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Post by earthabides » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:03 pm

I'm wondering what my chances are in regards to T14 law in the states. Especially any insight that could be provided about how my chances / scholarship opportunities are affected by coming from Canada.

I realize one practice test is not a realistic approximation of what I will score on the actual test but from what I've read there is a good chance I can significantly improve this score with studying?

My GPA will most likely be higher after my final year is completed.

Thanks for the help.
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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by Ti Malice » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:04 pm

If you scored 166 on a properly-timed diag, you can score in the high 170s with practice. Don't take the LSAT until you're at that level. Then apply to the entire T13. With a 3.84/176+, you'll be a near lock for H, and you'll receive loads of money at several schools.

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Post by earthabides » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:08 pm

Ti Malice wrote:If you scored 166 on a properly-timed diag, you can score in the high 170s with practice. Don't take the LSAT until you're at that level. Then apply to the entire T13. With a 3.84/176+, you'll be a near lock for H, and you'll receive loads of money at several schools.
Yeah I timed each section with a stopwatch. I ran out of time on the logic games so I got -10 on that section. So being from Canada is pretty much a non issue?

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Post by earthabides » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:39 pm

smccgrey wrote:Your GPA is great, and your diagnostic is not a bad place to start at all! Sky's the limit. But as a fellow Canadian, I have to ask - where do you actually want to practice?

If it's anywhere in Canada, it's not worth the money/hassle. You're better off going to UofT. From what I understand, even the prestige of HYS won't make that much of a difference in Canada, and moving back is a big pain in the ass.

If you want to work long term in the states, then go for it! Kill the LSAT and enjoy some t14 scholly money (that's all merit based as far as I know - it's need based aid that might not happen as an international student. TBH I'm not clear on this, but I have US citizenship so I don't need to worry)

And you can improve the LSAT score substantially with studying, and running out of time on LG is normal at first. That's the best weakness to have actually- tons of LG drilling can help you improve speed and accuracy to the point that you'll be getting -0 pretty consistently.


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Thanks! I don't mind working in the states or Canada but a big scholarship south of the border vs U of T at 30k tuition.. I think I'd pick working in the states.

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Post by sighsigh » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:24 pm

smccgrey wrote:
earthabides wrote: Thanks! I don't mind working in the states or Canada but a big scholarship south of the border vs U of T at 30k tuition.. I think I'd pick working in the states.
Yeah, don't blame you! I am from Toronto originally, moved away as soon as I graduated from HS, and never, ever want to live there again.
Haha, what's wrong with Toronto?

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by Ti Malice » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:40 pm

earthabides wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:If you scored 166 on a properly-timed diag, you can score in the high 170s with practice. Don't take the LSAT until you're at that level. Then apply to the entire T13. With a 3.84/176+, you'll be a near lock for H, and you'll receive loads of money at several schools.
Yeah I timed each section with a stopwatch. I ran out of time on the logic games so I got -10 on that section. So being from Canada is pretty much a non issue?
You're in pretty ideal shape for the LSAT, then, as LG performance is the easiest to improve of all. Keep studying until you're ready to dominate.

I haven't heard any Canadians on this site complain of being at a disadvantage for receiving merit aid.

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by earthabides » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:12 pm

Ti Malice wrote:If you scored 166 on a properly-timed diag, you can score in the high 170s with practice. Don't take the LSAT until you're at that level. Then apply to the entire T13. With a 3.84/176+, you'll be a near lock for H, and you'll receive loads of money at several schools.
Is it realistic to expect my score to increase that much from studying? Trying not to get my hopes up too much yet. Getting my hands on the Powerscore LG bible

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by ilikebaseball » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:18 pm

Youre in a very enviable position. You got a 166 on your diagnostic, but missed 10 in LG? You can literally master LG in like under a month. Usually its one of the other two that kill people after consistent studying. LG tends to improve drastically after focusing on it. If you cut that -10 into -1 or 0 Then you'll have a mid 170's score. With that + GPA you can get in with $ to pretty much anywhere except Yale

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by earthabides » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:31 pm

choward014 wrote:Youre in a very enviable position. You got a 166 on your diagnostic, but missed 10 in LG? You can literally master LG in like under a month. Usually its one of the other two that kill people after consistent studying. LG tends to improve drastically after focusing on it. If you cut that -10 into -1 or 0 Then you'll have a mid 170's score. With that + GPA you can get in with $ to pretty much anywhere except Yale
Well time to start working then! Thanks.

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Post by pertristis » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:47 pm

earthabides wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:If you scored 166 on a properly-timed diag, you can score in the high 170s with practice. Don't take the LSAT until you're at that level. Then apply to the entire T13. With a 3.84/176+, you'll be a near lock for H, and you'll receive loads of money at several schools.
Is it realistic to expect my score to increase that much from studying? Trying not to get my hopes up too much yet. Getting my hands on the Powerscore LG bible
Absolutely. I went from a diagnostic about where you are to a 177, and all the gain came from logic games.

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by serdog » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:24 am

The thing is you don`t need to go to UofT to land big law there are cheaper opitions some of which will give good money. American school other then maybe HY are not worth it unless you are sure you would be happy working in US BigLaw. That said nothing wrong with getting a high as possible LSAT applying and deciding

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by canuckabroad » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:18 pm

I started with a 164 diagnostic and got 170 in June - but I had practiced much higher. I'm Canadian too and I've actually been told it is a bit of an advantage for admissions, since we are considered International students (still waiting to see if this is true when I apply this fall).

Also - is your GPA really 3.84? I did a semester in Canada to start and had a few A+'s, which ended up boosting my LSAC calculated GPA by a decent bit. A+'s count as 4.33's, A's count as 4.0's and so on.

And to whoever suggested McGill... unless you can and want to speak/read/write French, I wouldn't apply.

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Re: Canadian Student, 166 diagnostic, 3.84 gpa

Post by earthabides » Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:12 pm

canuckabroad wrote:I started with a 164 diagnostic and got 170 in June - but I had practiced much higher. I'm Canadian too and I've actually been told it is a bit of an advantage for admissions, since we are considered International students (still waiting to see if this is true when I apply this fall).

Also - is your GPA really 3.84? I did a semester in Canada to start and had a few A+'s, which ended up boosting my LSAC calculated GPA by a decent bit. A+'s count as 4.33's, A's count as 4.0's and so on.

And to whoever suggested McGill... unless you can and want to speak/read/write French, I wouldn't apply.
Yeah my LSAC gpa is 3.84, my GPA calculated in the Canadian system is 3.7x because I don't get any 4.33's . I hope what you said about international students is true. Have you completed your undergrad? It'd be nice if I could apply when my internship is finished (August 2015) but I might have to apply after I finish my last year because I only have one prof I could get a great recommendation from at the moment. On the + side I'd have a higher GPA after my last year I guess.

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