171 3.6 Retake, Yield Protection. Forum

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:24 pm

Retook a 164, ended up with a 171.

1 year of WE
3.62 LSAC GPA

I want to blanket the t14 from Columbia down but I'm not sure if it's worth it to send apps out to CCN. LSP is showing ~30% with my numbers.

1.) Is it a realistic expectation to get in to CCN with my scores?

2.) How far down the list should I go to grab schollys? At what point do I start meeting Yield Protections?

3.) As for UCLA/USC it looks like I will be able to get into at least one...How much scholarship money should I be expecting? Does it help to ED UCLA?

Campagnolo · Post by **Campagnolo** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:30 pm

I think Michigan, Duke, and Cornell will throw money at you with those numbers. Don't ED to UCLA.

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:32 pm

I forgot to mention that I am a CA native and would like to work in the state if possible. Will I have any problems getting back to california from those schools?

twenty · Post by **twenty** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:47 pm

You'll have trouble getting work in CA from any school -- our market is really bad right now. I wouldn't go to UCLA/USC unless you get a full ride, and barring that, take whatever partial scholarship you get from mid-T14 to minimize debt. You're probably going to have to warm up to the idea of being in a non-CA market (read: NYC) for a few years.

soj · Post by **soj** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:57 pm

1) http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com
2) http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com
3) http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com, don't ED

You'll probably end up choosing between a lower T14 with a little bit of money and UCLA/USC with a little more money.

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:10 am

How much money should I be looking for from USC/UCLA and the lower t14?

Also, How much would EDing Columbia or NYU up my chances?

Campagnolo · Post by **Campagnolo** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:46 am

bobbyflayed wrote:How much money should I be looking for from USC/UCLA and the lower t14?

Also, How much would EDing Columbia or NYU up my chances?

If you really want to go to a particular school and are willing to pay sticker there, then ED. If not, don't. I think the bump is minimal. Except at UVA.

Samara · Post by **Samara** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:56 am

I would strongly suggest applying ED to NU if they continue the full-scholly program. It's probably not worth it to ED anywhere else and if you ED to NU, you either get a full-ride (well, almost) at a strong T14 that sends plenty of people back to Cali or you're released from the ED and you get to take your pick. Your numbers are in the right range, but you're a tad light on WE. What is your WE?

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:30 am

I worked sales for a small distribution firm but I quit 3 months ago to focus on the LSAT. I'm currently an SAT tutor and looking for a new job.

Samara · Post by **Samara** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:35 am

bobbyflayed wrote:I worked sales for a small distribution firm but I quit 3 months ago to focus on the LSAT. I'm currently an SAT tutor and looking for a new job.

Hmm...hard to say. But I think it's the best use of your ED, unless you really want Columbia or Chicago for some reason.

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:47 pm

Well I want columbia more than anything, but with my numbers I'm kind of wondering if I'm just throwing away the ED.

pizzaguy1 · Post by **pizzaguy1** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:27 am

I have very similar numbers to you and applied to the same range of T14s and USC and UCLA although I did apply fairly late in the cycle(after the December LSAT). If your cycle turns out anything like mine you will get into the lower and mid T14s and maybe CCN(not too sure about these schools though it really depends). With regard to USC and UCLA you should expect a good amount of money unless my cycle was a complete outlier year, and I would say somewhere between $60,000-$90,000 for either one. I don't think you should ED unless you are absolutely set on going to that school and if you think it is worth it to go to that school without any scholarship money, it's up to you though so good luck.

soj · Post by **soj** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:28 pm

bobbyflayed wrote:Well I want columbia more than anything, but with my numbers I'm kind of wondering if I'm just throwing away the ED.

If you want it that bad, retake.

pupshaw · Post by **pupshaw** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:51 pm

ED NYU

Yukos · Post by **Yukos** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:12 pm

cerealdan wrote:ED NYU

I've heard NYU is the worst of the T10 for trying to go outside NY. That is, NYU more than earns it's CCN place due to its placing power in NY (and PI strength), but UVA or Mich might be better for trying to get back to Cali. If someone else can confirm or deny this I'd love to know for my own purposes.

Anyway, according to http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... edtime=any his chances are Columbia are 0%, but he looks good for some $$ at Mich. I'd go with that over NYU ED personally.

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:14 pm

soj wrote:
bobbyflayed wrote:Well I want columbia more than anything, but with my numbers I'm kind of wondering if I'm just throwing away the ED.
If you want it that bad, retake.

Can't retake, I tried three times already.

ED NYU

I have 3 retakes, cancel/164/171. Doesnt NYU average and won't this averaging destroy my chances?

soj · Post by **soj** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:21 pm

bobbyflayed wrote:I have 3 retakes, cancel/164/171. Doesnt NYU average and won't this averaging destroy my chances?

Your chances at NYU are bad because you're below both medians. NYU doesn't really average--if you look at the LSN graph, you'll see NYU accepts basically everyone whose numbers are good enough, and you've got to think some of those people were retakers who had lower initial LSAT scores.

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:38 pm

How much does EDing post an NYU app?

pupshaw · Post by **pupshaw** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:30 pm

bobbyflayed wrote:How much does EDing post an NYU app?

At least a bit, unlike Columbia, where many people feel that there is no discernible boost. While this is obviously just one data point and you shouldn't extrapolate too much from it, a friend of mine got into NYU ED with a 3.65/170, no real softs.

NedStark12 · Post by **NedStark12** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:04 pm

soj wrote:
bobbyflayed wrote:I have 3 retakes, cancel/164/171. Doesnt NYU average and won't this averaging destroy my chances?
Your chances at NYU are bad because you're below both medians. NYU doesn't really average--if you look at the LSN graph, you'll see NYU accepts basically everyone whose numbers are good enough, and you've got to think some of those people were retakers who had lower initial LSAT scores.

I wouldn't say the chances are 'bad'...here's some #'s over the past 3 cycles from myLSN with a 170-171, 3.6-3.65 range of people who got their app out BETWEEN AUGUST AND NOVEMBER (excluding URM).

http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... d=Included

The chance of acceptance for NON-ED apps is 50%....6 IN...1 OUT...5 WL. And I would say an ED application gives him at least somewhat of a boost, especially if he gets out the app in this timeframe.

My advice: You'll definitely get $ from a lower T14 schools but if you really want NYU and don't care about debt then send out the ED app since you have a pretty good shot based on the stats.

EDIT: MyLSN seems to be down right now, so either check out the link later or run the numbers yourself at another time.

LSATSCORES2012 · Post by **LSATSCORES2012** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:14 pm

NedStark12 wrote:EDIT: MyLSN seems to be down right now, so either check out the link later or run the numbers yourself at another time.

Sorry about that :/ not sure what happened, but it's back up now

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:06 am

Are Penn and NYU pretty much peer schools?

kwais · Post by **kwais** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:07 am

bobbyflayed wrote:Are Penn and NYU pretty much peer schools?

I'm excited

bobbyflayed · Post by **bobbyflayed** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:03 pm

? For biglaw placement?

Yukos · Post by **Yukos** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:14 pm

NYU is generally considered part of "CCN" (Columbia, Chicago and NYU), while Penn is part of the lower subtier MVPB (UM, UVA, Penn and Berkeley). Both place very well in New York, but conventional wisdom is NYU has the edge.

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