165/3.97 ED Penn Chances? Forum

[breathbecomesairr1]

Hi all,

3.97 / 165 LSAT
Currently K-JD, Non-URM.
Excellent 2 LORs written by professors who singlehandedly told me they'd write one heck of a good LOR.
Also was the only/head TA of 300+ students in a business-related undergrad for one of the professors mentioned there.

Fortune 500 junior year internship experience.
Immigrant background.
Worked only 2 semesters part-time in college.
Hold positions for 4 clubs in the school.

Do y'all think I got a chance at Penn Law against those with WE/masters, etc?

Thank you.

[cavalier1138]

Applying anywhere ED without a full scholarship is a bad idea, and it won't really increase your chances of admission. Your chances at Penn are minimal with your current numbers, and if you were to luck out and get in off the WL, you would almost certainly pay sticker.

So why are you focusing on Penn?

[Dcc617]

Also, why are you not planning to take a couple years off to get job experience and retake? Why the rush to KJD?

[The Lsat Airbender]

Applying anywhere ED without a full scholarship is a bad idea, and it won't really increase your chances of admission. Your chances at Penn are minimal with your current numbers, and if you were to luck out and get in off the WL, you would almost certainly pay sticker.

So why are you focusing on Penn?

Hate to disagree but Penn actually seems to like using ED to lock down some reverse splitters, presumably in order to manage their GPA median, per https://mylsn.info/ddp5uo/. "165/3.97 and okay with sticker at Penn" is one place where you could make a colorable argument for ED. (Personally I think sticker anywhere is insane but reasonable people can disagree.)

To be clear, I strongly agree that OP should try and 1) get their LSAT up and 2) get some work experience before law school, since both of those things would pay huge dividends. If they do, and get stuck at 165, then ED at Penn would not be completely stupid for certain specific goals.

[breathbecomesairr1]

Applying anywhere ED without a full scholarship is a bad idea, and it won't really increase your chances of admission. Your chances at Penn are minimal with your current numbers, and if you were to luck out and get in off the WL, you would almost certainly pay sticker.

So why are you focusing on Penn?

Wow sorry to say that according to that other person's link, apparently, all self-reported results got acceptance.

Yeah you're right, I could gap, with my GPA and get a 173 and probably get to HLS. (considering im currently PT'ing at 168-171, I've never heard of anyone who plateaued at that benchmark.) You're right about that one.

But I really don't wanna take a gap year.

165 was from an underperformance on games, everyone knows how difficult September's LG section was, and I usually hit -0 on test day for games.

I just really don't wish to gap. I've heard thousands of arguments regarding the advantages of a gap year, but I just wanna be young when I'm a lawyer. If I gap, I'll be 24 when I go to law school. I'd rather be 22. (Literally that's the only reason why) Lol. You might be really mad at me about that one, but I just hate the idea of a gap year and wish to become a lawyer ASAP.

T7 is good enough for me to fulfill BL goals anyways, so hence Penn over gap year + HYS chances.
For me, let's take finance out of consideration though.

[Dcc617]

Everything you said is dumb.

However, since you're sure you know better than all the lawyers and law students trying to help, go follow your dreams. That'll show us.

[cavalier1138]

Woof. That was depressing.

[nixy]

But why do you want to be a young lawyer? Why would you rather be 22 than 24 (which is still young)?

[breathbecomesairr1]

Everything you said is dumb.

However, since you're sure you know better than all the lawyers and law students trying to help, go follow your dreams. That'll show us.

No, I don't know better.

Yes I totally agree, Gap year is advantageous and probably 100x better than the stupid route I'm doing, I agree.
Look with the gap year, I get WE, salary (for law school), and alot more maturity.

Yes I'm being "stupid" in the eyes of the majority.
Yeah I recognize that, I really do. And cavalier is right too.

I just really want to be kind of young when I graduate from law school at 25 rather than 27. (Which for some people, are both arguably young)

But y'know, my actual dream is to "be," an attorney, rather than take up a clerk job.

Also because my parents won't stop working until they actually see me land an attorney job and they're getting old so I want them to retire ASAP. They promise to not stop working until they see their kid actually become an attorney, which is partially a big reason why I'm rushing this process so quickly.

[Wubbles]

Do your parents want to see you take on more debt than you need to? In the case you don't "care" about costs because they are paying, how rich are they and won't it delay their retirement to overpay for law school?

[Dcc617]

Do the following statements make sense to you?

"I paid $250K so I could be a lawyer at 25 instead of 27."

"I paid $250K so my parents could retire two years early."

[Lurker19]

OP has to be trolling. But on the off chance you're serious, think about it this way. Most people have no idea what career they want for the rest of their life when they graduate college. They might think they do, but almost no one does. Life has a funny way of changing what your goals and interests are. And that's OK, even encouraged! But by going straight to law school you're taking a very significant step towards a career that's very difficult to get out of (and investing an insane amount of money in the process) all before ever working in a full-time "real job." That's just nuts. Working for even just a couple years before law school will help you evaluate what kind of career you want and what you value in your work much better than you currently can. There's absolutely no rush to make this decision, and only benefits to waiting and making sure it's really what you want.