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[cgjeon]

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[2014]

You should have a reasonable shot at UCLA/USC but they will probably be at sticker. Also don't be surprised if you get waitlisted, they are stricter on GPA than other schools in their range. Berkeley is not happening. Cornell you should be in but again a WL wouldn't be a total shock.

As for other schools:
If you want T14 you will probably get into Georgetown regardless and Northwestern assuming you are 2 years out of undergrad.
Duke - Out
Michigan - In with ED, maybe in with early RD, probably WL
Virginia - In with ED, WL without
Penn - Maybe in with ED, WL without
NYU - Maybe in with ED, WL without
Columbia/Chicago - WL/Out
HYS - Don't waste the app money

Don't count on money from any of them.

I'd consider applying to Davis, Hastings, or UCI to have a T1 option in Cali with money and I would probably apply to maybe Vandy and hope they throw a scholarship your way to attempt to leverage UCLA or USC.

In terms of T14 schools though prepare for a lot of WLs unless you are willing to ED and given your professed liking for Cali it would be pretty risky to ED to MVP and end up across the country at sticker (though their placement is probably as good or better in Cali biglaw than everyone short of T6 + UCB).

[emkay625]

Here's how I did with a 3.23/173 and 4 years of WE:

NYU - never even got a response
Columbia - reject
Penn - WL
Michigan - WL
Virginia - WL
Duke - WL
Cornell - WL
Northwestern - accept, $60K
Georgetown - accept
Vanderbilt - accept, $65K
Texas - accept, $21K + in-state tuition
WUSTL accept, $84K
and in at about 10 lower ranked schools.

Sent in all of my apps the last week of October/first week of November.

[cgjeon]

Thank you for explaining thoroughly.

I had a feeling CA schools will be stricter on GPA than LSAT itself than other schools.
So I might have to pass on USC and UCLA but I will apply anyway. Wouldn't be surprised with WL.

I was looking into University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Emory University, Boston University and Boston College.

How are my chances on these schools? And what is the difference in reputation between BU and BC?
Obviously Universities are usually better than Colleges but in this case, BC is higher in rank for undergrad.
Kind of confused. I need some clarification.

No one has talked about my DUI case yet with my probation.

How will it effect my situation? Anyone?

[cgjeon]

Did you ED anywhere?

Here's how I did with a 3.23/173 and 4 years of WE:

NYU - never even got a response
Columbia - reject
Penn - WL
Michigan - WL
Virginia - WL
Duke - WL
Cornell - WL
Northwestern - accept, $60K
Georgetown - accept
Vanderbilt - accept, $65K
Texas - accept, $21K + in-state tuition
WUSTL accept, $84K
and in at about 10 lower ranked schools.

Sent in all of my apps the last week of October/first week of November.

[Br3v]

Did you take feb. LSAT or something?

[cgjeon]

How are you so certain with ED chances?
Are you looking at LSP? or Just your experienced judgement?

As for other schools:
If you want T14 you will probably get into Georgetown regardless and Northwestern assuming you are 2 years out of undergrad.
Duke - Out
Michigan - In with ED, maybe in with early RD, probably WL
Virginia - In with ED, WL without
Penn - Maybe in with ED, WL without
NYU - Maybe in with ED, WL without
Columbia/Chicago - WL/Out
HYS - Don't waste the app money

[2014]

Thank you for explaining thoroughly.

I had a feeling CA schools will be stricter on GPA than LSAT itself than other schools.
So I might have to pass on USC and UCLA but I will apply anyway. Wouldn't be surprised with WL.

I was looking into University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Emory University, Boston University and Boston College.

How are my chances on these schools? And what is the difference in reputation between BU and BC?
Obviously Universities are usually better than Colleges but in this case, BC is higher in rank for undergrad.
Kind of confused. I need some clarification.

No one has talked about my DUI case yet with my probation.

How will it effect my situation? Anyone?

By all means apply to USC and UCLA they are worth the app fees with your chances.
Should be in at basically everything from #20 on down, including those 4.
BC and BU are the definition of peer schools, there's an 80 page thread debating which is better somewhere but they are basically the same. Just comes down to which you like culturally better and whether one gives you more money. Boston College is a University, it's just a naming thing.
DUI won't do significant damage if you own up to it in an addendum, don't make excuses, and concisely express that you have learned from it and won't do anything so dumb again. People with worse issues have gotten into better schools so don't worry too much.

[2014]

How are you so certain with ED chances?
Are you looking at LSP? or Just your experienced judgement?

I have a 3.3/175 and spent a way more than healthy amount of time researching how my cycle should go. This was done mostly through LSN and reading through a small mountain of threads from people with similar numbers applying to target schools.

[jkpolk]

I hear you could get a full ride to Golden Gate University School of Law with those numbers- I'd apply there, and Stetson. Possibly University of Tennessee-Knoxville also.

[Br3v]

I hear you could get a full ride to Golden Gate University School of Law with those numbers- I'd apply there, and Stetson. Possibly University of Tennessee-Knoxville also.

This is an on topic thread.
OP ignore this.

[hdsoc]

The above advice is solid. You can do better than BC, BU or Illinois. The problem with being a splitter is that you're unlikely to get great money from the top schools, with a few splitter friendly exceptions like WUSTL. Northwestern, Georgetown Michigan are the occasional exceptions to this in the T14, but you can't count on it. For that reason, the common wisdom on TLS is that splitters should pick their favorite of CCN/MVP and ed to make sure they don't end up on a million waitlists. The big question is where you want to end up.

FWIW, I had a 173 and a 3.3 and my cycle went like this:
Michigan: In, $$
Fordham: In, $
UCLA: In
Georgetown: In
NYU: In (ED)

I got into NYU before I heard back from UVA, Columbia, UPenn and Northwestern

[cgjeon]

Did you take feb. LSAT or something?

yes

[cgjeon]

The above advice is solid. You can do better than BC, BU or Illinois. The problem with being a splitter is that you're unlikely to get great money from the top schools, with a few splitter friendly exceptions like WUSTL. Northwestern, Georgetown Michigan are the occasional exceptions to this in the T14, but you can't count on it. For that reason, the common wisdom on TLS is that splitters should pick their favorite of CCN/MVP and ed to make sure they don't end up on a million waitlists. The big question is where you want to end up.

FWIW, I had a 173 and a 3.3 and my cycle went like this:
Michigan: In, $$
Fordham: In, $
UCLA: In
Georgetown: In
NYU: In (ED)

I got into NYU before I heard back from UVA, Columbia, UPenn and Northwestern

What do you think about these numbers 2014?

HDSOC, your acceptance to UCLA, Michigan with money and NYU in ED seems unreal.
Do you mind if I ask you when this was?
Those are too good to be true. Did you have any other factors that appeal law school admin?

[2014]

The above advice is solid. You can do better than BC, BU or Illinois. The problem with being a splitter is that you're unlikely to get great money from the top schools, with a few splitter friendly exceptions like WUSTL. Northwestern, Georgetown Michigan are the occasional exceptions to this in the T14, but you can't count on it. For that reason, the common wisdom on TLS is that splitters should pick their favorite of CCN/MVP and ed to make sure they don't end up on a million waitlists. The big question is where you want to end up.

FWIW, I had a 173 and a 3.3 and my cycle went like this:
Michigan: In, $$
Fordham: In, $
UCLA: In
Georgetown: In
NYU: In (ED)

I got into NYU before I heard back from UVA, Columbia, UPenn and Northwestern

What do you think about these numbers 2014?

HDSOC, your acceptance to UCLA, Michigan with money and NYU in ED seems unreal.
Do you mind if I ask you when this was?
Those are too good to be true. Did you have any other factors that appeal law school admin?

He/She had a really solid cycle for their GPA but none of those are out of left field. Basically every school that was a toss up landed in their favor due to one thing or another, maybe great softs, maybe luck. Getting into NYU would absolutely be the best school you could hope for and I'd probably consider an ED there, but it would be extremely expensive and a long ways from Cali. Getting in with money to Michigan is what surprised me the most about the cycle so that could be a source of some hope for you

[alpha kenny body]

What would an AA male with similar numbers be looking at in terms of T-14?

[rayiner]

What would an AA male with similar numbers be looking at in terms of T-14?

CCN.

[hdsoc]

The above advice is solid. You can do better than BC, BU or Illinois. The problem with being a splitter is that you're unlikely to get great money from the top schools, with a few splitter friendly exceptions like WUSTL. Northwestern, Georgetown Michigan are the occasional exceptions to this in the T14, but you can't count on it. For that reason, the common wisdom on TLS is that splitters should pick their favorite of CCN/MVP and ed to make sure they don't end up on a million waitlists. The big question is where you want to end up.

FWIW, I had a 173 and a 3.3 and my cycle went like this:
Michigan: In, $$
Fordham: In, $
UCLA: In
Georgetown: In
NYU: In (ED)

I got into NYU before I heard back from UVA, Columbia, UPenn and Northwestern

What do you think about these numbers 2014?

HDSOC, your acceptance to UCLA, Michigan with money and NYU in ED seems unreal.
Do you mind if I ask you when this was?
Those are too good to be true. Did you have any other factors that appeal law school admin?

I went to an undergrad known for grade deflation, and I had strong recs and a few years of interesting work experience which definitely tilted things in my favor, but it wasn't like curing cancer or anything like that. I also applied on the first possible day, which I suspect helped considerably.

For various reasons, my WE and recs were very NY-centric, so that may have helped more at NYU.

[emkay625]

Did you ED anywhere?

Here's how I did with a 3.23/173 and 4 years of WE:

NYU - never even got a response
Columbia - reject
Penn - WL
Michigan - WL
Virginia - WL
Duke - WL
Cornell - WL
Northwestern - accept, $60K
Georgetown - accept
Vanderbilt - accept, $65K
Texas - accept, $21K + in-state tuition
WUSTL accept, $84K
and in at about 10 lower ranked schools.

Sent in all of my apps the last week of October/first week of November.

Yes - Northwestern. But that had a full ride attached to it so I got held and then accepted 3 days later.

[rayiner]

If you're applying this cycle, I think you can get NYU, and definitely one of Michigan/Virginia/Penn/Northwestern/Cornell. Northwestern and Cornell will give you money. This cycle is going to be a lot less competitive than in years past. You might have to ride some wait lists as schools fail to adjust to declining apps and overshoot, but you'll get in.

[dailygrind]

I hear you could get a full ride to Golden Gate University School of Law with those numbers- I'd apply there, and Stetson. Possibly University of Tennessee-Knoxville also.

Banned for a day. Keep the trolling of on topic threads to a minimum, please.

[cgjeon]

Thank you all for great advices.

Any more inputs you guys can give me?

I am so glad there is a community like TLS to help the naive ones achieve their goals.

Thank you once again.

[calawdude]

p.s. I am actually thankful for those who flamed me with my hypothetical lsat score, I think they motivated me

Hahaha. funny. just cuz it's so random.

[covebysea]

Hello, all. I am very new to this forum. just found it last night. I am still debating myself to see if it is a good decision to apply a law school because i am not sure if I have a shot to those really good law schools.
here is my background:
undergraduate: dual degrees ME/CS in a premier school in Asia.
graduate: CS master degree in UC. dropped out of phd program. published papers for nasa projects, invented a system.
work experience: Software Engineer in big companies.

GPAs: 3.5 ( undergraduate) 3.8 ( graduate )
LSAT: 170+
Gender: Female

my biggest concern is my age. I am in my 30s. so I am not sure if it is wise to consider law schools. Any insights are really appreciated! I do need help to decide...

[jkpolk]

I'm not even mad! Grats on new score OP, lots of great options.