163/3.94 Please help! Forum

[swoonster]

Long time lurker, love all the posts on here so thought it was about time to hop in.

I'm looking for help on where to ED to. I don't want to waste my ED on a school too far out of my reach but I still want to have a shot getting into a top school. I'm looking for T14. I graduated summa cum laude from a top public university with 1 year of work experience and strong softs

What would be schools I would have a favorable chance if I apply as ED?

Thank you in advance for all the help.

[blackmamba8]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

[btruj777]

If you are looking to ED, keep in mind you lose A TON OF LEVERAGE in doing so.

So... make it count!! Best ED option out there, IMO is Northwestern.

They promise you 50k per year in exchange.

BUT since this is the case they may not accept you as easily because they know they will have to pay you 150k. However, this can still work in your favor because it could be the case that this happens to you, as it did to a very close friend of mine (his numbers were 3.89/163).

He applied ED, they told him no, then they accepted him ED. Then he got into Cornell, they made a small offer. When NU asked why he hasn't committed to NU, he said that Cornell gave him a good deal. Soon after, NU bumped up to 40k per year. I should warn you that he is a hispanic male, but not PR or Mexican.

I heard BU does the same.

[btruj777]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I have a question, I also ED with a similar GPA, I have a 3.95/167. I ED to UChicago, bad move? Please advise, your post made me worry now!!

[swoonster]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I took the exam once last year and scored a 157 with poor prep and then recently took it again with strong prep and scored a 163 (on the upper side of the scoreband...sucks). Is a third take in December a worthwhile move? Most my preptest scores were 163-166

[btruj777]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I took the exam once last year and scored a 157 with poor prep and then recently took it again with strong prep and scored a 163 (on the upper side of the scoreband...sucks). Is a third take in December a worthwhile move? Most my preptest scores were 163-166

If you sit in December, check to see if the schools accept that score for ED, some will have ED deadlines before December, Most actually

[swoonster]

If you are looking to ED, keep in mind you lose A TON OF LEVERAGE in doing so.

So... make it count!! Best ED option out there, IMO is Northwestern.

They promise you 50k per year in exchange.

BUT since this is the case they may not accept you as easily because they know they will have to pay you 150k. However, this can still work in your favor because it could be the case that this happens to you, as it did to a very close friend of mine (his numbers were 3.89/163).

He applied ED, they told him no, then they accepted him ED. Then he got into Cornell, they made a small offer. When NU asked why he hasn't committed to NU, he said that Cornell gave him a good deal. Soon after, NU bumped up to 40k per year. I should warn you that he is a hispanic male, but not PR or Mexican.

I heard BU does the same.

Awesome feedback. Can you elaborate on the bold? I'm having trouble following that

[blackmamba8]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I have a question, I also ED with a similar GPA, I have a 3.95/167. I ED to UChicago, bad move? Please advise, your post made me worry now!!

When you apply ED you lose all leverage. The schools have basically zero reason to give you any money because you've already committed to going to their school. I can't say whether ED to UChicago would be a good decision or a bad one for you because I don't know your situation, but you risk losing a lot of money doing it. With your numbers you'd probably get some good offers from lower T14's, and even better ones if you could squeeze out a free more LSAT points.

[btruj777]

If you are looking to ED, keep in mind you lose A TON OF LEVERAGE in doing so.

So... make it count!! Best ED option out there, IMO is Northwestern.

They promise you 50k per year in exchange.

BUT since this is the case they may not accept you as easily because they know they will have to pay you 150k. However, this can still work in your favor because it could be the case that this happens to you, as it did to a very close friend of mine (his numbers were 3.89/163).

He applied ED, they told him no, then they accepted him ED. Then he got into Cornell, they made a small offer. When NU asked why he hasn't committed to NU, he said that Cornell gave him a good deal. Soon after, NU bumped up to 40k per year. I should warn you that he is a hispanic male, but not PR or Mexican.

I heard BU does the same.

Awesome feedback. Can you elaborate on the bold? I'm having trouble following that

OH MY LORD I AM SO TIRED!!!! It should read this way...



NU did not accept him ED, but moved him on to RD**(Regular Decision), and shortly after he got accepted RD to both NU and Cornell, with Cornell giving him some money. When NU found out he was being offered money from Cornell, NU offered 40k per year. (nearly the 50k promise they make EDs)

sorry for my lack of ability to form sentences, I am in Mid-term season and it is very late and I tired.

[swoonster]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I have a question, I also ED with a similar GPA, I have a 3.95/167. I ED to UChicago, bad move? Please advise, your post made me worry now!!

When you apply ED you lose all leverage. The schools have basically zero reason to give you any money because you've already committed to going to their school. I can't say whether ED to UChicago would be a good decision or a bad one for you because I don't know your situation, but you risk losing a lot of money doing it. With your numbers you'd probably get some good offers from lower T14's, and even better ones if you could squeeze out a free more LSAT points.

Is it generally frowned upon to actually pay tuition (not have a scholarship) at a top school or are most people on these forums just reallyyyy smart? I'd hate to be the only person paying 60k a year

[btruj777]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I have a question, I also ED with a similar GPA, I have a 3.95/167. I ED to UChicago, bad move? Please advise, your post made me worry now!!

When you apply ED you lose all leverage. The schools have basically zero reason to give you any money because you've already committed to going to their school. I can't say whether ED to UChicago would be a good decision or a bad one for you because I don't know your situation, but you risk losing a lot of money doing it. With your numbers you'd probably get some good offers from lower T14's, and even better ones if you could squeeze out a free more LSAT points.

Thanks for the reply, I am also URM (Hispanic). It pains me that I was 3 questions away from a 170 this September 2016 exam. Although I am very tempted to retake, I do not think it is worth putting my loved ones through another season of LSAT poop (2nd take). I think I will have to let this one sit, I only hit 169 and 170s once before so I would really have to study to get up there. Thank You though! Do you recommend emailing UChicago to take me off ED?

[swoonster]

If you are looking to ED, keep in mind you lose A TON OF LEVERAGE in doing so.

So... make it count!! Best ED option out there, IMO is Northwestern.

They promise you 50k per year in exchange.

BUT since this is the case they may not accept you as easily because they know they will have to pay you 150k. However, this can still work in your favor because it could be the case that this happens to you, as it did to a very close friend of mine (his numbers were 3.89/163).

He applied ED, they told him no, then they accepted him ED. Then he got into Cornell, they made a small offer. When NU asked why he hasn't committed to NU, he said that Cornell gave him a good deal. Soon after, NU bumped up to 40k per year. I should warn you that he is a hispanic male, but not PR or Mexican.

I heard BU does the same.

Awesome feedback. Can you elaborate on the bold? I'm having trouble following that

OH MY LORD I AM SO TIRED!!!! It should read this way...



NU did not accept him ED, but moved him on to RD**(Regular Decision), and shortly after he got accepted RD to both NU and Cornell, with Cornell giving him some money. When NU found out he was being offered money from Cornell, NU offered 40k per year. (nearly the 50k promise they make EDs)

sorry for my lack of ability to form sentences, I am in Mid-term season and it is very late and I tired.

thanks for clearing that up, i know the brain-fried mid-term feeling. Do all schools move EDs into the RD process? or do they sometimes just deny?

[btruj777]

If you are looking to ED, keep in mind you lose A TON OF LEVERAGE in doing so.

So... make it count!! Best ED option out there, IMO is Northwestern.

They promise you 50k per year in exchange.

BUT since this is the case they may not accept you as easily because they know they will have to pay you 150k. However, this can still work in your favor because it could be the case that this happens to you, as it did to a very close friend of mine (his numbers were 3.89/163).

He applied ED, they told him no, then they accepted him ED. Then he got into Cornell, they made a small offer. When NU asked why he hasn't committed to NU, he said that Cornell gave him a good deal. Soon after, NU bumped up to 40k per year. I should warn you that he is a hispanic male, but not PR or Mexican.

I heard BU does the same.

Awesome feedback. Can you elaborate on the bold? I'm having trouble following that

OH MY LORD I AM SO TIRED!!!! It should read this way...



NU did not accept him ED, but moved him on to RD**(Regular Decision), and shortly after he got accepted RD to both NU and Cornell, with Cornell giving him some money. When NU found out he was being offered money from Cornell, NU offered 40k per year. (nearly the 50k promise they make EDs)

sorry for my lack of ability to form sentences, I am in Mid-term season and it is very late and I tired.

thanks for clearing that up, i know the brain-fried mid-term feeling. Do all schools move EDs into the RD process? or do they sometimes just deny?

From what I heard most will put you in either RD or Waitlist, coming down from ED. A lot of schools have very little incentive to REJECT you versus WAITLIST you. Unless you are SOOOO FAR away from their numbers, I doubt they will REJECT you. In makes more senses to waitlist the "unwanted but just in case" people so that they have a reserve to pull from as they paint their picture.

[blackmamba8]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I have a question, I also ED with a similar GPA, I have a 3.95/167. I ED to UChicago, bad move? Please advise, your post made me worry now!!

When you apply ED you lose all leverage. The schools have basically zero reason to give you any money because you've already committed to going to their school. I can't say whether ED to UChicago would be a good decision or a bad one for you because I don't know your situation, but you risk losing a lot of money doing it. With your numbers you'd probably get some good offers from lower T14's, and even better ones if you could squeeze out a free more LSAT points.

Is it generally frowned upon to actually pay tuition (not have a scholarship) at a top school or are most people on these forums just reallyyyy smart? I'd hate to be the only person paying 60k a year

It's not that it's frowned upon. There are far worse outcomes than paying sticker at a T14. It's more just that if you do end up footing the entire bill yourself you're staring at $250k+ in loans after you graduate. Even if you get a Big Law job you likely won't want to stay there long enough to pay off your loans.

For me personally it's not about getting into the highest ranked school I possibly can but rather going to the best school I can at the best price. For example, I would take a full ride at a school like Cornell or Michigan over sticker at HYS because I want to avoid debt as much as possible.

[blackmamba8]

Please don't ED with that GPA unless you retake and ED to Northwestern. Otherwise you're throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars down the drain.

I have a question, I also ED with a similar GPA, I have a 3.95/167. I ED to UChicago, bad move? Please advise, your post made me worry now!!

When you apply ED you lose all leverage. The schools have basically zero reason to give you any money because you've already committed to going to their school. I can't say whether ED to UChicago would be a good decision or a bad one for you because I don't know your situation, but you risk losing a lot of money doing it. With your numbers you'd probably get some good offers from lower T14's, and even better ones if you could squeeze out a free more LSAT points.

Thanks for the reply, I am also URM (Hispanic). It pains me that I was 3 questions away from a 170 this September 2016 exam. Although I am very tempted to retake, I do not think it is worth putting my loved ones through another season of LSAT poop (2nd take). I think I will have to let this one sit, I only hit 169 and 170s once before so I would really have to study to get up there. Thank You though! Do you recommend emailing UChicago to take me off ED?

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Even if you don't retake it looks like you have a good shot at most of the T14 with $$. Definitely seek out the opinions of other people on the board, but I personally would recommend trying to get off ED if possible. You have a good shot at getting into UChicago through regular decision and you would be able to negotiate scholarship money in that situation.