Chances at HLS and others (URM/327 GRE/Veteran
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Chances at HLS and others (URM/327 GRE/Veteran
Thanks in advance for your input.
My stats are as follows:
URM (AA Male); children of immigrants
UG GPA 3.75 (CS)
I have not taken the LSAT, however I recently took the GRE with 165V/162Q (have not received official score for AWA, I would imagine 5.0); ETS score calculator equates it to 169 LSAT.
Current business school student at a top ranked business school.
Military veteran; ~10 years in special operations (think Navy SEAL/Army SF)
What are my chances at the following schools: HLS, Yale, Columbia, NYU, UChicago, and Penn?
Thanks again.
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GRE scores are tough to make predictions for because the ETS conversion does not provide you with anything resembling an accurate equivalent LSAT score.
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Also, if have a top MBA, law school will probably reduce your earning potential, so that's something to think about.
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While all things being equal, LSAT is the path of least resistance, given your strong GRE and overall strength of your candidacy, I see no reason to take the LSAT.
Finally — I have been a partner in top law firms for several decades, this notion that the MBA will reduce your earning potential is ludicrous. To the contrary, it will make you attractive both for leading corporate law firms as well major investment banks and and private equity outfits, not to mention in house corporate department. Employers will admire and salivate over your service record, knowing they are getting a mature candidate who can write a book about operating under pressure and working in teams.
So — I salute you and go for it full speed ahead.
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As to the schools: Yale is always an enigma. Your service record, maturity and MBA will be very appealing to them. They like older folks with unusual experiences. But chances for all folks are insanely low, irrespective of accomplishments. Harvard admits a lot of GRE candidates (!) and likewise will love your MBA and service record. Penn and NYU seem very likely to me. Not sure about Columbia and UChicago — they seem very score driven, but I may be wrong.
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Eh, this is only true to some extent. For most goals, I'd rather be median at HLS than top-10% at Boston College. More importantly, it's impossible to know a priori if one will do "really well" in law school.
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This.The Lsat Airbender wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:38 pmEh, this is only true to some extent. For most goals, I'd rather be median at HLS than top-10% at Boston College. More importantly, it's impossible to know a priori if one will do "really well" in law school.
Advising someone to take a lower-ranked school and "just do really well" is ridiculous. You cannot predict law school performance, and you do not get a second shot at 1L.
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My moderation of the site doesn't preclude me from calling out absurd and dangerous advice.007sean wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:23 amListen — i did not advise him to take a lower ranked school. I am saying that If he cannot get into an elite school, he can more than make up for it by going to a lesser school. There is more way than one to make it happen. I have been at it for almost thirty year at elite Wall Street and west coats firms, and chaired recruiting committees. Moreover , as moderator, you should develop some manners and learn how to disagree in a polite and respectful way. I am on this site to give folks some real world feedback. I do not need waste time here if you are going to rudely dismiss my views.
And I echo nixy's question. Why would your 30 years of experience as a partner give you any insight into the current law school admissions process? When you applied to law school, it was an entirely different environment, from admissions to hiring.
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I can tell you with certainty that elite firms would take a say Cardozo Law Review member over the bottom 25% at a Columbia or NYU. Have a look at where partners at the major NY firms went to law school. You will see lots of Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn Law etc.
It helps a lot to come across as mature, ambitious and with a sense of humor.
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I find it a helpful exercise to solicit these insights and differing perspectives.
I'm planning on applying this fall and will likely retake the GRE before doing so.
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Why is it good for a mod to come across as ambitious?007sean wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:37 amWhen you are heavily involved in recruiting, you must be informed. It’s salient information. Moreover, my son recently went through the process. As to previous topic.
I can tell you with certainty that elite firms would take a say Cardozo Law Review member over the bottom 25% at a Columbia or NYU. Have a look at where partners at the major NY firms went to law school. You will see lots of Fordham, Cardozo, Brooklyn Law etc.
It helps a lot to come across as mature, ambitious and with a sense of humor.
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OK. Time to return to my day job. Hope my input is helpful. Good luck to all.
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I don't think it will really affect where you get in, but it certainly gives you a lovely flexibility to pick any school that accepts you, and not to have to weigh scholarships as a factor.
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I don’t think ambition is remotely relevant for a moderator, which is why I asked.
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My score was 328 (164V/164Q).
I think I am going to apply with that and see how it goes.
Any additional thoughts? Perhaps it would make more sense to apply with the original score since I scored slightly higher on the verbal section (165V vs 164V).
I appreciate the input!
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