3.6 GPA and 167 LSAT - Columbia? Forum

lowschaal · Post by **lowschaal** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:19 am

I go to a top liberal arts college known for grade deflation. What are my chances, taking those into account? Not a URM.

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:22 am

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CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:40 am

Unlikely as both your LSAT & GPA are below median for Columbia.

cbbinnyc · Post by **cbbinnyc** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:52 am

CanadianWolf wrote:Unlikely as both your LSAT & GPA are below median for Columbia.

This. Also, grade deflation, while taken into account, won't make a huge difference. Retake, go for a 173+

pancakes3 · Post by **pancakes3** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:35 am

Never understood why schools like William and Mary pride themselves on grade deflation.

Broncos15 · Post by **Broncos15** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:42 pm

Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest

fredfred · Post by **fredfred** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:46 pm

Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest

Unfortunately the higher number wins. Does the law school get to submit to usnews that they took 1/3 of their class had grade deflation? No. All they care about is the numbers and unicorn softs.

my prole called life · Post by **my prole called life** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:47 pm

Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest

Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people

fredfred · Post by **fredfred** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:51 pm

my prole called life wrote:
Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people

Admissions people also say they look at candidates "holistically" and all this other bs (with the possible exception of Yale, Berkeley and potentially Stanford). As someone who actually had unicorn softs, I can tell you directly my results were a direct reflection on the numbers. The only thing that made a difference was I feel my softs helped me out-perform my scholarship amount, but not my acceptances. People are kidding themselves when they read this from admissions officers. They check for 4 things: 1-LSAT, 2-GPA, 3-URM, 4- extremely rare/unicorn softs.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:52 pm

my prole called life wrote:
Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people

They say a lot of things they don't do

Traynor Brah · Post by **Traynor Brah** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:57 pm

not gonna happen. retake.

Clemenceau · Post by **Clemenceau** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:05 pm

Essentially no shot at cls.

I've heard that maybe if your "deflated" gpa is from like princeton or mit then that might help your cause a bit. But that's probably moreso true for splitters, not people below both medians.

emkay625 · Post by **emkay625** » Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:46 pm

my prole called life wrote:
Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people

lol. They are lying.

They say things like that because law school rankings are partly based on acceptance rate (lower acceptance rate = higher ranking). As a result, admissions officers need to convince everyone they have a shot of getting in, so their application numbers will go up and their acceptance rate would be lower. They're not going to come out and tell you the truth (that little besides numbers and race matter) because then people would stop applying with no chance of getting in, and schools depend on those folks to keep their acceptance rate low.

lowschaal · Post by **lowschaal** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:29 am

my prole called life wrote:
Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people

Thanks, that makes sense.

I think I can get into Columbia. My school is a top liberal arts college, and law school officers will know the difference between Montana State vs a private liberal arts.

urbanist11 · Post by **urbanist11** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:31 am

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lymenheimer · Post by **lymenheimer** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:38 am

lowschaal wrote:
my prole called life wrote:
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people
Thanks, that makes sense.

I think I can get into Columbia. My school is a top liberal arts college, and law school officers will know the difference between Montana State vs a private liberal arts.

You're not supposed to create a duplicate account. Only one account per person. Mods please!

pittsburghpirates · Post by **pittsburghpirates** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:48 am

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pancakes3 · Post by **pancakes3** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:50 am

lowschaal wrote:
my prole called life wrote:
Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people
Thanks, that makes sense.

I think I can get into Columbia. My school is a top liberal arts college, and law school officers will know the difference between Montana State vs a private liberal arts.

They might know the difference, but why would they care?

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:01 am

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fredfred · Post by **fredfred** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:08 am

lowschaal wrote:
my prole called life wrote:
Broncos15 wrote:Coming from a similar situation as OP, with slightly higher GPA.....do law schools factor in "at all" grade deflation?

In my case the median GPA at my UG was a 3.0 and the top 1/3 was a 3.2

In a hypo would a 3.61/170 coming from a UG w/ high grade inflation have an edge over a 3.60/170 from a school with grade deflation?

While i agree with the general consensus that law school admissions is largely numbers based, it doesn't seem likely to grade inflation/deflation matters absolutely 0 as some here would sugest
Yeah dude they take into consideration what percentile your gpa falls into for your uni. That's been explicitly mentioned in interviews with addmissions people
Thanks, that makes sense.

I think I can get into Columbia. My school is a top liberal arts college, and law school officers will know the difference between Montana State vs a private liberal arts.

When you certainly get rejected, let us know how you feel. Admissions officers don't give a &%^@ where you went. They care about the number. Source: probably over 80% of my class at Duke/UVA is decent tier public colleges.

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:17 am

OP: Even if admitted with your numbers & non-URM status, Columbia would be too expensive. Cornell & Georgetown are your best bets among the T-14, although Michigan is definitely worth an application. NYU may also accept you based on the chart above, but, unless you get a public interest scholarship, it may not be a realistic option from a financial viewpoint.

lymenheimer · Post by **lymenheimer** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:21 am

inb4 OP only gets accepted to Alexander Blewett III School of Law

jfernandes16 · Post by **jfernandes16** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:26 am

Not sure if I'm allowed to do this- please correct me if I'm breaking a rule.

I have a thread about my chances of cracking top 10, what do you all think that the odds are of a 3.47/170 MA male would be for Columbia?

All that I've seen has led me to believe it would be a Ding. It would be a dream school, as my baby sister just started her undergrad at C and we would overlap all 3 yrs.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:34 am

Are liberal arts colleges even actually prestigious? Most people haven't heard of any of them. Oh wow you studied Cicero vs Chaucer or whatever and copped a B- which was the highest grade in the class because of SO MUCH RIGOR. No one cares duder. Adcoms probably do know a fair amount about most colleges but they won't care about your RIGOROUS degree in International Comparative 13th Century Prussian Literary and Cultural Studies if your GPA doesn't help them.

Most importantly though, don't ever believe anything an adcom says. They are lying liars who lie.

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:11 am

BigZuck wrote:Are liberal arts colleges even actually prestigious? Most people haven't heard of any of them. Oh wow you studied Cicero vs Chaucer or whatever and copped a B- which was the highest grade in the class because of SO MUCH RIGOR. No one cares duder. Adcoms probably do know a fair amount about most colleges but they won't care about your RIGOROUS degree in International Comparative 13th Century Prussian Literary and Cultural Studies if your GPA doesn't help them.

Most importantly though, don't ever believe anything an adcom says. They are lying liars who lie.

Yes, there are prestigious liberal arts colleges, Zuck. Not probably as many are prestigious as want to be, but they exist. (There's how many people have heard of something, and then there's which people.)

But no, it won't make a difference for admissions.