Chances at UT for an in-state splitter? UPDATED

[shifty_eyed]

3.28 GPA
172 June LSAT (2 170s on record)
Graduated in 2010 and have been working since then.
No good softs, should have very good LOR from employer, decent LOR from professor.
I think I can write an okay PS.

I want to work in Texas after graduation for sure. Not sure if I want to risk giving up a chance at Penn or UVA, which I would only have if I ED, to try to get into UT-Austin, since best-case scenario seems to be waitlist --> acceptance. Scared of getting locked out of everywhere except Vandy at sticker or something.

[emkay625]

3.23/173 in-state here, also had work experience.

applied back in October, got waitlisted, but got off of the waitlist in late February.

I wrote 3 very-detailed and very specific LOCIs, which I think helped.

[shifty_eyed]

3.23/173 in-state here, also had work experience.

applied back in October, got waitlisted, but got off of the waitlist in late February.

I wrote 3 very-detailed and very specific LOCIs, which I think helped.

Congrats! Do you plan on attending?

I am pretty sure UT is my top choice from a financial point of view, since even if I get in to other top schools, I doubt I'd get a significant enough scholarship to make it cheaper than UT.

[emkay625]

3.23/173 in-state here, also had work experience.

applied back in October, got waitlisted, but got off of the waitlist in late February.

I wrote 3 very-detailed and very specific LOCIs, which I think helped.

Congrats! Do you plan on attending?

I am pretty sure UT is my top choice from a financial point of view, since even if I get in to other top schools, I doubt I'd get a significant enough scholarship to make it cheaper than UT.

yup! I will be attending. Got a scholarship to Northwestern and to Georgetown, but UT was still significantly cheaper.

[kalvano]

UT generally has a pretty hard 3.5 floor, but with the slowdown in apps, they might be more inclined to dip lower.

I do think that the previous poster who got in is more an exception than the rule though.

[emkay625]

UT generally has a pretty hard 3.5 floor, but with the slowdown in apps, they might be more inclined to dip lower.

I do think that the previous poster who got in is more an exception than the rule though.

It looks like they realized that they were a point low LSAT median wise they let 5 in-state splitters off of the waitlist on the same day (and that's just people i know/people on lsn). I think it would not have happened had their LSAT median been not too low and they realized they needed to do something to quickly fix it, so i would say you couldn't bank on it happening again next year.

The one piece of advice i do have is to be persistent. If you find yourself in a waitlist position, pm me and i'll help guide you through exactly what i did.

[shifty_eyed]

UT generally has a pretty hard 3.5 floor, but with the slowdown in apps, they might be more inclined to dip lower.

I do think that the previous poster who got in is more an exception than the rule though.

It looks like they realized that they were a point low LSAT median wise they let 5 in-state splitters off of the waitlist on the same day (and that's just people i know/people on lsn). I think it would not have happened had their LSAT median been not too low and they realized they needed to do something to quickly fix it, so i would say you couldn't bank on it happening again next year.

The one piece of advice i do have is to be persistent. If you find yourself in a waitlist position, pm me and i'll help guide you through exactly what i did.

Ok.

Sounds like UVA ED might be a better bet for admission, as long as I don't mind being poor.

[emkay625]

UT generally has a pretty hard 3.5 floor, but with the slowdown in apps, they might be more inclined to dip lower.

I do think that the previous poster who got in is more an exception than the rule though.

It looks like they realized that they were a point low LSAT median wise they let 5 in-state splitters off of the waitlist on the same day (and that's just people i know/people on lsn). I think it would not have happened had their LSAT median been not too low and they realized they needed to do something to quickly fix it, so i would say you couldn't bank on it happening again next year.

The one piece of advice i do have is to be persistent. If you find yourself in a waitlist position, pm me and i'll help guide you through exactly what i did.

Ok.

Sounds like UVA ED might be a better bet for admission, as long as I don't mind being poor.

Don't be discouraged! I was in the same place. I was going to ED to UVA because I knew it was much less of a risk, but ended up not because I'm a "follow your dreams" kind of person. In the end, it did pay off.

If I were you: Get all of your letters of rec and essays written now, don't ED anywhere, but intead, apply everywhere the very first day apps are out. Make sure you write a very strong and detailed why UVA essay and apply their first day. It is a bit riskier without the ED, but you won't be stuck in that "what-if" place for the rest of your life.

[shifty_eyed]

UT generally has a pretty hard 3.5 floor, but with the slowdown in apps, they might be more inclined to dip lower.

I do think that the previous poster who got in is more an exception than the rule though.

It looks like they realized that they were a point low LSAT median wise they let 5 in-state splitters off of the waitlist on the same day (and that's just people i know/people on lsn). I think it would not have happened had their LSAT median been not too low and they realized they needed to do something to quickly fix it, so i would say you couldn't bank on it happening again next year.

The one piece of advice i do have is to be persistent. If you find yourself in a waitlist position, pm me and i'll help guide you through exactly what i did.

Ok.

Sounds like UVA ED might be a better bet for admission, as long as I don't mind being poor.

Don't be discouraged! I was in the same place. I was going to ED to UVA because I knew it was much less of a risk, but ended up not because I'm a "follow your dreams" kind of person. In the end, it did pay off.

If I were you: Get all of your letters of rec and essays written now, don't ED anywhere, but intead, apply everywhere the very first day apps are out. Make sure you write a very strong and detailed why UVA essay and apply their first day. It is a bit riskier without the ED, but you won't be stuck in that "what-if" place for the rest of your life.

My mind changes all the time!! I'm going to TRY to put this out of my mind until I get my LSAT score, since that may change things a bit. Then I will probably be blowing up your PM inbox asking for advice LOL

[shifty_eyed]

I updated my OP

[LSATSCORES2012]

I updated my OP

I dunno... ED at UVA with your numbers has an 83% acceptance rate. But it looks like you could also do Texas, if you wanted to. Probably the safer bet, especially if you're a Texas resident. According to that chart, both applicants got scholarships, too.

Check it: http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... ny&ed=Only

[shifty_eyed]

I updated my OP

I dunno... ED at UVA with your numbers has an 83% acceptance rate. But it looks like you could also do Texas, if you wanted to. Probably the safer bet, especially if you're a Texas resident. According to that chart, both applicants got scholarships, too.

Check it: http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... ny&ed=Only

UT doesn't have ED though, so kind of confused about that chart. They have EA, but it's nonbinding.

I personally don't think UVA sticker would be worth it over UT in-state (plus possibly free housing), but UVA sticker would definitely be worth it over NO UT.

[shifty_eyed]

Apply EA to Texas and apply everywhere else right away, and then if you get dinged or waitlsited at Texas switch your UVA app to ED.

Getting back to Texas from UVA doesn't seem like it would be THAT difficult.

My worry is more about cost than getting back to Texas, although I would not mind working in NYC at all for a few years.

[sn20]

Apply EA to Texas and apply everywhere else right away, and then if you get dinged or waitlsited at Texas switch your UVA app to ED.

Getting back to Texas from UVA doesn't seem like it would be THAT difficult.

This is right. If you apply EA to Texas you'll hear by mid-Nov ish? I heard back on Halloween and then you can switch your UVA app to ED if necessary.

[shifty_eyed]

Apply EA to Texas and apply everywhere else right away, and then if you get dinged or waitlsited at Texas switch your UVA app to ED.

Getting back to Texas from UVA doesn't seem like it would be THAT difficult.

This is right. If you apply EA to Texas you'll hear by mid-Nov ish? I heard back on Halloween and then you can switch your UVA app to ED if necessary.

Would y'all recommend switching to UVA ED if waitlisted at UT or only if rejected?

[shifty_eyed]

My worry is more about cost than getting back to Texas, although I would not mind working in NYC at all for a few years.

What's the market salary in Houston/Dallas? If it's anything like ATL then a small salary cut in exchange for lower cost of living might be beneficial, especially with no state income tax.

But if it's TTT like 110K/yr or something then fuck that.

I read somewhere on here that they pay 160k/yr, which seems too good to be true.

[shifty_eyed]

Would y'all recommend switching to UVA ED if waitlisted at UT or only if rejected?

Which do you want more? To go to law school at UT or be T14 secure?

IDK TFLEMING.

IDK.

[LSATSCORES2012]

I updated my OP

I dunno... ED at UVA with your numbers has an 83% acceptance rate. But it looks like you could also do Texas, if you wanted to. Probably the safer bet, especially if you're a Texas resident. According to that chart, both applicants got scholarships, too.

Check it: http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... ny&ed=Only

UT doesn't have ED though, so kind of confused about that chart. They have EA, but it's nonbinding.

I personally don't think UVA sticker would be worth it over UT in-state (plus possibly free housing), but UVA sticker would definitely be worth it over NO UT.

It's based on LSN, so some LSN users likely marked that they applied ED when they actually applied EA.

[TheThriller]

I know you've been in the work force and dying to go to LS but if you can take another year if needed, it may be worth it to apply to UT and see what happens. But I honestly would ED MVorP and, EA Cornell and us GULC as a back-up ED. Even though Texas is insular, a T14 degree will get you back there. Although it may seem "risky" to apply ED to MVP-CG while having an app pending at UT, it really only is a win/win for you: A great national LS/vs./A great region LS.

I know UT is you're dream school but i highly doubt you will be regretting attending a T14 off an ED. I can think of more situations where the "what if" moment would occur if you took UT over a t14 actually.

I hope this helps!

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

My worry is more about cost than getting back to Texas, although I would not mind working in NYC at all for a few years.

What's the market salary in Houston/Dallas? If it's anything like ATL then a small salary cut in exchange for lower cost of living might be beneficial, especially with no state income tax.

But if it's TTT like 110K/yr or something then fuck that.

110k in houston or dallas is more than 160k in NYC.

[kalvano]

A lot of Texas firms pay $160K.

[Nova]

I think you'll likely get in.

On LSN, 171-173/3.2-3.4/non URM/Since '06: 21 in; 17 out. That does not take into account the residency bump.

http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?usege ... d=Included

[thewaterlanding]

A lot of Texas firms pay $160K.

Credited.

[Elston Gunn]

I read somewhere on here that they pay 160k/yr, which seems too good to be true.

I'd be surprised if they paid NYC/CHI/LA/DC money (160K) outside of boutique firms but I wouldn't be surprised if they paid about 145K, which, combined with a lower cost of living and no state income tax, seems to beat 160K in a major market at face value.

http://www.nalpdirectory.com/Page.cfm?PageID=34

Market is $160k for first years, at least at the bigger firms. I believe TX firms have lower raises than NYC, but NYC satellite firms stay on NYC scale. It's an incredible deal if you like Texas.

[de5igual]

I read somewhere on here that they pay 160k/yr, which seems too good to be true.

I'd be surprised if they paid NYC/CHI/LA/DC money (160K) outside of boutique firms but I wouldn't be surprised if they paid about 145K, which, combined with a lower cost of living and no state income tax, seems to beat 160K in a major market at face value.

I was kinda surprised ATL pays only 135K. Pretty much all Texas biglaw starts out at 160.