H/S Straight Ps - which firms Forum

[Anonymous User]

I am probably going to finish this year with straight Ps. Which firms should i realistically be looking at? I'm okay with going anywhere.

[Biglaw1990]

I am probably going to finish this year with straight Ps. Which firms should i realistically be looking at? I'm okay with going anywhere.

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[Anonymous User]

If you're at H, then you should probably target NY corporate positions, between V 20 - V100 range. I don't know how S fares in the east coast -- I haven't met very many S students. Nothing is guaranteed, of course, and straight P will probably make things a bit dicey for you, but I don't think it's a terrible shot. I'm not sure how students with literally straight P fared, but I know a friend or two with 1H and at V 35 range. NY litigation is riskier and I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a strong preference for it.

[Anonymous User]

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[TripTrip]

I am probably going to finish this year with straight Ps. Which firms should i realistically be looking at? I'm okay with going anywhere.

Any firms that aren't on the Vault Selectivity list. Cut those out and make 35 bids on all the other firms in your target market. Don't bid more than 30% DC or California.

Over the past two years, more than 90% of students with straight Ps left EIP with an offer. Those who didn't, didn't follow the above three sentences.

[Anonymous User]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

[TripTrip]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

For what?

I guess you're not going to get latin honors if you keep getting straight Ps. But otherwise not really.

[Anonymous User]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

For what?

I guess you're not going to get latin honors if you keep getting straight Ps. But otherwise not really.

Down the road for lateraling or going in-house or other exit ops?

[TripTrip]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

For what?

I guess you're not going to get latin honors if you keep getting straight Ps. But otherwise not really.

Down the road for lateraling or going in-house or other exit ops?

Not really relevant. Do you put your undergraduate GPA on your law firm resume?

[Anonymous User]

I am probably going to finish this year with straight Ps. Which firms should i realistically be looking at? I'm okay with going anywhere.

SRZ. You can thank me later.

[Anonymous User]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

For what?

I guess you're not going to get latin honors if you keep getting straight Ps. But otherwise not really.

Down the road for lateraling or going in-house or other exit ops?

Not really relevant. Do you put your undergraduate GPA on your law firm resume?

Thanks!

This is really the answer I've been hoping to hear, but have seen some conflicting posts about grades always mattering when trying to move away from your first BigLaw job.

[Anonymous User]

Increased odds of no offer with straight P's? Or are you pretty safe with a 100% or near 100% offer firm?

[Anonymous User]

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[TripTrip]

Increased odds of no offer with straight P's? Or are you pretty safe with a 100% or near 100% offer firm?

Increased odds from, say, 4Hs. But you're still pretty safe if you bid conservatively.

[Anonymous User]

I'm referring to straight P's as a 2L hurting your chances of getting a full time offer from your SA.

Or does being at YHS likely protect you a bit?

[stretchedtoothin]

I'm referring to straight P's as a 2L hurting your chances of getting a full time offer from your SA.

Or does being at YHS likely protect you a bit?

if a firm gives you an offer of summer employment based on one year of straight P's, they aren't going to no offer you for a second year of straight Ps.

[Anonymous User]

Yes but what if you went median -> straight P's

[PMan99]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

For what?

I guess you're not going to get latin honors if you keep getting straight Ps. But otherwise not really.

Down the road for lateraling or going in-house or other exit ops?

Not really relevant. Do you put your undergraduate GPA on your law firm resume?

The undergrad GPA isn't a great analogy. If you were switching jobs 2 years after undergrad, you might very well put your undergraduate GPA on your resume. Especially if you are trying to lateral to other biglaw firms as a junior (or juniorish midlevel), they want to see grades, and grades matter.

[Anonymous User]

Do Straight Ps matter after EIP?

For what?

I guess you're not going to get latin honors if you keep getting straight Ps. But otherwise not really.

Down the road for lateraling or going in-house or other exit ops?

Not really relevant. Do you put your undergraduate GPA on your law firm resume?

The undergrad GPA isn't a great analogy. If you were switching jobs 2 years after undergrad, you might very well put your undergraduate GPA on your resume. Especially if you are trying to lateral to other biglaw firms as a junior (or juniorish midlevel), they want to see grades, and grades matter.

After how many years does it begin to matter less?

[cjw564]

The difference between H and S is noticeable for OP.

If you are at S, you will most likely get a V20 in NYC because so few SLS students want to work in the NY market.

On the other hand, if you are at H, the sheer number of people competing for all the major markets (NY/DC/Cali) will put you at a huge disadvantage. However, vault is NOT a good guide for grade selectivity. Cravath is in play with straight p's at HLS but Sullcrom is definitely out unless you are the son/daughter of a partner or major client. It all depends on you personal circumstances - if you have top notch work experience and a compelling story, you are competitive for all the NY firms other than Wachtell/Sullcrom/highly competitive boutiques.

However, if you are a kjd with straight p's at HLS and nothing shines on your resume - try to get an inhouse internship with a MAJOR corporation this summer to demonstrate your ability to work with and understand their clients. Failing that, stay away from even semi-competitive firms (Vault's guide on selectivity is a good metric to use) and focus on NYC/YOUR HOME MARKET.

[nothingtosee]

The difference between H and S is noticeable for OP.

If you are at S, you will most likely get a V20 in NYC because so few SLS students want to work in the NY market.

On the other hand, if you are at H, the sheer number of people competing for all the major markets (NY/DC/Cali) will put you at a huge disadvantage. However, vault is NOT a good guide for grade selectivity. Cravath is in play with straight p's at HLS but Sullcrom is definitely out unless you are the son/daughter of a partner or major client. It all depends on you personal circumstances - if you have top notch work experience and a compelling story, you are competitive for all the NY firms other than Wachtell/Sullcrom/highly competitive boutiques.

However, if you are a kjd with straight p's at HLS and nothing shines on your resume - try to get an inhouse internship with a MAJOR corporation this summer to demonstrate your ability to work with and understand their clients. Failing that, stay away from even semi-competitive firms (Vault's guide on selectivity is a good metric to use) and focus on NYC/YOUR HOME MARKET.

This is bad don't listen to it

[jbagelboy]

The difference between H and S is noticeable for OP.

If you are at S, you will most likely get a V20 in NYC because so few SLS students want to work in the NY market.

On the other hand, if you are at H, the sheer number of people competing for all the major markets (NY/DC/Cali) will put you at a huge disadvantage. However, vault is NOT a good guide for grade selectivity. Cravath is in play with straight p's at HLS but Sullcrom is definitely out unless you are the son/daughter of a partner or major client. It all depends on you personal circumstances - if you have top notch work experience and a compelling story, you are competitive for all the NY firms other than Wachtell/Sullcrom/highly competitive boutiques.

However, if you are a kjd with straight p's at HLS and nothing shines on your resume - try to get an inhouse internship with a MAJOR corporation this summer to demonstrate your ability to work with and understand their clients. Failing that, stay away from even semi-competitive firms (Vault's guide on selectivity is a good metric to use) and focus on NYC/YOUR HOME MARKET.

Yea you must be like a Stanford summer at S&C or something because this is some strange cross between an S&C troll (you're not getting Cravath with straight P's without some incredible factor) and an SLS troll.

You will need 2-3 H's to be competitive at the csm/dpw level firm and maybe 4 for S&C, although it can happen with less. Wachtell and S&C are not in the same bracket of selectivity. But assuming straight P's, none of the V5 will be your targets.

[Anonymous User]

The difference between H and S is noticeable for OP.

If you are at S, you will most likely get a V20 in NYC because so few SLS students want to work in the NY market.

On the other hand, if you are at H, the sheer number of people competing for all the major markets (NY/DC/Cali) will put you at a huge disadvantage. However, vault is NOT a good guide for grade selectivity. Cravath is in play with straight p's at HLS but Sullcrom is definitely out unless you are the son/daughter of a partner or major client. It all depends on you personal circumstances - if you have top notch work experience and a compelling story, you are competitive for all the NY firms other than Wachtell/Sullcrom/highly competitive boutiques.

However, if you are a kjd with straight p's at HLS and nothing shines on your resume - try to get an inhouse internship with a MAJOR corporation this summer to demonstrate your ability to work with and understand their clients. Failing that, stay away from even semi-competitive firms (Vault's guide on selectivity is a good metric to use) and focus on NYC/YOUR HOME MARKET.

Yea you must be like a Stanford summer at S&C or something because this is some strange cross between an S&C troll (you're not getting Cravath with straight P's without some incredible factor) and an SLS troll.

You will need 2-3 H's to be competitive at the csm/dpw level firm and maybe 4 for S&C, although it can happen with less. Wachtell and S&C are not in the same bracket of selectivity. But assuming straight P's, none of the V5 will be your targets.

FWIW S&C's grade cuttoff at HLS seems ancedotally to be a pretty firm (and automatic!) 6 Hs. Every single person with I know with 6 Hs, including a poor interviewer/KJD with 6, got a callback and every single person with 5 or fewer, including a dazzling interviewer with 5, did not.

[jbagelboy]

The difference between H and S is noticeable for OP.

If you are at S, you will most likely get a V20 in NYC because so few SLS students want to work in the NY market.

On the other hand, if you are at H, the sheer number of people competing for all the major markets (NY/DC/Cali) will put you at a huge disadvantage. However, vault is NOT a good guide for grade selectivity. Cravath is in play with straight p's at HLS but Sullcrom is definitely out unless you are the son/daughter of a partner or major client. It all depends on you personal circumstances - if you have top notch work experience and a compelling story, you are competitive for all the NY firms other than Wachtell/Sullcrom/highly competitive boutiques.

However, if you are a kjd with straight p's at HLS and nothing shines on your resume - try to get an inhouse internship with a MAJOR corporation this summer to demonstrate your ability to work with and understand their clients. Failing that, stay away from even semi-competitive firms (Vault's guide on selectivity is a good metric to use) and focus on NYC/YOUR HOME MARKET.

Yea you must be like a Stanford summer at S&C or something because this is some strange cross between an S&C troll (you're not getting Cravath with straight P's without some incredible factor) and an SLS troll.

You will need 2-3 H's to be competitive at the csm/dpw level firm and maybe 4 for S&C, although it can happen with less. Wachtell and S&C are not in the same bracket of selectivity. But assuming straight P's, none of the V5 will be your targets.

FWIW S&C's grade cuttoff at HLS seems ancedotally to be a pretty firm (and automatic!) 6 Hs. Every single person with I know with 6 Hs, including a poor interviewer/KJD with 6, got a callback and every single person with 5 or fewer, including a dazzling interviewer with 5, did not.

Fair enough. My bad. I don't think it could be that different from comparable top firms though (IME).

[PeanutsNJam]

This is weird, there is someone from WUSTL with a S&C summer. I've heard top 5% around here is good enough for V5 (minus WLRK, which is basically impossible from WUSTL). Now you're saying you need 6 HP's from H as well? What's the estimate class rank of a 6 HP person?