3.962/159 AA Female Forum

[lsdream]

1st post. Submitted a number of apps. Reverse splitter - Strong GPA, weak LSAT - 3.962 GPA, 159 LSAT, AA Female. Thoughts regarding T14? Additionally, D1 Athlete and member of Honors College.

[Transferthrowaway]

Retake, get a 165, go to Yale.

[lsdream]

I really do not want to retake, if accepted in a T14 or USC.

[tennisking88]

A 165 and a 159, both way below Yale's (and most t14's) 25%, are irrelevant. Apply to all T14 schools, I'm fairly sure you'll get into one or two.

[Transferthrowaway]

A 165 and a 159, both way below Yale's (and most t14's) 25%, are irrelevant. Apply to all T14 schools, I'm fairly sure you'll get into one or two.

Quartile games don't work with URMs. With a 3.96 and her other achievements, a 165 would get her Yale.

[sach1282]

A 165 and a 159, both way below Yale's (and most t14's) 25%, are irrelevant.

What? This is not true at all. By that logic the LSAT shouldn't matter at all to URMs at reach schools.

[bdubs]

Apply this cycle but don't go to USC or a lower T14. If you retake and get in the low to mid 160s it would probably solidify your chances of getting into HYS and having substantial scholarship offers from the mid-T14.

[sach1282]

I agree that you should retake, the difference between USC/lower T14 and HYS or $$ at CCN is pretty substantial.

[Jack Smirks]

I'm guessing you'll get into a few of the lower T-14s. I would still strongly consider a retake if you think you underperformed or have the capacity for any improvement at all.

[Rammstein]

Can you be talked out of going to law school?

[Opie]

Can you be talked out of going to law school?

Haha... Intimidated?

[Rammstein]

Can you be talked out of going to law school?

Haha... Intimidated?

Yes. Very intimidated.

[lsdream]

Thanks for all the feedback. At this point, I can just wait and hope, as a retake is not in the plans.

[Elston Gunn]

A 165 and a 159, both way below Yale's (and most t14's) 25%, are irrelevant. Apply to all T14 schools, I'm fairly sure you'll get into one or two.

Hahaha. You really think *Yale* is playing that big a numbers game? What do they do, get all the professors in a room and say, we absolutely insist that you treat all LSAT scores below our 25% as identical? A 169 is no different from a 145. And if you don't, will figure it out, and...oh, right, you have tenure.

Obviously law schools play numbers games, but some people take this to absurd levels.

[Dream Machine]

I really do not want to retake, if accepted in a T14 or USC.

I really hope you are a troll.

[Seneca]

I really do not want to retake, if accepted in a T14 or USC.

Exactly how badly do you not want to retake? Would you do it for $100k? Because that could be what you're looking at from numerous schools with much, much better placement than USC if you can hit 165. Wait until June, pick up about ten questions (get LG Bible and pick up 5+ in LG alone), score around 165, collect $100k at T14 of your choice. Don't waste your time, GPA, or money on anything less.

[cutecarmel]

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[89vision]

If you want to get into Yale, a retake is your only option.

Coming from another African American female, PLEASE do not play the race card. You want to go to Yale if you know that you are kick ass and better than everyone that got rejected. You don't want to be at a school where everyone thinks that you are the token black kid who only go accepted because she was black. If you want Yale, retake and bust your ass to score in the high 160s or 170s. Its not worth it if its not earned.

If you can't retake, apply to a lower ranked school where your are more qualified and shine there.

Awesome post.

[lsdream]

If you want to get into Yale, a retake is your only option.

Coming from another African American female, PLEASE do not play the race card. You want to go to Yale if you know that you are kick ass and better than everyone that got rejected. You don't want to be at a school where everyone thinks that you are the token black kid who only go accepted because she was black. If you want Yale, retake and bust your ass to score in the high 160s or 170s. Its not worth it if its not earned.

If you can't retake, apply to a lower ranked school where your are more qualified and shine there.

Awesome post.

I never expressed an interest in Yale. My post referenced t-14 schools or USC. Other posters suggested retaking and considering Yale.

[fathergoose]

The real question is if you think that if you busted your ass for 6 months you could get 165+

If you can't then go to USC and kick ass.

If you think you could, then retake and go to hys or ccn or at the least mvp with $$$ or a full ride at USC.

It's worth taking a year off for. I know opportunity cost comes into all of this but I think it would be pay of significantly to retake if you thought you were capable of 165+

[JamMasterJ]

A 165 and a 159, both way below Yale's (and most t14's) 25%, are irrelevant.

What? This is not true at all. By that logic the LSAT shouldn't matter at all to URMs at reach schools.

Dude, the logic you use to combat his logic is even more flawed. Just because the 25th percentile doesn't matter with regard to URMs doesn't mean that "the LSAT shouldn't matter at all."


OP, do what bdubs said. If you were able to score higher, you're looking at either A) substantial money or even a full ride to a school in the middle to upper T10, or B) acceptance to HYS, where obviously your financial aid would be more a product of your financial situation. Placement from USC doesn't hold a candle to your options with a T6 or T3 degree. Don't waste your strong credentials on a school that you can do better than (obviously your retake option is changed if the 159 was after months of study and was near the top of your PT range).

[IAFG]

Pretty sure this is a troll based on that well-known UCLA athlete mentioned in the "law wives" thread.

[johansantana21]

If you want to get into Yale, a retake is your only option.

Coming from another African American female, PLEASE do not play the race card. You want to go to Yale if you know that you are kick ass and better than everyone that got rejected. You don't want to be at a school where everyone thinks that you are the token black kid who only go accepted because she was black. If you want Yale, retake and bust your ass to score in the high 160s or 170s. Its not worth it if its not earned.

If you can't retake, apply to a lower ranked school where your are more qualified and shine there.

Tbh, almost everyone assumes that URMs are there in a major part because of race. It's undeniable.

That's not to say that people assume URMs are any less formidable.

But people do know you probably had a less qualified LSAT/GPA.

It's just fact.

[splitmuch]

A 165 and a 159, both way below Yale's (and most t14's) 25%, are irrelevant.

What? This is not true at all. By that logic the LSAT shouldn't matter at all to URMs at reach schools.

Dude, the logic you use to combat his logic is even more flawed. Just because the 25th percentile doesn't matter with regard to URMs doesn't mean that "the LSAT shouldn't matter at all."

It's not flawed, its just not (explicitly) stating a premise. If a "reach" is defined as being below 25th percentile, then saying the difference between two scores both below the 25th percentile is "irrelevant" is to say that the difference in LSAT doesn't matter at all for that "reach" subset.

[JustE]

1st post. Submitted a number of apps. Reverse splitter - Strong GPA, weak LSAT - 3.962 GPA, 159 LSAT, AA Female. Thoughts regarding T14? Additionally, D1 Athlete and member of Honors College.

Look, I know how you feel. I've been there, but after months of thinking about it, I decided to retake and reapply.

You are guaranteed a full ride at at least one T14 if you retake and reapply. Save yourself the debt. Retake, score 165+, go to Harvard.