3.4 GPA 180 LSAT Forum

[cmanheim]

Okay softs and work experience, recommendations should be great.
I'd be coming straight from undergrad at Emory University.

So far, I'm looking to apply to Penn, Michigan, Georgetown, Boston University, and Cornell, most likely ED at Penn or Michigan.

Chance me, please?

[Z3RO]

I have similar stats, but my work experience is just shitty call center work.

I got rejected from Mich, WL at Penn, in to Gtown, WL at BU, and defer (Early Action) to in at Cornell.

Why not UVA or Northwestern? Shooting for east coast I take it?

[ndirish2010]

NU for sure. UVA would be a lock with ED, possible without. CCN apps are worth it but not likely with that GPA.

[glewz]

Zero's case is the exception, not the rule (No offense Zero, just trying to give OP some good advice). I think this is him/her:
3.46/180 --> WL or reject @ nearly all T14, which indicates to me that there might have been a red flag in his/her application: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/zero256


But take a look at the others. This is an exhaustive list of people on LSN with a similar profile to yours. Of the following 9 people, three didn't get CCN (and for clear reasons that wouldn't apply to you). OP, you need to ED to CCN, not Penn/Michigan, unless of course you have a strong preference for either of the two schools.

3.43/180 --> Columbia: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jhey89
3.34/180 --> NYU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/seinfeldfan
3.3/180 --> UVa, (though incomplete profile): http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ishe
3.26/179 --> NYU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Siamsa414
3.4/177 --> NYU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Bruinfan
3.35/177 --> U-Illinois (but he only applied to ONE T14, which was UVa): http://lawschoolnumbers.com/JoeFish
3.3/177 --> UPenn ($60,000): http://lawschoolnumbers.com/dresch
3.3/177 --> WL @ CN: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Gladstone
3.28/177 --> NYU: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cressida

[eli88]

Target CCN, not MVP. If I were you, I'd ED to Columbia and apply to Chicago & NYU. You're almost guaranteed in at one of them. Good luck!

[cmanheim]

Wow, thanks guys! I had originally intended on applying to Columbia ED, but was discouraged when I looked at LSN. Most of the people with stats similar to mine who got in were either URM or from an Ivy, and I fit neither of those. Also, the general consensus on my chances to Columbia has been rather dismal. I figured Penn and Michigan were more likely and realistic.

[cmanheim]

I have similar stats, but my work experience is just shitty call center work.

I got rejected from Mich, WL at Penn, in to Gtown, WL at BU, and defer (Early Action) to in at Cornell.

Why not UVA or Northwestern? Shooting for east coast I take it?

Yeah, been in the south all my life, so UVA hits a little too close to home. I'm interested in NYC biglaw, so I'm trying to keep it on the east coast.

[glewz]

Wow, thanks guys! I had originally intended on applying to Columbia ED, but was discouraged when I looked at LSN. Most of the people with stats similar to mine who got in were either URM or from an Ivy, and I fit neither of those. Also, the general consensus on my chances to Columbia has been rather dismal. I figured Penn and Michigan were more likely and realistic.

Put together a strong application to MVP RD and hope for scholarships. You have plenty of time to write their supplementals - essay topics haven't changed very much from year to year.

Edit: Also, NYU seems a bit more lenient towards the lower GPAs, so you might consider EDing there.

[Corwin]

If you have patience I think you should not do ED and let your application ride at CCN and MVP. With CCN you're looking at WL -> A and decent chance at A /w $ at one of MVP. ED to CCN would give you a much better chance of an outright A, but then you'll have no non-sticker options via MVP.

Good luck and congrats on doing so well on the LSAT.

[cmanheim]

Thanks again for the feedback. Now, this is slightly more irrelevant, but I was wondering how the prestige of the schools are in comparison to one another. I know CCN is in a league of its own, but what about MVP in relation to one another and the other T14?

[Corwin]

Thanks again for the feedback. Now, this is slightly more irrelevant, but I was wondering how the prestige of the schools are in comparison to one another. I know CCN is in a league of its own, but what about MVP in relation to one another and the other T14?

The reason why people use groups like HYS, CCN, and MVP is because the schools grouped together are generally considered to be peer schools. Roughly: Y = H = S > C = C = N > M = V = P > other T14 (in terms of "prestige").

[glewz]

Thanks again for the feedback. Now, this is slightly more irrelevant, but I was wondering how the prestige of the schools are in comparison to one another. I know CCN is in a league of its own, but what about MVP in relation to one another and the other T14?

The reason why people use groups like HYS, CCN, and MVP is because the schools grouped together are generally considered to be peer schools. Roughly: Y = H = S > C = C = N > M = V = P > other T14 (in terms of "prestige").

The gap between CCN and others is dramatically smaller than between HYS & CCN. And the difference between MVP and Duke/Northwestern/Cornell is even more minimal.