Application Decision-3.99 GPA/170 LSAt Forum

[UA2017]

Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the input

[dabigchina]

Is UVA within your range?

Anyway, ED NU for big money. NU places well in Chicago and many firms have good tax practices in Chicago. They won't like that you're a KJD but they'll like those stats. Apply to Chicago and Michigan as well, but Chicago will probably be pretty expensive and Michigan has questionable placement to Chicago Biglaw

[UA2017]

Is UVA within your range?

Anyway, ED NU for big money. NU places well in Chicago and many firms have good tax practices in Chicago. They won't like that you're a KJD but they'll like those stats. Apply to Chicago and Michigan as well, but Chicago will probably be pretty expensive and Michigan has questionable placement to Chicago Biglaw

My numbers are at or above their 75th's but my UGPA should be take with a grain of salt as my UG is a mediocre state school

[dabigchina]

Is UVA within your range?

Anyway, ED NU for big money. NU places well in Chicago and many firms have good tax practices in Chicago. They won't like that you're a KJD but they'll like those stats. Apply to Chicago and Michigan as well, but Chicago will probably be pretty expensive and Michigan has questionable placement to Chicago Biglaw

My numbers are at or above their 75th's but my UGPA should be take with a grain of salt as my UG is a mediocre state school

nobody cares where you got the GPA, just the number. All things being equal, NU would love to take a 4.0 from Akron over a 3.5 from Princeton.

[maybeman]

My numbers are at or above their 75th's but my UGPA should be take with a grain of salt as my UG is a mediocre state school

Not how it works. Your GPA is worth essentially the same regardless of undergrad

[maybeman]

scooped

[UA2017]

I guess my real question is what are my chances at receiving half to 3/4 schollys at the lower end of the T14

[dabigchina]

I guess my real question is what are my chances at receiving half to 3/4 schollys at the lower end of the T14

Nu Ed comes with 150k schollie.

Michigan would prob give u good money also.

[matterhorn]

I guess my real question is what are my chances at receiving half to 3/4 schollys at the lower end of the T14

Have similar numbers to you and received about a 75% scholarship at Michigan.

[UA2017]

So ED at NU is probably my best bet (Obviously still only an outside shot) for little to no tuition debt? I only ask because the thought of EDing and essentially telling a school its up to them where I go scares me a little

[grades??]

EDing at NU is straight up stupid in your case. You will get the same scholarship from better schools. If I was you, I would take a year off. Go do anything but law school and apply in another year from now, with some work experience and those numbers. Then you are looking at least some money at CCN and great money from PDV.

[pittsburghpirates]

So ED at NU is probably my best bet (Obviously still only an outside shot) for little to no tuition debt? I only ask because the thought of EDing and essentially telling a school its up to them where I go scares me a little

With your stats, I personally would not ED anywhere. I'd value the choice more than potentially locking in the $150K up front. Apply to the entire T14 including HYS and get your apps in as early as you can while still putting your best foot forward. I think you would have a great chance at the NU ED given that you are above both 75ths. But if you are not sure that's where you want to be and are willing to accept a little higher debt than that would leave you, I would see what the others schools have to offer and negotiate like crazy.

Congrats on working hard for that LSAT score and that great GPA. Schools will definitely want to scoop them up and I think you'll be in for an excellent cycle. Best of luck

[QuentonCassidy]

Echoing what other posters said about UG institution, that 3.99 is gold to law schools, they don't give a damn where it came from. I just wanted to add one thing to what the poster (edit: two) above me said. If you really are debt-averse you might want to consider taking a year off to work (not being k-jd will help, with admissions and schollys) and maybe try and retake the LSAT while you are working. I know people are super trigger-happy with the "retake" advice on this site, but hear me out. First, I am by no means saying that you need to retake. A 170 is an amazing score and will get you some good results. However, given that you got all A's in UG while working 30-40 hour weeks, studying for the LSAT while working a full-time job definitely won't be inordinately hard for you, and the benefits to someone as debt averse as yourself could be enormous. 3 more points and a year of WE and I would all but guarantee a full scholly to some T14s. 5+ more points and you are looking at potential Ruby (full+ stipend to Chicago) material. Given what you have said, the Ruby is absolutely the best thing for you (honestly the Ruby might be the best deal in law school point blank). A Darrow (full + stipend at Michigan) might be the next best thing after a Ruby because of the stipend (which allows you to take out little if any debt, can't forget about cost of living on top of tuition) and its geographic location.

Anyway, congrats on great grades and a great LSAT. If you apply with those numbers you will do well for yourself, but given your location preferences and how you feel about debt, retaking might be something to consider. Regardless of what you decide, I wish you the best in your upcoming LS applications!

[dabigchina]

EDing at NU is straight up stupid in your case. You will get the same scholarship from better schools. If I was you, I would take a year off. Go do anything but law school and apply in another year from now, with some work experience and those numbers. Then you are looking at least some money at CCN and great money from PDV.

He is
1 debt averse
2 looking to go to school/work in Chicago.

NU with big scholly is probably the best outcome for him. Chicago isn't going to throw enough money at him to make up for 150k.

Also, what is this dpv business.

[RamTitan]

Echoing what other posters said about UG institution, that 3.99 is gold to law schools, they don't give a damn where it came from. I just wanted to add one thing to what the poster (edit: two) above me said. If you really are debt-averse you might want to consider taking a year off to work (not being k-jd will help, with admissions and schollys) and maybe try and retake the LSAT while you are working. I know people are super trigger-happy with the "retake" advice on this site, but hear me out. First, I am by no means saying that you need to retake. A 170 is an amazing score and will get you some good results. However, given that you got all A's in UG while working 30-40 hour weeks, studying for the LSAT while working a full-time job definitely won't be inordinately hard for you, and the benefits to someone as debt averse as yourself could be enormous. 3 more points and a year of WE and I would all but guarantee a full scholly to some T14s. 5+ more points and you are looking at potential Ruby (full+ stipend to Chicago) material. Given what you have said, the Ruby is absolutely the best thing for you (honestly the Ruby might be the best deal in law school point blank). A Darrow (full + stipend at Michigan) might be the next best thing after a Ruby because of the stipend (which allows you to take out little if any debt, can't forget about cost of living on top of tuition) and its geographic location.

Anyway, congrats on great grades and a great LSAT. If you apply with those numbers you will do well for yourself, but given your location preferences and how you feel about debt, retaking might be something to consider. Regardless of what you decide, I wish you the best in your upcoming LS applications!

I agree with this

[T3TON]

First time poster here

I am unsure as to where I should apply for this upcoming cycle. I am a K-JD white male with a 3.99 GPA( I got one A-) in Political Science at an Ohio state school (Not OSU) with minors in Business Administration, Comparative Politics, Pre-Law, and American Politics. I have a 170 on my LSAT (PTing 170-172) and weak softs. I have worked two jobs for 30-40 hours a week total all through undergrad. I worked at a small construction company handling pretty much all of their finances including payroll as well as at my university handling Student Organization financials. I have been a manager in charge of a staff of 6 for 3 years at the University. I think I have good to pretty good LOR's lined up from professors also. My top choice is probably UVA but I am obviously open to the entire T14 as well as a few other schools such as Ohio St and Vanderbilt.I am rather debt-averse (Under 150K total for all 3 years/I have no UG debt). I have looked at mylsn and few other websites but I can't quite gauge how well their predictions apply to me. I do not want to go to school more than 10 hours (Drive) from my home in northeast Ohio. I hope to work in BigLaw or at a large but not necessarily F500 company also within a 9 hour range from my hometown (Closer the better but I am willing to travel) . The two areas I am most interested in are intellectual property law (Trademarks specifically) and tax law, but I am not 100% set on those. Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Edit: I now realize my username probably gives away my UG lol. Its U Akron... I know not its not a very good UG but its what I have

Was in basically the exact same place as you, and mylsn wasn't very helpful. PM me if you want to talk cycles but the tldr is you can do better with those stats than eding NU.