Chances for Full Ride at Seton Hall Forum

[DaRascal]

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[inlovewithpiper]

I had a full ride last year with a 3.61/161 and I'm a URM (PR) but I also applied in early November last year and went complete in November. This year I retook the December LSAT and scored lower so my file still isn't complete and my GPA dropped to 3.49 in my senior year of college last year.

Do I have a good chance to get a full ride again even with my app not going complete till January because the LSAT median at SH dropped or did I screw myself over?

Retake.

[DaRascal]

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[Young Marino]

You're lsat is good but man I think that drop in gpa is gonna hurt you. You are a urm though so I would say yea you're probably good on the full ride but I'd feel more secure saying that if you still had a 3.6

[guano]

How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly

[DaRascal]

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[goldenflash19]

Nah that ain't me.

Why not? Retaking sucks, but you're leaving money, job prospects, and career earning potential on the table by not doing it

How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly

Dude, how do you figure? If I go to SH, I'm gonna work like a beast!

So is almost every other kid in your potentially stacked section. You know the right thing to do.

[guano]

How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly

Dude, how do you figure? If I go to SH, I'm gonna work like a beast!

They (allegedly) put all scholarship kids in the same section, so they're all competing with each other. Instead of competing with a reasonable representation of the entering class, you're basically being pitted against the other smart, hard working, scholarship kids.
Effectively, instead of being one of the top 1/4 (or whatever the stip is) of the entire class, you need to be the top 1/4 of the top 1/3 (or whatever proportion get scholarships); math: 1/4 * 1/3 = 1/12 (meaning you need to be top 1/12 to maintain your scholly)


(Please adjust the formula for actual stip & section size)

[bjsesq]

How bad are the stips?
Seton Hall is rumored to section stack, so there's a good chance you'll lose that scholly

Dude, how do you figure? If I go to SH, I'm gonna work like a beast!

Good thing nobody else will, MIRITE?

[Clearly]

I can't wait till you go to law school and stop posting.
Eta:I actually like your bipolar shtick and am sorry the retake didn't go as planned.

[phillywc]

I can't wait till you go to law school and stop posting.

Personally, I'd argue for a BoW ban and i'm not usually a fan.

[DaRascal]

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[DaRascal]

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[guano]

Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.

What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?

[Young Marino]

Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.

What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?

I would apply to some peer schools, higher ranked schools and TTTs in order to get some negotiating done to see if you can drop those stips

[Young Marino]

Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.

What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?

I would apply to some peer schools, higher ranked schools and TTTs in order to get some negotiating done to see if you can drop those stips

[Young Marino]

Well, guano, if there is section stacking and I go to SH you better believe I'm going to tell all of my professors about it on the first day of classes.

What difference will that make, other than to volunteer for the downward part of a tie breaker?

I would apply to some peer schools, higher ranked schools and TTTs in order to get some negotiating done to see if you can drop those stips

[Creditisgood]

Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 70pct

% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%

Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.

[nothingtosee]

Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 30pct

% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%

Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.

The retention rate is 70%.

[Creditisgood]

They (allegedly) put all scholarship kids in the same section, so they're all competing with each other. Instead of competing with a reasonable representation of the entering class, you're basically being pitted against the other smart, hard working, scholarship kids.

This is the first time I hear of this tactic. Is it a rumor? Can a SHLS graduate confirm? Only at Seton Hall? Is it a common practice for LS ?

[guano]

They (allegedly) put all scholarship kids in the same section, so they're all competing with each other. Instead of competing with a reasonable representation of the entering class, you're basically being pitted against the other smart, hard working, scholarship kids.

This is the first time I hear of this tactic. Is it a rumor? Can a SHLS graduate confirm? Only at Seton Hall? Is it a common practice for LS ?

It doesn't happen at the top end of the law school spectrum, as better schools tend not to have any stips. Crappier schools tend to have worse stips, and while I don't think it is common practice, there are a number of schools rumored to employ this tactic. I remember seeing a list a few years ago of about 10-20 schools alleged to do this, and Seton Hall was on that list. I've also seen the allegation somewhere else.


I do not know for a fact that they do this, and am merely passing along a rumor that I heard.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=104185
http://ask.metafilter.com/185460/Trying ... -vs-Drexel
(there's more, but, fuck it if I'm gonna do your research for you)

[NYstate]

The only reason for a school to use stips is to ensure that a certain percentage of students will lose their scholarships. That way, they have money available to scam the next class of admits to attend on a "full ride." That full ride is really nothing more than a one year tuition scholarship and you would be foolish to count on it continuing. Note that it usually doesn't cover tuition increases.

Most 0Ls have done decently in undergrad but they have no concept of the mandatory curve. Only a set number of students are going to get As in any class. You really can't depend on getting any grade in any class.

No legitimate school places stips on scholarships (other than good standing I guess)


Look at Campos old blog inside the law school scam for articles on this. I think the New York Times had an article or two on stips- be sure to read their articles.

[NYstate]

Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 70pct

% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%

Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.

You think it is reasonable for a school to promise full rides knowing that 30% of the students will lose them? Most of those students only went to the school because of the scholarship. Now they are looking at dropping out or borrowing six figures of debt to continue school . Do you think that is what they expected when they got a full- ride? No, they all expected someone else would lose the scholarship but they would be fine.

There is absolutely nothing acceptable about a school giving scholarships knowing that 30% will lose it and will most likely turn into full tuition paying students. Putting all the scholarship kids together ensures that the schools projections will be accurate.

I feel that these stips are an unethical practice designed to entice students to attend on false expectations.

[riverwater]

Here are Seton Hall scholarship retention numbers: around 70pct

% Reduced or Eliminated
2009:31% 2010:30% 2011:36% 2012:29%

Quite high in my opinion and very consistent.

You think it is reasonable for a school to promise full rides knowing that 30% of the students will lose them? Most of those students only went to the school because of the scholarship. Now they are looking at dropping out or borrowing six figures of debt to continue school . Do you think that is what they expected when they got a full- ride? No, they all expected someone else would lose the scholarship but they would be fine.

There is absolutely nothing acceptable about a school giving scholarships knowing that 30% will lose it and will most likely turn into full tuition paying students. Putting all the scholarship kids together ensures that the schools projections will be accurate.

I feel that these stips are an unethical practice designed to entice students to attend on false expectations.

I completely agree with you. Schools should be required to report how many students lose their scholarships.

[guano]

I feel that these stips are an unethical practice designed to entice students to attend on false expectations.

I completely agree with you. Schools should be required to report how many students lose their scholarships.

As DaRascal has already made abundantly clear, this won't make a significant difference