. Lesson learned. Hopefully I can land a Di...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:51:03 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wait, maybe I missed something-- why not just go to a firm for a year, make bank, and THEN do a COA or dct somewhere? There's no reason you have to clerk straight out. I have a full ride at my school and I'll only approximately have about 30k in student loans after I graduate. At a summer associateship right now at my V5 and honestly not too thrilled about the firm. It is NY and I would prefer wo...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:33:32 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I genuinely don't understand where you are getting some of this background on SSC clerkships. My firm (V20) pays a bonus for state or federal clerkships. Both are encouraged. I can think of at least 2 people in my class year who did a SSC clerkship. Both had great experiences. Why would it ever be a "negative" on your resume? The only thing I could think is some people may think it's not as presti...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: June 25, at 7:23:00 am   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:08:01 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
just reapply 3L and go to a firm for a year
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 7:00:14 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wait, maybe I missed something-- why not just go to a firm for a year, make bank, and THEN do a COA or dct somewhere? There's no reason you have to clerk straight out.
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:56:47 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here. Thanks everyone, this is helpful. Super frustrating because I was planning to apply more broadly, and my clerkship office told me to be selective (And never told me that HYSC had such pull over even the tippy top students at lower T14s). I did have Professors make calls, but they’re not the HYS heavy hitters and I targeted them mostly to feeders. Lesson learned. Hopefully I can land a Di...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:22:53 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote=LittleRedCorvette post_id=10522568 time=1656037700 user_id=170159]
Kirkland to #7 -- KE associates on suicide watch.
[/quote]



Can confirm
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:14:57 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522790 time=1656133151 user_id=45852]
Any DC Movement? I know STB sent out screeners but anything apart from that?
[/quote]

Paul Weiss has sent out screeners.
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:14:31 am   in: Legal Employment
Is there any incentive for other firms in the V20 to be the market leaders moving forward? I work at a V10 that would probably never make such a move because doing so wouldn't help their ratings in these surveys anyway.



But I'm guessing a few other firms might bump up a spot or two following the milbank model (assuming they could match a re-raise).
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:11:33 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522684 time=1656095921 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522600 time=1656065918 user_id=45852]
Latham still at #5 is peculiar. If anything KE should go to #5 and Latham should go to #7.
[/quote]
No way, LW is way harder to get than KE, and has the chambers band ranks to boot. Plus KE has a sweatshop rep.
[/quote]

:lol: :lol: this is embarrassing
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:09:20 am   in: Legal Employment
"real v10" :lol: :roll: :lol:
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: The Lsat Airbender   on: June 25, at 6:04:23 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I continue to mostly agree with the below: Quoting this from anon in another thread: Posting anonymously because I have experience with state supreme court hiring. Speaking only to out-of-state placement in large law firms, state supreme court clerkships fall into three tiers. Tier 1: California Supreme Court, Delaware Supreme Court, Delaware Court of Chancery. Destination clerkships for out-of-st...
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Re: BSF new clerk bonus  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 6:01:24 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522824 time=1656171283 user_id=45852]
The bonus is nice, but the *real* benefits will come in a couple of years when BSF joins the Dentons family. Think of the prestige!
[/quote]

Smile, for even in death you are all children of Dentons.
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:54:35 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thapar had a liberal for the last 3 years at least. But he's very conservative so that's sometimes forgotten compared to someone like Sutton or Bibas. Wait, do you think Thapar is more conservative than Bibas? I would have 100% said Bibas is more conservative. This is the guy who thinks that giving criminals electric shocks is the ideal version of punishment. *to be fair, he was more eloquent tha...
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Re: BSF new clerk bonus  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:34:43 am   in: Legal Employment
The bonus is nice, but the *real* benefits will come in a couple of years when BSF joins the Dentons family. Think of the prestige!
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:31:06 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thapar had a liberal for the last 3 years at least. But he's very conservative so that's sometimes forgotten compared to someone like Sutton or Bibas. Wait, do you think Thapar is more conservative than Bibas? I would have 100% said Bibas is more conservative. This is the guy who thinks that giving criminals electric shocks is the ideal version of punishment. *to be fair, he was more eloquent tha...
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Re: Complaining About Work as an SA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:14:48 am   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Wild Card" post_id=10522143 time=1655844280 user_id=121970]
Consider reaching out to the partner and letting him or her know that you weren't complaining.



Do what you're told or enjoy being a real estate associate.
[/quote]

Whats wrong with real estate?
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:09:18 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here. Thanks everyone, this is helpful. Super frustrating because I was planning to apply more broadly, and my clerkship office told me to be selective (And never told me that HYSC had such pull over even the tippy top students at lower T14s). I did have Professors make calls, but they’re not the HYS heavy hitters and I targeted them mostly to feeders. Lesson learned. Hopefully I can land a Di...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:08:29 am   in: Legal Employment
Lol at the poster who thinks KE associates will be embarrassed though - I think most it's just gossip and it won't affect our day to day really at all. Could have some medium to long term effects for the office, but I'll probably leave before then anyway. I have talked to K&E associates who literally used the word "embarrassed" to describe the feeling. But ok, yeah, your experience = every K&E as...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 5:01:17 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
OP here. Thanks everyone, this is helpful. Super frustrating because I was planning to apply more broadly, and my clerkship office told me to be selective (And never told me that HYSC had such pull over even the tippy top students at lower T14s). I did have Professors make calls, but they’re not the HYS heavy hitters and I targeted them mostly to feeders. Lesson learned. Hopefully I can land a Dis...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:58:18 am   in: Legal Employment
re timelines, things will move fast if they want you. I wouldn’t stress too much about application —> screener/cb as sometimes schedules just don’t work or applications slip through the cracks for a week, but everything after that should typically be <1 week turnaround. This is my experience in NY specifically. STB, for example, is typically cb—> offer within a week. anything longer than a week y...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:51:49 am   in: Legal Employment
Lol at the poster who thinks KE associates will be embarrassed though - I think most it's just gossip and it won't affect our day to day really at all. Could have some medium to long term effects for the office, but I'll probably leave before then anyway. I have talked to K&E associates who literally used the word "embarrassed" to describe the feeling. But ok, yeah, your experience = every K&E as...
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Re: HLS EIP Preview 2022  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:45:49 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone received Covington callback? It’s frustrating that the OCS tracker doesn’t differentiate between screeners and callbacks
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:45:08 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Your clerkship office committed malpractice by letting you apply with such a list, but there’s nothing wrong with the app probably. I actually think one interview for only applying to 35 very competitive judges with your grades/school is above your xG. There’s still a chance you’ll get something, but the more desirable judges on other circuits tend to also hire fast. Your second choice is someone ...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:37:39 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm at KE DC (midlevel in litigation). It's an interesting office: the heavy hitter SPs are basically all conservative former GOP SCOTUS clerk types, but the rank and file have generally been liberal (as is typical for biglaw). When KE announced it was taking on Clement and Bancroft, though, that seemed to serve as a signal to conservative law students that KE DC was a place for them. That announ...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:26:12 am   in: Legal Employment
Paying more money than other firms or raising the market is prestigious. And Vault is about prestige. So jumping for moving money is reasonable. You forget Milbank jumped 15 spots after it first raised market. You think we respect Wachtell so highly because they work their associates more than other firms? No, it's the money. They also have a reputation justified or not for being exceedingly inte...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: kolio6   on: June 25, at 4:18:49 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am one of the top ten students with LR at a lower T14 and the clerkship process has been a disaster. I applied narrowly - about 35 judges, all the feeders / others on 2/9/DC/7. I had 1 interview but silence since, and crickets from everyone else. I've now expanded my list, but hard to know if it's too late. I am demoralized and confused because I think I have strong recs + writing samples. Shou...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:03:58 am   in: Legal Employment
re timelines, things will move fast if they want you. I wouldn’t stress too much about application —> screener/cb as sometimes schedules just don’t work or applications slip through the cracks for a week, but everything after that should typically be <1 week turnaround. This is my experience in NY specifically. STB, for example, is typically cb—> offer within a week. anything longer than a week y...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 4:03:26 am   in: Legal Employment
re timelines, things will move fast if they want you. I wouldn’t stress too much about application —> screener/cb as sometimes schedules just don’t work or applications slip through the cracks for a week, but everything after that should typically be <1 week turnaround. This is my experience in NY specifically. STB, for example, is typically cb—> offer within a week. anything longer than a week y...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: KirklandSignature   on: June 25, at 3:57:11 am   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 3:53:37 am   in: Legal Employment
Anybody know how much more JD-SCOTUS clerks make compared to market rates?
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Joachim2017   on: June 25, at 3:13:54 am   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 2:45:02 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
1 for 35 with those stats is actually fairly good/expected.
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: thisismytlsuername   on: June 25, at 2:41:35 am   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 2:19:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Totally fine entering as a third year or even a second year after three clerkships. I am young (KJD) so I have lots of time to gain experience. Thanks for all the help everyone! Going to apply for SSCs very broadly. Are there any SSCs that have a bad rep or that I should avoid though?
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 2:03:48 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Expected based on the randomness of the process with the most competitive judges.



You’re a strong candidate, but that’s a very narrow application pool. Those judges are getting hundreds of applications - did you have anyone making calls to get your application pulled from the pile? Because other candidates will have done so.
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Re: Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 25, at 1:52:55 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am one of the top ten students with LR at a lower T14 and the clerkship process has been a disaster. I applied narrowly - about 35 judges, all the feeders / others on 2/9/DC/7. I had 1 interview but silence since, and crickets from everyone else. I've now expanded my list, but hard to know if it's too late. I am demoralized and confused because I think I have strong recs + writing samples. Shou...
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Re: Big Law Odds at OCI?  
  by: axiomaticapiary   on: June 25, at 1:49:34 am   in: Legal Employment
Look at your school's ABA employment numbers to find out what percentage go to large firms. Ask your career counselor for information on what percentage of students get offers from large firms at OCI (they definitely can give you a ballpark number) If you go to law school at Cardozo (the only NY school I can see around 60-70 on U.S. News), 18% of your graduates went to biglaw firms last year. A de...
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Re: California Bar Moral Character Application  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 8:57:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Submitted my CA Moral Character Application today. Now the waiting game started…. Who else is in the same boat and submitted recently? Fingers crossed for all of us. 🙏
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Glaring problem with application?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 8:44:26 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am one of the top ten students with LR at a lower T14 and the clerkship process has been a disaster. I applied narrowly - about 35 judges, all the feeders / others on 2/9/DC/7. I had 1 interview but silence since, and crickets from everyone else. I've now expanded my list, but hard to know if it's too late. I am demoralized and confused because I think I have strong recs + writing samples. Shoul...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 8:00:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yea idk. I’m coming off a COA in a year for a good judge, non feeder though. T6. I won’t apply to KE because of this. Was leaning boutique anyway with a mix of biglaw, and KE was on the list. But also I’m a nobody I guess since not a SCOTUS clerk and they likely don’t care about people like me anyway.
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 7:29:42 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I am also SSC/D/COA. Most firms will give SSC credit but many won't let you enter as a fourth year, which is reasonable IMO. Fourth year is pretty senior for never having worked in a law firm.
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 7:29:02 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thapar had a liberal for the last 3 years at least. But he's very conservative so that's sometimes forgotten compared to someone like Sutton or Bibas. Wait, do you think Thapar is more conservative than Bibas? I would have 100% said Bibas is more conservative. This is the guy who thinks that giving criminals electric shocks is the ideal version of punishment. *to be fair, he was more eloquent tha...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 7:20:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm at KE DC (midlevel in litigation). It's an interesting office: the heavy hitter SPs are basically all conservative former GOP SCOTUS clerk types, but the rank and file have generally been liberal (as is typical for biglaw). When KE announced it was taking on Clement and Bancroft, though, that seemed to serve as a signal to conservative law students that KE DC was a place for them. That announc...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: lawschoolhopeful222   on: June 24, at 7:19:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
re timelines, things will move fast if they want you. I wouldn’t stress too much about application —> screener/cb as sometimes schedules just don’t work or applications slip through the cracks for a week, but everything after that should typically be <1 week turnaround. This is my experience in NY specifically. STB, for example, is typically cb—> offer within a week. anything longer than a week y...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 7:13:34 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I gunned all the way through. I really enjoyed law school, so it didn't feel like too much of an imposition. Obviously, not everyone feels this way, but I had enough time to sustain my effort, and I just truly enjoyed learning about the law. Good for you, but not really responsive (and I doubt anyone with top grades intentionally stops trying—esp for ‘21, the back and front halves of school were ...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:59:11 pm   in: Legal Employment
Any DC Movement? I know STB sent out screeners but anything apart from that?
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:54:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
Midlevel here. Slightly higher than the current market base salary for the upcoming class year but really far from where the market is when you factor in bonuses. I’m disappointed. Would seem like I’m doing great if I ignored the compensation, but the reality is gap is now significant compared to what I can make elsewhere (particularly as I have the hours to get market bonuses). Shows where they v...
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Re: Tips to survive a long time in Biglaw?  
  by: Monochromatic Oeuvre   on: June 24, at 6:39:45 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a corporate sixth year. People who coast a long time in transactional work, and are not ripping their hair out to make partner or meeting their own personal high standards, are usually either doing things that (1) less commonly, offer enough creativity or novelty to keep them engaged and feeling mentally active or (2) more commonly, turn their brains on autopilot and churn deals that are larg...
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:32:39 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thapar had a liberal for the last 3 years at least. But he's very conservative so that's sometimes forgotten compared to someone like Sutton or Bibas. Wait, do you think Thapar is more conservative than Bibas? I would have 100% said Bibas is more conservative. This is the guy who thinks that giving criminals electric shocks is the ideal version of punishment. *to be fair, he was more eloquent tha...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: jackshunger   on: June 24, at 6:26:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that con...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:22:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
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Re: 2024-2025 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:19:51 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522747 time=1656119102 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522742 time=1656116386 user_id=45852]
[quote=demonlord340 post_id=10522363 time=1655953518 user_id=203111]
Any news on Judge Collins from the Ninth Circuit?
[/quote]

I interviewed the first week of the plan and have had radio silence since.
[/quote]

Lol same anon. 4 minutes after posting this I got the actual rejection
[/quote]

Oof. Sorry to hear, but thanks for the update.
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:05:33 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Thapar had a liberal for the last 3 years at least. But he's very conservative so that's sometimes forgotten compared to someone like Sutton or Bibas.
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 6:01:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Kirkland has just indicated that it does not value [the prestige appellate] vertical as much as it values the vertical represented by whatever transaction client(s) demanded that they step away from 2A cases. Top graduates who can pick between, say, K&E or GDC or Susman (and yes, I know firsthand folks who chose in the recent past chose Kirkland over Susman) will now have little to no reason to p...
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:52:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
K&E partner here. Share partner, fwiw. We didn't fire Clement. We told Clement that he should not take on any more 2A representations going forward. I'm not aware of any particular client(s) demanding that the firm step away from these, but there are many of us here who believe the tragedy in Uvalde is a tipping point and we cannot in good faith as a firm continue to advocate for clients that cont...
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:46:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
Had screener today (Friday) afternoon - would they be giving out callback invites over the weekend or would they wait until Monday/Tuesday?
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Re: Lateral Opportunities for a Privacy First Year?  
  by: lawschool04!   on: June 24, at 5:43:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
Sorry to hear this! As an incoming privacy associate, can we get some more context?
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Re: Lateralled to Big Law - How to Ask for Work?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:15:43 pm   in: Legal Employment
Ok so, I was in your shoes at one point (biglaw lateral from in-house as a midlevel) and I'm going to give you the real story. Every firm operates like this to some extent or another, even if they have an assigning partner. E.g., my firm, which had a strict assigning system, still had plenty of partners who doled out work in this way. 1. No one knows you. Especially now during COVID when no one i...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:15:25 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I gunned all the way through. I really enjoyed law school, so it didn't feel like too much of an imposition. Obviously, not everyone feels this way, but I had enough time to sustain my effort, and I just truly enjoyed learning about the law.
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Re: Chance of big laws in NYC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:15:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Current 3L at one of those schools currently summering at a NY V50. You're competitive for pretty much all NY firms outside of Cravath, Wachtell, or the elite litigation boutiques (I wouldn't say it's impossible but I've just never met anyone going to any of those places so I wouldn't know). I know people summering at several V10 firms with around that GPA so you should basically just blanket app...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:08:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
+1 re: not moving the needle much. Don't get me wrong, I work at WH and think it's awesome. But I think Bharara coming to WH just emphasizes something that lots of practitioners and clients already knew but fewer law noticed. The rankings skew heavily toward (more profitable/prestige-oriented) corporate practices, but when it comes to litigation (and investigations/white collar) WH is top tier han...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 5:05:05 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I know that firms don't really give class year credit or bonus for SSCs but I'm fine with that. I was thinking that if I had an SSC under my belt it could also maybe help me, even a little, when I apply for circuits or district court clerkships in the 2024 terms. Is that a correct take, in regard to this slight improvement thing? If not, is it at the very least neutral. My fear is that it may be ...
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Re: Nevada Supreme Court  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:45:40 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote=adams20209 post_id=10522213 time=1655885641 user_id=200492]
Hi all,



I am an out of state applicant. Do you suppose they will be okay with a virtual interview if selected? Or will it be held against me?
[/quote]

I have direct knowledge that (Silver, Cadish, Herndon) hold virtual interviews and have hired on that basis in the past. Silver will interview in-person in Las Vegas, unsure of the other two (who are stationed in Carson City, but travel back and forth).
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Re: When to Stop Applying to Clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:43:03 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I'll add that I struck out completely for a little under two years. Two interviews and no job. Next cycle, without any substantial change to my resume but after polishing my writing sample a bit more, I had seven interview requests. I took a job with one of the judges who had interviewed me the prior year and was delighted I reapplied. The judge then made one phone call that, in my opinion, secure...
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Re: WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:42:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
It was always a highly sought after office that is a notch more selective than its New York litigation peers like Debevoise, S&C, etc. The addition of Bharara probably won't affect much. When Loretta Lynch went to Paul Weiss, not much changed there. Same thing with Eric Holder going to Covington. Famous government folks become biglaw attorneys all the time.
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:35:22 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I know that firms don't really give class year credit or bonus for SSCs but I'm fine with that. I was thinking that if I had an SSC under my belt it could also maybe help me, even a little, when I apply for circuits or district court clerkships in the 2024 terms. Is that a correct take, in regard to this slight improvement thing? If not, is it at the very least neutral. My fear is that it may be ...
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WilmerHale NY?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:28:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
Now that they have Bharara, are they going to be a major player in the NY investigations scene? If so, anyone have a sense of culture/selectivity/workflow? There isn't much about them on TLS besides how sick their office is
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Re: Lateralled to Big Law - How to Ask for Work?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:26:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote=BrowsingTLS post_id=10522663 time=1656089462 user_id=244325]
Step 1. Don't.
[/quote]

Why??
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Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: Res Ipsa Loquitter   on: June 24, at 4:17:31 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522389 time=1655989182 user_id=45852]
O'Melveny NY is catering lunch to the office for summer associates, and [u][i]charging[/i][/u] regular associates and counsel $10 per lunch if they choose to join the summers.
[/quote]

It’s insane that their partners thought this was a good business decision. They may have a saved a few thousand bucks, and in exchange they’re going to be roasted on TLS and probably ATL — and thousands of associates will see it.
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Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: Yea All Right   on: June 24, at 4:12:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
BSF and O'Melveny to V200.
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Re: Tips to survive a long time in Biglaw?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:08:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a corporate sixth year. People who coast a long time in transactional work, and are not ripping their hair out to make partner or meeting their own personal high standards, are usually either doing things that (1) less commonly, offer enough creativity or novelty to keep them engaged and feeling mentally active or (2) more commonly, turn their brains on autopilot and churn deals that are larg...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 4:05:08 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I know a lot of people who did SSC clerkships and it turned out well for all of them. They were basically split between T14 grads coming back to their home state, T14 grads who wanted to spend a year somewhere interesting before going back to major city biglaw, and top students from local schools. This was a secondary market. I think it’s going to be most helpful if you want to work in that market...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:57:18 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Alternative view is to accept that the plan didn’t go your way and continue to apply as postings open throughout the year. Not all judges are on plan and not all finish within a couple weeks of the plan. Many have their own timelines. If you don’t get one, go back to your firm and keep at it. I didn’t apply until 3L and just kept applying as I saw openings trickle up on Oscar or clerkship office a...
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Re: Tips to survive a long time in Biglaw?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:53:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a corporate sixth year. People who coast a long time in transactional work, and are not ripping their hair out to make partner or meeting their own personal high standards, are usually either doing things that (1) less commonly, offer enough creativity or novelty to keep them engaged and feeling mentally active or (2) more commonly, turn their brains on autopilot and churn deals that are larg...
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Re: London COLA  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:38:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
What year do CM associates usually make this lateral move to London?
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:33:05 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Sung (Portland) is full per OSCAR.
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:27:00 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wilkinson, Thapar, and Sutton hire liberals but Pryor and Katsas don't. Going down a tier, Grant, Newsom, and Bibas all do. Thapar hasn't hired a liberal in a while. He had one last year who also clerked for Chabria. Also there are clerks who might appear "conservative" because they clerk for conservative judges but are personally liberal or centrist (this is especially true given how much harder...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:24:23 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Imo SSCs generally have more interesting dockets than federal courts—they get all the stuff federal ones do, plus common law and constitutional stuff with leeway to change the law, minus the worst parts of the federal docket like Social Security, etc. Depending on the court’s jurisdiction, they typically just don’t grant cert on anything uninteresting. Many SSC judges are also federal-quality, inc...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:22:03 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
T14, top 10%, and on LR. Unfortunately I struck out on the plan despite 100s of apps to a fairly broad amount of circuits and districts. Talked to the clerkship office and they gave me a pitch on state supreme courts and honestly... it sounds kind of awesome? I am thinking of sending out a bunch of apps to state supreme courts that I have any—no matter how small—connection to. I have a few questi...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:18:25 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
T14, top 10%, and on LR. Unfortunately I struck out on the plan despite 100s of apps to a fairly broad amount of circuits and districts. Talked to the clerkship office and they gave me a pitch on state supreme courts and honestly... it sounds kind of awesome? I am thinking of sending out a bunch of apps to state supreme courts that I have any—no matter how small—connection to. I have a few questi...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:16:05 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Definitely shoot for New Jersey Supreme Court before NY Court of Appeals. In New York City at least, the former has a solidly stronger reputation.
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Re: Feeder Judge Ratings OT 2016 - 2020 (and a bit beyond)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:15:23 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Wilkinson, Thapar, and Sutton hire liberals but Pryor and Katsas don't. Going down a tier, Grant, Newsom, and Bibas all do. Thapar hasn't hired a liberal in a while. He had one last year who also clerked for Chabria. Also there are clerks who might appear "conservative" because they clerk for conservative judges but are personally liberal or centrist (this is especially true given how much harder...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:14:45 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
There are definitely tiers. I wanna say you have Ca and ny Then I dunno maybe MA and TX and a couple others? Then the rest. This is obviously a terrible list, but the point is that they are not created equal prestige-wise; far from it. But the biggest pro of doing it is that it gives you another year to land fedclerk. Your creds are great. Start applying immediately once you land a ssc. OP. So hy...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:12:07 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
My grades dropped a lot 3L—if I had gotten those grades all three years, I would not have graduated magna, and certainly would not have gotten a top clerkship. I was a ‘21 grad and I think it was mostly (1) that I didn’t adapt to remote stuff as well as others, (2) that lots of profs made big changes to their evaluation formats in ways that did not favor me, and (3) a death in the family right bef...
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Re: 3L / Alum Timing?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:11:46 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I don't really think there is an optimal timing for 3Ls. Judges are going to be posting on OSCAR throughout the year. Applying sooner is better than later imo unless you think your application is going to be a lot different in a semester. Just keep checking and keep applying to judges that interest you. You're off-plan now so no purpose in waiting for some arbitrary point to launch all of your app...
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Re: Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: June 24, at 3:09:37 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
There are definitely tiers.



I wanna say you have Ca and ny

Then I dunno maybe MA and TX and a couple others?

Then the rest. This is obviously a terrible list, but the point is that they are not created equal prestige-wise; far from it.



But the biggest pro of doing it is that it gives you another year to land fedclerk. Your creds are great. Start applying immediately once you land a ssc.
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Struck Out On Plan—State Supreme Court?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:06:44 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
T14, top 10%, and on LR. Unfortunately I struck out on the plan despite 100s of apps to a fairly broad amount of circuits and districts. Talked to the clerkship office and they gave me a pitch on state supreme courts and honestly... it sounds kind of awesome? I am thinking of sending out a bunch of apps to state supreme courts that I have any—no matter how small—connection to. I have a few questio...
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Re: 2024-2025 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 3:05:02 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522742 time=1656116386 user_id=45852]
[quote=demonlord340 post_id=10522363 time=1655953518 user_id=203111]
Any news on Judge Collins from the Ninth Circuit?
[/quote]

I interviewed the first week of the plan and have had radio silence since.
[/quote]

Lol same anon. 4 minutes after posting this I got the actual rejection
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Re: Bad cycle with a 172 - should I retake the LSAT?  
  by: talons2250   on: June 24, at 2:50:49 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If you like your consulting job and it pays well, I suggest you stay there and don't go to law school at all. You might enjoy the three years of law school, but the actual practice of law is unpleasant for many people and it's only a minority of lawyers who are truly fulfilled in their careers. You could go through the whole song and dance of law school, accrue debt, and end up in a job you like l...
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Re: Cravath DC?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:46:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
You ever been in a game 7 of the World Series? Everything on the line, the whole stadium looking at you, following your every move? Every ounce of hardwork, skill, discipline, flowing into your at bat? This is your moment, your chance to turn the tide of the Big Game. The massive crowd is hushed, there's the pitch, ball coming like fire straight down the middle, your muscles twitch as you get rea...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:37:32 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Unfortunately, yeah. I'll keep exact details to myself, but my grades declined a fair amount after I got my clerkship. In part, I think that the pandemic really disrupted my academic ability - fully remote classes, little contact with my 1L friends - but ultimately the buck stops with me, right? I feel a little bit like I'm letting my judge down, honestly. This happened to me too. I was boderline...
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Re: 2024-2025 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:31:34 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[delete]
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Re: 2024-2025 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:19:46 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote=demonlord340 post_id=10522363 time=1655953518 user_id=203111]
Any news on Judge Collins from the Ninth Circuit?
[/quote]

I interviewed the first week of the plan and have had radio silence since.
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:16:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522737 time=1656114404 user_id=45852]
How’d people make out? I’ve heard mixed things—some with small bumps and others on par with last year’s significant raises. I’m a midlevel in a secondary market with about a 25% kick this year but still, as always, below market when including bonuses.
[/quote]

I'm happy, but I haven't heard from many others. Any other midlevels out there?
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:09:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522718 time=1656105569 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522352 time=1655946229 user_id=45852]
Anyone heard back from Debevoise & Plimpton or still pending?
[/quote]

Had a CB this week, they said we'd hear back next week.
[/quote]

Anyone else have their CB last week with Debevoise? I have not heard back yet, despite being told I'd hear back this week. Is this a waitlist/reject?
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: nervous1Llol   on: June 24, at 2:05:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522718 time=1656105569 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522352 time=1655946229 user_id=45852]
Anyone heard back from Debevoise & Plimpton or still pending?
[/quote]

Had a CB this week, they said we'd hear back next week.
[/quote]

Anyone else who had a CB with Debevoise last week? I still have not heard back, despite them saying I should hear back this week.
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 2:03:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522729 time=1656110924 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522712 time=1656102837 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522682 time=1656095166 user_id=45852]
Yes, NLGs got bumped to 235.
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Effectively means NLGs 10k under market for 2022
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That’s assuming you all hit 2,000 hours.. which most firms require for a bonus. And the NLG structure isn’t set up in a way that is helpful for billing that many hours. Enjoy less work and a little less pay.
[/quote]

Pretty sure all NLGs got bumped, regardless of hours.
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 1:46:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
How’d people make out? I’ve heard mixed things—some with small bumps and others on par with last year’s significant raises. I’m a midlevel in a secondary market with about a 25% kick this year but still, as always, below market when including bonuses.
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 1:43:47 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522730 time=1656110987 user_id=45852]
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522723 time=1656108143 user_id=45852]
Anyone know if Paez, M. Smith, or Clifton have moved?
[/quote]

Smith has moved
[/quote]

Any idea if he’s done?
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Re: Professors with connections at Berkeley  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: June 24, at 1:16:43 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Orin Kerr is like, far and away the most important Fourth Amendment scholar in the country and incredibly well-respected. A highly complementary rec letter from him would go very, very far in any chambers
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Re: Cravath DC?  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: June 24, at 1:13:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
You ever been in a game 7 of the World Series? Everything on the line, the whole stadium looking at you, following your every move? Every ounce of hardwork, skill, discipline, flowing into your at bat? This is your moment, your chance to turn the tide of the Big Game. The massive crowd is hushed, there's the pitch, ball coming like fire straight down the middle, your muscles twitch as you get rea...
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Re: My Firm is So Cheap That They . . .  
  by: LBJ's Hair   on: June 24, at 1:11:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
[quote="Anonymous User" post_id=10522389 time=1655989182 user_id=45852]
O'Melveny NY is catering lunch to the office for summer associates, and [u][i]charging[/i][/u] regular associates and counsel $10 per lunch if they choose to join the summers.
[/quote]

I would start looking for another job immediately that is comical
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Re: 2024-2025 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:50:44 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
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[quote=demonlord340 post_id=10522363 time=1655953518 user_id=203111]
Any news on Judge Collins from the Ninth Circuit?
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Hired one so far that I know of for 24-25. Hastings student
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Do you know what day he sent out either of these offers?
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No idea about days but I heard he moved on the first week
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Re: Kirkland Megathread  
  by: Joachim2017   on: June 24, at 12:50:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
The point isn't that litigators are drawn to conservative causes, it's that they (for better or worse) care about things like preffftige, how much a firm values its litigation practice, brass rings, etc. Throwing away the biggest name in appellate litigation for some random corporate client sends powerful signals to this crowd. Maybe the firm doesn't care about catering to this crowd. That's comp...
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:49:47 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Anyone know if Paez, M. Smith, or Clifton have moved?
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Smith has moved
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:48:44 pm   in: Legal Employment
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Yes, NLGs got bumped to 235.
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Effectively means NLGs 10k under market for 2022
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That’s assuming you all hit 2,000 hours.. which most firms require for a bonus. And the NLG structure isn’t set up in a way that is helpful for billing that many hours. Enjoy less work and a little less pay.
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Re: Chance of big laws in NYC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:47:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Current 3L at one of those schools currently summering at a NY V50. You're competitive for pretty much all NY firms outside of Cravath, Wachtell, or the elite litigation boutiques (I wouldn't say it's impossible but I've just never met anyone going to any of those places so I wouldn't know). I know people summering at several V10 firms with around that GPA so you should basically just blanket app...
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Re: Chance of big laws in NYC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:34:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
Current 3L at one of those schools currently summering at a NY V50. You're competitive for pretty much all NY firms outside of Cravath, Wachtell, or the elite litigation boutiques (I wouldn't say it's impossible but I've just never met anyone going to any of those places so I wouldn't know). I know people summering at several V10 firms with around that GPA so you should basically just blanket app...
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Re: Chance of big laws in NYC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:30:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm T70 in NY, 3.4 gpa, slightly above 25%, no journals or moot court. Anyone have an idea for my odds? Probably not great, but it would also be more helpful if you could just name the school? I assume this isn't Fordham (where'd I'd think you'd have an OK shot). fordham is in the 30s or something, might be dozo. If it’s SJU I assume they’re SOL. you should apply everywhere but not a great chance...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:05:34 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Unfortunately, yeah. I'll keep exact details to myself, but my grades declined a fair amount after I got my clerkship. In part, I think that the pandemic really disrupted my academic ability - fully remote classes, little contact with my 1L friends - but ultimately the buck stops with me, right? I feel a little bit like I'm letting my judge down, honestly.
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:05:34 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 12:02:23 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone know if Paez, M. Smith, or Clifton have moved?
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Re: Tips to survive a long time in Biglaw?  
  by: Monochromatic Oeuvre   on: June 24, at 11:59:49 am   in: Legal Employment
Literally nothing about a law school exam is applicable to being a long-lasting associate in the average corporate Biglaw practice. As a junior, in order to build up professional capital you can bank over time, you'll need to: -Respond to emails quickly -Generally be aware of the status of all the docs on your deals -Learn what changes in docs you regularly come across (names, dates, key economic ...
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 11:53:33 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Re: Big Law Odds at OCI?  
  by: lawguy2355   on: June 24, at 11:41:44 am   in: Legal Employment
OP here, I'm also a POC and part of a dispute resolution group that competes against other schools.
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Re: Bad cycle with a 172 - should I retake the LSAT?  
  by: tut7   on: June 24, at 11:25:44 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
retake the LSAT



I'm amazed by how many tell me how learnable that test is



I've seen people with average SATs get 175



Amazing
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 11:19:29 am   in: Legal Employment
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Anyone heard back from Debevoise & Plimpton or still pending?
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Had a CB this week, they said we'd hear back next week.
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Re: Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:57:26 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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For those who were / are / know of feeder clerks—did your grades slip 3L after you were hired or were most of y’all continuing with straight H’s / A’s gunning for SCOTUS or just being that good? How many P’s / B’s did you end up with?
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None
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Re: 2022 Pre-OCI Megathread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:57:01 am   in: Legal Employment
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RE: whether to bid on a firm that ignored your pre-OCI application -- per my career services office, definitely! The only bar is if you strike out after interviewing with them.
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Or if they explicitly decide not to interview you. If you just hear nothing you should bid on them again for OCI (if you really want them).
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Feeder Grades Post-Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:43:49 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
For those who were / are / know of feeder clerks—did your grades slip 3L after you were hired or were most of y’all continuing with straight H’s / A’s gunning for SCOTUS or just being that good? How many P’s / B’s did you end up with?
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:41:54 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Has Sorokin moved? Anybody know?
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Yep Sorokin has moved and hired at least 1 (and this was like on two days after the plan so I assume he has hired more).
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Re: 2023-2024 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:39:45 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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Koh is done. Any news on Fletcher or Berzon? Berzon's posting says she is reviewing apps starting yesterday (Jun. 23).
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Fletcher is done.
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Re: Jones Day Compensation Data Points  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:33:57 am   in: Legal Employment
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Yes, NLGs got bumped to 235.
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Effectively means NLGs 10k under market for 2022
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:32:25 am   in: Public Interest & Government
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No word back yet!
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Here either.
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Re: 2024-2025 Clerkship Application Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:18:41 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
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3L / Alum Timing?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 10:13:46 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
What's the conventional wisdom on optimal timing for 3L and alum apps? My thoughts were: 1) January / Feb after 3L fall grades come out in case judges are constantly reviewing, in order to hit the nice little interview space where 2L's can't go yet 2) March / April where apps will actually be read pre-plan, with potential hiring in March-May 3) March / April where apps will actually be read pre-pl...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 9:56:37 am   in: Legal Employment
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I know the regional Vault rankings matter even less than the pointless nationwide rankings but for shits & giggles…



Big losers in NYC:

• S&C: -2 (#3 to #5)

• Cleary: -3 (#8 to #11)

• Debevoise: -3 (#9 to #12)
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Those haven't been updated yet. The only update is to the 100 ranking.
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Re: Onboarding Time  
  by: persia1921   on: June 24, at 9:55:56 am   in: Legal Employment
Probably does not matter much—don’t think I was asked to do anything before my start date.



Personally I’d want at least a week or two but I don’t think it’s required by any means.
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: nealric   on: June 24, at 9:50:30 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone choosing Milbank because of its now higher vault rank is ridiculous. Applicants will pick a firm they perceive as a market mover on salaries, because that suggests firm financial health. A higher correlating vault rank may drive some additional applicants. Is that ridiculous? No. Because Milbank is about to bring in a bunch of more competitive applicants than in years past. And that trend ...
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 9:49:02 am   in: Legal Employment
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Genuinely curious what makes a "true elite" corporate firm, if not profitability.
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Think about why the Lakers are prestigious despite sucking recently (bubble chip doesn't count)
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 9:47:10 am   in: Legal Employment
Genuinely curious what makes a "true elite" corporate firm, if not profitability.
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 9:43:28 am   in: Legal Employment
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Re: 2023 Vault/Firsthand Rankings  
  by: Anonymous User   on: June 24, at 9:39:12 am   in: Legal Employment
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