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yallayallamohandes · Post by **yallayallamohandes** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:03 pm

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shump92 · Post by **shump92** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:10 pm

Low GPA and not being URM is going to really hurt your chances at scholarships. LSAT will definitely help for some of the Top 20/30 schools since it is well above their medians. I really don't think retaking is going to be necessary given your goals and the fact that any increase would be difficult. I think you should really focus on your personal statement and having good recommendation letters. You have work experience and an excellent LSAT score, I think you will have some success with admissions and probably partial scholarships. I would recommend thinking about what level of a discount could make law school viable enough for you since I doubt that splitters get fully money that often. Thinking about why you want to go to law school in the US should help with your essays.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:03 am

I would adjust your goal to not going. Why would you want a meh regional law degree when you have a top ten UG degree. Your job prospects are much better by not going. Unless you really want to work shitlaw in Alabama or something

ihenry · Post by **ihenry** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:33 am

yallayallamohandes wrote: My friend who is a Korean National with 175 and a high GPA got into Harvard this year, and he told me that none of T14 schools offered him any money, though he was accepted to almost all of them.

That is really sad to know. Since you attended a U.S. college for your UG and have a LSDAS GPA, I don't think you are really considered an international. I, on the other hand, am, so my situation could only be worse.

If T14 scholarship is dire for internationals, I have to seriously reconsider when I will be attending law school. Also, I actually feel retaking is not that necessary -- even if I consistently PT'ed in 175-ish. The difference between 172 and 175 would only be around 2 questions, and you can easily miss it on the exam day (heck, a ??? prolly means -8, with -2 for each LR and -4 for RC, which is already within the margin of human error considering test-day anxiety). You really need to be super careful and, let's face it, lucky throughout your test. Moreover, if a 3-point bump is not going to increase your scholarship chances, then I doubt if there is point in trying at all.

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ihenry · Post by **ihenry** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:15 am

yallayallamohandes wrote:
ihenry wrote:
yallayallamohandes wrote: My friend who is a Korean National with 175 and a high GPA got into Harvard this year, and he told me that none of T14 schools offered him any money, though he was accepted to almost all of them.
That is really sad to know. Since you attended a U.S. college for your UG and have a LSDAS GPA, I don't think you are really considered an international. I, on the other hand, am, so my situation could only be worse. I scored exactly the same as you did for June LSAT, by the way.

If T14 scholarship is dire for internationals, I have to seriously reconsider when I will be attending law school. Also, I actually feel retaking is not that necessary -- even if I consistently PT'ed in 175-ish. The difference between 172 and 175 would only be around 2 questions, and you can easily miss it on the exam day (heck, a ??? prolly means -8, with -2 for each LR and -4 for RC, which is already within the margin of human error considering test-day anxiety). You really need to be super careful and, let's face it, lucky throughout your test. Moreover, if a 3-point bump is not going to increase your scholarship chances, then I doubt if there is point in trying at all.
Thanks for your advice. My preptest scores from PT40 to 72 ranged from 170 to 178, and it seemed to me that the score largely depends on my daily condition. When I took the test at DukSung Women's University, I was really stressed and frustrated, due to lack of male toilets. (The topic I posted : http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=249834 ) I now plan to send complaint letters to LSAC and Fulbright Korean-American Education Commission, requesting that they do something about this problem. I don't think I have much chance of persuading them, but I suppose it is worth trying. If you are a male, I would appreciate it if you could also send some kind of complaints to them. I am planning to take both October and December tests to try my luck. If I can get a higher score, I would apply for a part time job as a LSAT instructor in Seoul.
About my friend, I too was very surprised, since he was good enough to get into Harvard, but all T14 schools did not give him any money. Anyway, I read some posts that there are indeed Korean Nationals who received some money from T20/30 schools, so I am keeping my hopes up. Good luck to you!

I don't know why schools are doing this, being a non-U.S. citizen automatically dinged from scholarship chances. We are raising their median(s), and we have the same bargaining power in choosing schools as Americans do. (Well, if all t-14 schools somehow reach agreements in not awarding scholarship money, we lose that power. Damn it.) ETA: and we are not rich. and no federal loans.

I'm not a Korean -- I'm a Chinese doing undergrad in Singapore. However, I do feel it weird that LSAC picked a "women's" university which cannot even offer a male restroom as a test center. You may thus be hampered by anxiety. (I did; I was thrown off by a nasty logic games section which turned out to be experimental, and I screwed a subsequent RC). That said, PT'ing 170 to 178 and ended up with a 172 is perfectly normal. It's fine to retake, but counting on a score significantly higher than that may leave you disappointed.

yallayallamohandes · Post by **yallayallamohandes** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:28 am

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Hand · Post by **Hand** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:47 pm

yallayallamohandes wrote:
ihenry wrote:
yallayallamohandes wrote:
ihenry wrote:
yallayallamohandes wrote: My friend who is a Korean National with 175 and a high GPA got into Harvard this year, and he told me that none of T14 schools offered him any money, though he was accepted to almost all of them.
That is really sad to know. Since you attended a U.S. college for your UG and have a LSDAS GPA, I don't think you are really considered an international. I, on the other hand, am, so my situation could only be worse. I scored exactly the same as you did for June LSAT, by the way.

If T14 scholarship is dire for internationals, I have to seriously reconsider when I will be attending law school. Also, I actually feel retaking is not that necessary -- even if I consistently PT'ed in 175-ish. The difference between 172 and 175 would only be around 2 questions, and you can easily miss it on the exam day (heck, a 172 prolly means -8, with -2 for each LR and -4 for RC, which is already within the margin of human error considering test-day anxiety). You really need to be super careful and, let's face it, lucky throughout your test. Moreover, if a 3-point bump is not going to increase your scholarship chances, then I doubt if there is point in trying at all.
Thanks for your advice. My preptest scores from PT40 to 72 ranged from 170 to 178, and it seemed to me that the score largely depends on my daily condition. When I took the test at DukSung Women's University, I was really stressed and frustrated, due to lack of male toilets. (The topic I posted : http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=249834 ) I now plan to send complaint letters to LSAC and Fulbright Korean-American Education Commission, requesting that they do something about this problem. I don't think I have much chance of persuading them, but I suppose it is worth trying. If you are a male, I would appreciate it if you could also send some kind of complaints to them. I am planning to take both October and December tests to try my luck. If I can get a higher score, I would apply for a part time job as a LSAT instructor in Seoul.
About my friend, I too was very surprised, since he was good enough to get into Harvard, but all T14 schools did not give him any money. Anyway, I read some posts that there are indeed Korean Nationals who received some money from T20/30 schools, so I am keeping my hopes up. Good luck to you!
I don't know why schools are doing this, being a non-U.S. citizen automatically dinged from scholarship chances. We are raising their median(s), and we have the same bargaining power in choosing schools as Americans do. (Well, if all t-14 schools somehow reach agreements in not awarding scholarship money, we lose that power. Damn it.)

I'm not a Korean -- I'm a Chinese doing undergrad in Singapore. However, I do feel it weird that LSAC picked a "women's" university which cannot even offer a male restroom as a test center. You may thus be hampered by anxiety. (I did; I was thrown off by a nasty logic games section which turned out to be experimental, and I screwed a subsequent RC). That said, PT'ing 170 to 178 and ended up with a 172 is perfectly normal. It's fine to retake, but counting on a score significantly higher than that may leave you disappointed.
Well, I think that it is reasonable and fair for U.S law schools to limit their scholarships and admissions for foreigners, since those schools are being operated primarily for benefits of U.S citizens. Also, I would assume that their endowment money comes primarily from donations of U.S citizens. I heard that those schools receive large subsidies from U.S tax payers' money, though I am not certain. I would expect the same policy from Korean schools regarding foreigners. Anyway, let us both keep trying for the best. Good day!

Just FYI, you can most certainly get large (up to full tuition) scholarships from top schools as an international applicant.