Curious about Variability in Outcomes (LSAT 168, GPA 3.95) Forum

[float55]

I included my numbers in case people are curious, but this post really isn't about that. (I'm NOT retaking!)

Rather, I'm interested to hear about people's experiences applying to many T14 schools, which is my plan. Have you found that it's "feast or famine," where your outcomes were pretty consistent across the board? Did you fair better at the more highly ranked than lower ranked schools? Did you get a random peppering of acceptances and rejections/waitlists?

The reason I'd like to know is that various online probability predictors are giving me chances around 50% for most of the T14 (with Yale at about 25% and Cornell at about 84%). I'd like to know if the attitude, "Hey, bound to get into at least a few," makes sense, or if things are more complicated than that. For instance, should I really think I have a 1 in 4 shot of getting into Yale?

Thanks alot.

[Toby Ziegler]

LOL @ trying to quantify Yale's admissions process. If I were you I would apply to every school in the T-14 and see how it shakes out. Even if you don't plan to attend it could be beneficial for scholarship negotiating.

[CFC1524]

LOL @ trying to quantify Yale's admissions process. If I were you I would apply to every school in the T-14 and see how it shakes out. Even if you don't plan to attend it could be beneficial for scholarship negotiating.

Agreed on all fronts.

Also, where did you get your numbers? I threw your stats into mylsn and it came up 1/17 for Yale.

168/3.95 (according to mylsn) means you're in at Georgetown and Cornell, a coin-flip at MVBP, slightly lower than a coin-flip at CCN, and probably out HYS (barring influential softs).

The sky is the limit (and the debt is a lot smaller) with a retake.

[czpczp]

ib4 retake?

[sublime]

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[Colonel_funkadunk]

LOL @ trying to quantify Yale's admissions process. If I were you I would apply to every school in the T-14 and see how it shakes out. Even if you don't plan to attend it could be beneficial for scholarship negotiating.

I thought the same thing

[Winston1984]

LOL @ trying to quantify Yale's admissions process. If I were you I would apply to every school in the T-14 and see how it shakes out. Even if you don't plan to attend it could be beneficial for scholarship negotiating.

Agreed on all fronts.

Also, where did you get your numbers? I threw your stats into mylsn and it came up 1/17 for Yale.

168/3.95 (according to mylsn) means you're in at Georgetown and Cornell, a coin-flip at MVBP, slightly lower than a coin-flip at CCN, and probably out HYS (barring influential softs).

The sky is the limit (and the debt is a lot smaller) with a retake.

Pretty right on, but I would say better than a coin flip at MVBP.

[BigZuck]

Retake

[float55]

168/3.95 (according to mylsn) means you're in at Georgetown and Cornell, a coin-flip at MVBP, slightly lower than a coin-flip at CCN, and probably out HYS (barring influential softs).

Are you saying that you think it's 50/50 for each of Michigan, UVA, Boalt, and Penn, meaning my odds of getting into at least one are very high, or that my odds of getting into at least one are 50/50 (which would be depressing)?


(I was going off of lawschoolpredictor.com and LSAC. I've looked at mylsn, but I'm not sure what to make of its data because of the small samples.)

[BigZuck]

Not retaking with those numbers would be an early contender for "Dumbest decision to not retake of the 2014/2015 law school application cycle."

Anyway, just use mylsn.info. No one here can help you better than that site can.

[Toby Ziegler]

168/3.95 (according to mylsn) means you're in at Georgetown and Cornell, a coin-flip at MVBP, slightly lower than a coin-flip at CCN, and probably out HYS (barring influential softs).

Are you saying that you think it's 50/50 for each of Michigan, UVA, Boalt, and Penn, meaning my odds of getting into at least one are very high, or that my odds of getting into at least one are 50/50 (which would be depressing)?


(I was going off of lawschoolpredictor.com and LSAC. I've looked at mylsn, but I'm not sure what to make of its data because of the small samples.)

I didn't say that. I think you will be in at UM no problem.

[Ramius]

168/3.95 (according to mylsn) means you're in at Georgetown and Cornell, a coin-flip at MVBP, slightly lower than a coin-flip at CCN, and probably out HYS (barring influential softs).

Are you saying that you think it's 50/50 for each of Michigan, UVA, Boalt, and Penn, meaning my odds of getting into at least one are very high, or that my odds of getting into at least one are 50/50 (which would be depressing)?


(I was going off of lawschoolpredictor.com and LSAC. I've looked at mylsn, but I'm not sure what to make of its data because of the small samples.)

mylsn may be small sample sizes, but it is the only truly representative sample out there. Use that and nothing else for your chances for a given school.

As for your chances, you're better than a coin flip at MVPB with that combo, but you're 100% with a 170+ retake. Think about it.

[Power_of_Facing]

OP, the people giving you 50/50 odds at MVPB are underestimating your chances by a good margin:



You'll most likely be out at HYS and waitlisted at Columbia (LSAT-mongers). You'll have slightly better than a coin flip shot at UChi (but I'd bet they accept you so long as you interview well and the rest of your application checks out). Recent data suggests that you're in at NYU on down (potential anomalies: Berk--the anti-Columbia--is a GPA-coveting black box, and Northwestern loves work experience).

While your chances are solid, you'd still be foolish not to retake the LSAT if you can improve your score. With just a bit more study and only few more LSAT points, your GPA could open every imaginable law school door and could save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. One more LSAT point and you're at median for Duke, Penn, and Virginia--go get it.

[float55]

[While your chances are solid, you'd still be foolish not to retake the LSAT if you can improve your score.[/quote]

I can't blame everybody who's telling me to retake. But my thinking is, unless these probability estimates are *wildly* inaccacurate, I'm already virtually guarenteed to get into a T10 school (or Cornell, whose graduate's employment success is ~6th best in the country). For instance, eventhough the mysln sample you selected was conservative ( no offense to people with 167s), it still yeilds a 94% chance of getting into Chicago, NYU, *or* Penn. So, rather than gun for the Septermber LSAT, my *safest* bet is to concentrate on doing the best job possible on the rest of my application, and apply early in the admissions cycle. True, I'm passing up an opportunity for significant scholarship money (*if* I score higher, which I may not), but the safety of my strategy feels worth the sacrifice.

[toothbrush]

I can't blame everybody who's telling me to retake. But my thinking is, unless these probability estimates are *wildly* inaccacurate, I'm already virtually guarenteed to get into a T10 school (or Cornell, whose graduate's employment success is ~6th best in the country). For instance, eventhough the mysln sample you selected was conservative ( no offense to people with 167s), it still yeilds a 94% chance of getting into Chicago, NYU, *or* Penn. So, rather than gun for the Septermber LSAT, my *safest* bet is to concentrate on doing the best job possible on the rest of my application, and apply early in the admissions cycle. True, I'm passing up an opportunity for significant scholarship money (*if* I score higher, which I may not), but the safety of my strategy feels worth the sacrifice.

cornell > yale confirmed

[Toby Ziegler]

I can't blame everybody who's telling me to retake. But my thinking is, unless these probability estimates are *wildly* inaccacurate, I'm already virtually guarenteed to get into a T10 school (or Cornell, whose graduate's employment success is ~6th best in the country). For instance, eventhough the mysln sample you selected was conservative ( no offense to people with 167s), it still yeilds a 94% chance of getting into Chicago, NYU, *or* Penn. So, rather than gun for the Septermber LSAT, my *safest* bet is to concentrate on doing the best job possible on the rest of my application, and apply early in the admissions cycle. True, I'm passing up an opportunity for significant scholarship money (*if* I score higher, which I may not), but the safety of my strategy feels worth the sacrifice.

cornell > yale confirmed

Bruh, you didn't hear?

[BigZuck]

Not retaking with those numbers would be an early contender for "Dumbest decision to not retake of the 2014/2015 law school application cycle."

+1

[jk148706]

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