Political involvement as a "Splitter" Forum

Broncos15 · Post by **Broncos15** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:42 am

Hello,

I was wondering with UC Berkeley being one of the most liberal universities... How does my "splitter" ( 3.67 GPA right at their 25% GPA) status fare considering that I have been a part of some conservative organizations on campus?

I was especially wondering this given Berkeley's preference towards high GPA's .... would they be any less willing to take me than another applicant with a similar GPA in their lower 25th range that was very liberal ( assume same LSAT)

I understand that law school is largely a numbers game and if I was a 3.85GPA Cal Berkeley could care less if I was a gun toting, Bible thumping, pro life, anti Obama type of person..... Even though I know it is a numbers game, I can't help but to think that I may have shot myself in the foot for Berk by these conservative involvements on campus. ( I'm not necessarily saying that I regret joining these groups or would not if I had a second chance, but I understand it won't do me any favors and it could put me one step closer to a ding)

Retaking LSAT in future before anyone asks

Thanks!

hairbear7 · Post by **hairbear7** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:53 am

It's fine lol they don't just accept liberals...

hairbear7 · Post by **hairbear7** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:57 am

If anything leave those organizations off of your resume

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:08 am

Doesn't matter. Your GPA likely precludes you though regardless of how high your LSAT is (unless maybe you're URM or something like that)

Broncos15 · Post by **Broncos15** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:56 am

BigZuck wrote:Doesn't matter. Your GPA likely precludes you though regardless of how high your LSAT is (unless maybe you're URM or something like that)

I am just on the border dependent on how my senior year finishes ) so far all A's in mid November)

So it seems that 3.65 is just at the point where they start accepting and being so close to the border I am not sure how risky it is to put those organizations on my resume or if I even need to in the first place ( was just a member, no leadership in those orgs).

Not sure as well if being a Hispanic but non MA or PR helps since Berks has a more diverse study body than many other T14 schools with a 40% minority population in the 509 class profile

totesTheGoat · Post by **totesTheGoat** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:52 pm

Broncos15 wrote: So it seems that 3.65 is just at the point where they start accepting and being so close to the border I am not sure how risky it is to put those organizations on my resume or if I even need to in the first place ( was just a member, no leadership in those orgs).

Lose the orgs. The only orgs I have on my resume are ones that I'm an officer in and ones that show my commitment to the type of law I want to practice. Everything else is fluff.

AReasonableMan · Post by **AReasonableMan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:04 pm

Most of the activists on campus tend to be dumb college kids who just support whatever is against the grain without any foreknowledge of what they're supporting. As you can see here, ISIS got tremendous support and celebration on campus: http://www.youngcons.com/man-flies-isis ... different/. One would anticipate that law students may be slightly more educated and tolerant of others. You may be better served going to a school where you'll feel comfortable, because comfort can impact your performance.

You'd only really want to go to Berkeley if you're the kind of person who doesn't really care about having free speech and keeps a low profile. If you are the kind of person who would vocalize your disagreement with the assertion that ISIS is more progressive than America on women's rights, and consider it unfair if you were subjected to harassment or discipline for making such a boisterous assertion then you may opt for a school where your opinion is likelier to be tolerated. Namely, if you were a Christian looking to move to a new country, just because you found an affordable house in Raqqa doesn't mean that Raqqa is the best fit for you.

EnderWiggin · Post by **EnderWiggin** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:43 pm

AReasonableMan wrote:
You'd only really want to go to Berkeley if you're the kind of person who doesn't really care about having free speech and keeps a low profile

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:45 pm

AReasonableMan wrote:Most of the activists on campus tend to be dumb college kids who just support whatever is against the grain without any foreknowledge of what they're supporting. As you can see here, ISIS got tremendous support and celebration on campus: http://www.youngcons.com/man-flies-isis ... different/. One would anticipate that law students may be slightly more educated and tolerant of others. You may be better served going to a school where you'll feel comfortable, because comfort can impact your performance.

You'd only really want to go to Berkeley if you're the kind of person who doesn't really care about having free speech and keeps a low profile. If you are the kind of person who would vocalize your disagreement with the assertion that ISIS is more progressive than America on women's rights, and consider it unfair if you were subjected to harassment or discipline for making such a boisterous assertion then you may opt for a school where your opinion is likelier to be tolerated. Namely, if you were a Christian looking to move to a new country, just because you found an affordable house in Raqqa doesn't mean that Raqqa is the best fit for you.

This is a really stupid post.

Desert Fox · Post by **Desert Fox** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:47 pm

Desert Fox · Post by **Desert Fox** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:49 pm

AReasonableMan · Post by **AReasonableMan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:53 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
AReasonableMan wrote:Most of the activists on campus tend to be dumb college kids who just support whatever is against the grain without any foreknowledge of what they're supporting. As you can see here, ISIS got tremendous support and celebration on campus: http://www.youngcons.com/man-flies-isis ... different/. One would anticipate that law students may be slightly more educated and tolerant of others. You may be better served going to a school where you'll feel comfortable, because comfort can impact your performance.

You'd only really want to go to Berkeley if you're the kind of person who doesn't really care about having free speech and keeps a low profile. If you are the kind of person who would vocalize your disagreement with the assertion that ISIS is more progressive than America on women's rights, and consider it unfair if you were subjected to harassment or discipline for making such a boisterous assertion then you may opt for a school where your opinion is likelier to be tolerated. Namely, if you were a Christian looking to move to a new country, just because you found an affordable house in Raqqa doesn't mean that Raqqa is the best fit for you.
This is a really stupid post.

I admittedly got angry rewatching that video.

Desert Fox · Post by **Desert Fox** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:58 pm

RamTitan · Post by **RamTitan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:48 pm

A 3.67 stands little shot of getting into Cal-Berkley? They're that un-splitter friendly?

AReasonableMan · Post by **AReasonableMan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:54 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
AReasonableMan wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
AReasonableMan wrote:Most of the activists on campus tend to be dumb college kids who just support whatever is against the grain without any foreknowledge of what they're supporting. As you can see here, ISIS got tremendous support and celebration on campus: http://www.youngcons.com/man-flies-isis ... different/. One would anticipate that law students may be slightly more educated and tolerant of others. You may be better served going to a school where you'll feel comfortable, because comfort can impact your performance.

You'd only really want to go to Berkeley if you're the kind of person who doesn't really care about having free speech and keeps a low profile. If you are the kind of person who would vocalize your disagreement with the assertion that ISIS is more progressive than America on women's rights, and consider it unfair if you were subjected to harassment or discipline for making such a boisterous assertion then you may opt for a school where your opinion is likelier to be tolerated. Namely, if you were a Christian looking to move to a new country, just because you found an affordable house in Raqqa doesn't mean that Raqqa is the best fit for you.
This is a really stupid post.
I admittedly got angry rewatching that video.
JNE on a bus to berkley

They'd love him. Build a gold plated statue of him, and worship it level love.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:56 pm

RamTitan wrote:A 3.67 stands little shot of getting into Cal-Berkley? They're that un-splitter friendly?

0% chance for the typical candidate with that GPA

(unless something has changed dramatically the past couple of years but I doubt it. They still have a dude with two first names running admissions).

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:00 pm

AReasonableMan wrote:I admittedly got angry rewatching that video.

Dude, that's one of the most specious things I've ever seen. It's pretty obvious it was a stunt. And that's not exactly an issue you're objective about.

AReasonableMan · Post by **AReasonableMan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:15 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
AReasonableMan wrote:I admittedly got angry rewatching that video.
Dude, that's one of the most specious things I've ever seen. It's pretty obvious it was a stunt. And that's not exactly an issue you're objective about.

Fair. I keep a modicum of objectivity though.

libertttarian · Post by **libertttarian** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:18 pm

hairbear7 wrote:If anything leave those organizations off of your resume

What? Diversity is our strength! If anything conservative political experience is a plus, because people with that kind of experience are underrepresented at Berkley.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:30 pm

I don't much care for this thread

RamTitan · Post by **RamTitan** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:32 pm

BigZuck wrote:
RamTitan wrote:A 3.67 stands little shot of getting into Cal-Berkley? They're that un-splitter friendly?
0% chance for the typical candidate with that GPA

(unless something has changed dramatically the past couple of years but I doubt it. They still have a dude with two first names running admissions).

What's a typical candidate? What if someone with that GPA scored in the mid 170s?

I know I'm starting to veer off topic, but.....that leads me to an interesting topic I'll make on my own

pleadthafif · Post by **pleadthafif** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:44 pm

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Desert Fox · Post by **Desert Fox** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:04 pm

Troianii · Post by **Troianii** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:10 pm

Broncos15 wrote:Hello,

I was wondering with UC Berkeley being one of the most liberal universities... How does my "splitter" ( 3.67 GPA right at their 25% GPA) status fare considering that I have been a part of some conservative organizations on campus?

I was especially wondering this given Berkeley's preference towards high GPA's .... would they be any less willing to take me than another applicant with a similar GPA in their lower 25th range that was very liberal ( assume same LSAT)

I understand that law school is largely a numbers game and if I was a 3.85GPA Cal Berkeley could care less if I was a gun toting, Bible thumping, pro life, anti Obama type of person..... Even though I know it is a numbers game, I can't help but to think that I may have shot myself in the foot for Berk by these conservative involvements on campus. ( I'm not necessarily saying that I regret joining these groups or would not if I had a second chance, but I understand it won't do me any favors and it could put me one step closer to a ding)

Retaking LSAT in future before anyone asks

Thanks!

I'm pretty sure they don't care. There are more liberal universities that have no qualms about accepting conservatives. If anything, it MIGHT work in your favor - because, hey, they're looking for diversity right? But sometimes they just want diversity of skin color, not thought, experience, or beliefs, since that's what matters - what you look like.

The ADCOMs generally are more interested in bringing in people who have leadership experience and WILL BE leaders after law school, than they are in ensuring that everyone falls in line.

pleadthafif · Post by **pleadthafif** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:21 pm

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