165 LSAT 3.9 GPA Boston College/Harvard, chances? Forum

[lujanj7]

Hi there. I have a 165 LSAT (and a 154 :/) and a 3.96 gpa. I also have extensive undergraduate student government experiene as well as congressional campaign experience (2012-2014).

My reach school is Harvard, but I am also VERY interested in BC. I toured the campus and it's beautiful. I really felt at home there. I am from Las Vegas, and got my BA from UNLV. What are my chances of acceptance? Also, what are my chances of scholarship money??

Any insight would be helpful. Thanks!

[Ramius]

Hi there. I have a 165 LSAT (and a 154 :/) and a 3.96 gpa. I also have extensive undergraduate student government experiene as well as congressional campaign experience (2012-2014).

My reach school is Harvard, but I am also VERY interested in BC. I toured the campus and it's beautiful. I really felt at home there. I am from Las Vegas, and got my BA from UNLV. What are my chances of acceptance? Also, what are my chances of scholarship money??

Any insight would be helpful. Thanks!

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[Kratos]

Great info ab your chances here

Ok, you're from NV, and want to go to school in Boston? Do you have ties there or did you just like the way it looked? I would highly advise against BC unless you have significant ties to Boston.

But anyway. If you don't retake you're an idiot.

[EricHosmer]

You are not getting into Harvard with a 165 unless you are a URM or a world renowned expert in some field or you are a URM who is a world renowned expert in some field. Also, don't go to BC with no ties there. Also, you shouldn't go to some random law school across the country because it has a beautiful campus. If you're going to a non-T14 school (Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Penn, Virginia, Berkeley, Michigan, Duke, Northwestern, Cornell, Georgetown), pick one in a geographic area where you want to work, where you have ties to, and with good enough employment numbers. Googe "law school transparency" to find employment numbers for schools.

[lujanj7]

Great info ab your chances here

Ok, you're from NV, and want to go to school in Boston? Do you have ties there or did you just like the way it looked? I would highly advise against BC unless you have significant ties to Boston.

But anyway. If you don't retake you're an idiot.

I'm not retaking. I have a specific time-frame that I attempting to meet, and I gave it my all to get my 165. I don't know that I could do much better.

As for Boston, my fiance lives in Boston and I plan to move there. Is there some other compelling reason why BC would not be a good choice? I am not just attempting to go there because of the campus or "the way it looked." I appreciate your feedback, but am looking for constructive advice, not just people who are going to tell me I'm an idiot.

[Kratos]

Great info ab your chances here

Ok, you're from NV, and want to go to school in Boston? Do you have ties there or did you just like the way it looked? I would highly advise against BC unless you have significant ties to Boston.

But anyway. If you don't retake you're an idiot.

I'm not retaking. I have a specific time-frame that I attempting to meet, and I gave it my all to get my 165. I don't know that I could do much better.

As for Boston, my fiance lives in Boston and I plan to move there. Is there some other compelling reason why BC would not be a good choice? I am not just attempting to go there because of the campus or "the way it looked." I appreciate your feedback, but am looking for constructive advice, not just people who are going to tell me I'm an idiot.

Please tell me more about this strict deadline you must meet? Define giving it your all? How did you study? Have you worked full-time before? Why do you want to go to law school? What do you want to do with your degree?

Sorry if you were offended by the truth, but not retaking is a total waste of a good GPA.

[Ramius]

Great info ab your chances here

Ok, you're from NV, and want to go to school in Boston? Do you have ties there or did you just like the way it looked? I would highly advise against BC unless you have significant ties to Boston.

But anyway. If you don't retake you're an idiot.

I'm not retaking. I have a specific time-frame that I attempting to meet, and I gave it my all to get my 165. I don't know that I could do much better.

As for Boston, my fiance lives in Boston and I plan to move there. Is there some other compelling reason why BC would not be a good choice? I am not just attempting to go there because of the campus or "the way it looked." I appreciate your feedback, but am looking for constructive advice, not just people who are going to tell me I'm an idiot.

What are your goals?

[yomisterd]

Please please please check this out before making a decision.

Also, in order to go for cost of living (which I think most people would suggest given the employment numbers) you would need to get the full scholarship which would probably require a retake. I had a 167 and 3.9x GPA and barely got 1/3 tuition at UCLA (a "better" school than BC). I cranked and retook (twice) and it completely changed my outcome. It's worth the hard work (also I gained valuable job experience, which also didn't hurt).

[BigZuck]

Retake

[chuckbass]

Please please please check this out before making a decision.

Also, in order to go for cost of living (which I think most people would suggest given the employment numbers) you would need to get the full scholarship which would probably require a retake. I had a 167 and 3.9x GPA and barely got 1/3 tuition at UCLA (a "better" school than BC). I cranked and retook (twice) and it completely changed my outcome. It's worth the hard work (also I gained valuable job experience, which also didn't hurt).

OP should get solid $$$ at BC, but yes, TCR is still to retake.

[ManoftheHour]

Live at home for one more year/get a job at starbucks, study, retake, and enjoy Harvard. Don't be stupid. There are very little circumstances in which retaking is not possible.

[03152016]

you'd have to be a special kind of idiot to throw away a 3.96 on BC

[BearState]

OP if you are moving to Boston permanently there is no reason not to wait, take an LSAT course, and have a very real chance of going to one of the best law schools in the country. You could study LSAT full-time, get a job, and still go to law school in the future. There is no (apparent) downside to waiting.

[banjo]

7-8 more points gives you a good shot at HLS and big scholarships in the T14, so yes, you'd be an idiot not to retake. There is a MASSIVE difference in career prospects between BU and HLS.

[twenty]

-move to Boston with your fiance and get some crap job that pays the bills for a year
-study for, and retake the lsat
-look back on this post in a year and smirk jewishly over the fact that at one point you were considering boston college

[rdawkins28]

Can he smirk buddhistly instead (you know, like fat buddha smirk)?

[cooperlaserpup]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

[BigZuck]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

You got hosed if all you got is a little money with those numbers

It kinda depends on your definition of successful but probably at least a 1/3 of the BC graduating class is not successful by any metric. Is probably worse odds than that for someone with tenuous ties. It's definitely an iffy proposition, and not even close to Harvard's level as far as law schools go.

But mainly the OP should retake because settling would be dumb

[03152016]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

you got "a little money" from BC with 171/3.8?
what the fucking fuck
you got taken advantage of hard

[cooperlaserpup]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

you got "a little money" from BC with 171/3.8?
what the fucking fuck
you got taken advantage of hard

Well I didn't go there and I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know I got some money.

I didn't get "taken advantage of" by anyone. I landed my dream job doing exactly what I want to do doing it exactly where I want to but I certainly didn't have my pick of law schools and that 3.8 is coming out of an undergrad consistently ranked as a top 3 liberal arts college in any of the various rankings out there. But i learned a long time ago that the only people who are sure to benefit from a school's big name are those that couldn't work hard enough to achieve what they want from any school (within reason, accredited, etc.) In certain areas of practice it surely matters more than others, but there were 2500 applications for my job and they hired 9. Myself and a girl who went to Yale are T14. The rest are schools that TLS would certainly consider lowly and pathetic, some not even tier one. But those people paid a whole hell of a lot less for school than I did and excelled at their internships. It is all about knowing what you want and working hard for it.

That being said I'm not in big law, I know name recognition can be important in that sad, shallow world. But I also know loads of people coming out of Suffolk law in Boston who are making bank at big NY firms. Again, they worked their assess off to get their 1L and 2L summers.

OP, If you don't want to take the LSAT again than don't. If your comfortable with your choice and believe you can manage your debt than go and have a great career as countless BC grads do.

[chuckbass]

^the above reasoning is so flawed I just can't even

[hoos89]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

you got "a little money" from BC with 171/3.8?
what the fucking fuck
you got taken advantage of hard

Well I didn't go there and I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know I got some money.

I didn't get "taken advantage of" by anyone. I landed my dream job doing exactly what I want to do doing it exactly where I want to but I certainly didn't have my pick of law schools and that 3.8 is coming out of an undergrad consistently ranked as a top 3 liberal arts college in any of the various rankings out there. But i learned a long time ago that the only people who are sure to benefit from a school's big name are those that couldn't work hard enough to achieve what they want from any school (within reason, accredited, etc.) In certain areas of practice it surely matters more than others, but there were 2500 applications for my job and they hired 9. Myself and a girl who went to Yale are T14. The rest are schools that TLS would certainly consider lowly and pathetic, some not even tier one. But those people paid a whole hell of a lot less for school than I did and excelled at their internships. It is all about knowing what you want and working hard for it.

That being said I'm not in big law, I know name recognition can be important in that sad, shallow world. But I also know loads of people coming out of Suffolk law in Boston who are making bank at big NY firms. Again, they worked their assess off to get their 1L and 2L summers.

OP, If you don't want to take the LSAT again than don't. If your comfortable with your choice and believe you can manage your debt than go and have a great career as countless BC grads do.

Can you not even acknowledge that luck played a significant factor (especially for those at lower ranked schools)? Also, you're essentially advising OP to give up a chance at improving his LSAT which would either get OP 1. a full scholarship at BC or 2. a partial-full scholarship (depending on increase) at a T14 and/or 3. admission to HYS.

[runinthefront]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

what a dumb thing to say

[Kratos]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

you got "a little money" from BC with 171/3.8?
what the fucking fuck
you got taken advantage of hard

Well I didn't go there and I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know I got some money.

I didn't get "taken advantage of" by anyone. I landed my dream job doing exactly what I want to do doing it exactly where I want to but I certainly didn't have my pick of law schools and that 3.8 is coming out of an undergrad consistently ranked as a top 3 liberal arts college in any of the various rankings out there. But i learned a long time ago that the only people who are sure to benefit from a school's big name are those that couldn't work hard enough to achieve what they want from any school (within reason, accredited, etc.) In certain areas of practice it surely matters more than others, but there were 2500 applications for my job and they hired 9. Myself and a girl who went to Yale are T14. The rest are schools that TLS would certainly consider lowly and pathetic, some not even tier one. But those people paid a whole hell of a lot less for school than I did and excelled at their internships. It is all about knowing what you want and working hard for it.

That being said I'm not in big law, I know name recognition can be important in that sad, shallow world. But I also know loads of people coming out of Suffolk law in Boston who are making bank at big NY firms. Again, they worked their assess off to get their 1L and 2L summers.

OP, If you don't want to take the LSAT again than don't. If your comfortable with your choice and believe you can manage your debt than go and have a great career as countless BC grads do.

Define "loads"? I also know people from schools I wouldn't have gone to who ended up in biglaw or other prestigious positions. The issue isn't can you land that job, sure the possibility is there. The issue is the odds are against you even getting a legal job. Long story short, your advice is garbage.

[03152016]

People on here can be hyper aggressive. BC is a good school and there is no reason you can't be successful graduating from there. Know what you're getting into in terms of debt and prepare yourself accordingly.

That said, no shot at Harvard (anything below a 173 is pretty much out no matter what) but a good chance at BC. I got into BC with a little money with a 171 and 3.8.

Good luck! Boston is a great town

you got "a little money" from BC with 171/3.8?
what the fucking fuck
you got taken advantage of hard

Well I didn't go there and I don't remember the exact numbers, I just know I got some money.

I didn't get "taken advantage of" by anyone. I landed my dream job doing exactly what I want to do doing it exactly where I want to but I certainly didn't have my pick of law schools and that 3.8 is coming out of an undergrad consistently ranked as a top 3 liberal arts college in any of the various rankings out there. But i learned a long time ago that the only people who are sure to benefit from a school's big name are those that couldn't work hard enough to achieve what they want from any school (within reason, accredited, etc.) In certain areas of practice it surely matters more than others, but there were 2500 applications for my job and they hired 9. Myself and a girl who went to Yale are T14. The rest are schools that TLS would certainly consider lowly and pathetic, some not even tier one. But those people paid a whole hell of a lot less for school than I did and excelled at their internships. It is all about knowing what you want and working hard for it.

That being said I'm not in big law, I know name recognition can be important in that sad, shallow world. But I also know loads of people coming out of Suffolk law in Boston who are making bank at big NY firms. Again, they worked their assess off to get their 1L and 2L summers.

OP, If you don't want to take the LSAT again than don't. If your comfortable with your choice and believe you can manage your debt than go and have a great career as countless BC grads do.

you are the embodiment of the law school scam
suffolk has an employment score of 35.7

thirty
five
point
seven
percent

how dare you intimate that suffolk is a reasonable choice, that you can make "bank" at "big NY firms" if you work hard and hustle
and the audacity to recommend to a 3.9 ugpa hys gunner not to retake a 165

you make me sick