167 3.7 Forum

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:55 pm

Okay well i just got my june lsat score back, and got a 167. it was my third time taking it after 158, 158, and now the 167, can some people narrow where i should be focusing, my number one would be Fordham but some help is needed. I have good softs, interning at the district attorneys office, some volunteer work and work experience, nothing crazy. Thank you

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:56 am

bumpp

kaiser · Post by **kaiser** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:00 am

Your matches would be schools like BU, GW, Fordham, Vandy, etc. Pretty much any 15-30 school is right in the range you are looking for. Your reaches would be the lower T14 schools

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:11 am

do you think i have a shot at money for 15-30

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:02 am

can anyone let me know what my chances at GULC or some of the other 8-14 schools i have a good shot at, as well as any of them with money?
what would be the best schools i can get some money at, i pay for my education myself so its a huge part of my decision

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:13 pm

anyone

kaiser · Post by **kaiser** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:15 pm

lawschool12345 wrote:can anyone let me know what my chances at GULC or some of the other 8-14 schools i have a good shot at, as well as any of them with money?
what would be the best schools i can get some money at, i pay for my education myself so its a huge part of my decision

Its unlikely that you will get into any of the 8-14 schools. They would all be reaches, with Cornell or Texas as the most likely, though far from certain. You wouldn't have a "good shot" at any. That is why they are reaches, and most certainly not with money. Like I said, your target range is the 15-30 schools. You will get some money from those schools. And once you go down beyond 30, the scholarships will only get larger, if that is something that is very important to your decision calculus.

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:16 pm

those numbers are probably not enough for Vandy. 19 and down look solid.

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:17 pm

would you recommend Fordham over BU then?

Law Sauce · Post by **Law Sauce** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:56 pm

You are in a great spot for t15-30 like people have said. The problem is that you dont help either median for higher ranked schools. But for lower ranked schools you may help both medians. This is a catch 22 in a way. You are the type of candidate that I doubt will reach and get any surprising acceptances, like t14, short of ED but that is still unlikely. However, you could be in the running for really big scholarships from t20-t30 schools such as Wustl, Illinois (just to name some schools that give biggish scholarships, USC, UCLA, BU, BC, ND, Fordham to a lesser extent). You will likely get bigger scholarships at these schools than splitters who got into higher ranked schools. For you Vandy is probably hit or miss, but decent shot. My guess is that you will end up in the T30 with a large scholarship.

Non URM I am assuming.

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:08 pm

Non URM, thanks i really appreciate it, if I sent Cornell EA, would that make my chances better? or would it still be the same.

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:13 pm

Just kind of put this together any help woiuld be amazing but i am looking to apply to

Fordham
GW
BU
BC
USC
UCLA
Cornell
W and Lee
William and Mary
UIUC
Notre Dame
GULC
UC Davis

Law Sauce · Post by **Law Sauce** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:14 pm

lawschool12345 wrote:Non URM, thanks i really appreciate it, if I sent Cornell EA, would that make my chances better? or would it still be the same.

Worth a try but about the same. Some have even said it hurt in a weak year because they may reject you before they realize it is a weak year. Either way, it probably is a nonfactor.

Law Sauce · Post by **Law Sauce** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:18 pm

lawschool12345 wrote:Just kind of put this together any help would be amazing but i am looking to apply to

Fordham
GW
BU
BC
USC
UCLA
Cornell
W and Lee
William and Mary
UIUC
Notre Dame
GULC
UC Davis

Yea go for it, you will start getting fee waivers soon, wait for some of those and use them all in the range that you want (t30.) You should get fee waivers from many of these. Also, definitely try Vandy, it very well could be your best option at the end. Also Wustl, they may give scholarship and they at least as good as UIUC. Maybe another reach or two, Duke UVA maybe. Those are long shots though. I think your list + Vandy and Wustl is pretty solid depend on regional preferences of course. Dont go to wustl if you never would live in the midwest for instance.

ndirish2010 · Post by **ndirish2010** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:19 pm

lawschool12345 wrote:Just kind of put this together any help woiuld be amazing but i am looking to apply to

Fordham- In, small $
GW- In
BU- WL/In
BC- WL/In
USC- no idea
UCLA- no idea
Cornell- Reserve
W and Lee- $$$$
William and Mary- $$$
UIUC- $$$
Notre Dame - $$
GULC- WL
UC Davis- no idea

Law Sauce · Post by **Law Sauce** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:24 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:
lawschool12345 wrote:Just kind of put this together any help woiuld be amazing but i am looking to apply to

Fordham- In, small $ agreed
GW- In agreed
BU- WL/In In with some money
BC- WL/In In with some money
USC- no idea In with no money
UCLA- no idea In with no money
Cornell- Reserve agreed
W and Lee- $$$$ In with $$ money
William and Mary- $$$ In with $ money
UIUC- $$$ agreed
Notre Dame - $$ you would know better
GULC- WL agreed
UC Davis- no idea also no idea, probably in with no money

Vandy - In off WL with no or little money attending
Wustl - In with $$

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:38 pm

Thanks for all of your adivce everyone i really appreciate it, anyone else please help!

azure55 · Post by **azure55** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:13 pm

lawschool12345 wrote:can anyone let me know what my chances at GULC or some of the other 8-14 schools i have a good shot at, as well as any of them with money?
what would be the best schools i can get some money at, i pay for my education myself so its a huge part of my decision

If there’s a lower T14 that you really, really want, I would recommend reaching out to the school and focusing on crafting a great essay specific to that school. Call up a prof at the school and ask for advice.

Softs won’t get you into a school, but they can make a difference with borderline numbers like yours. You’ve got to make sure you catch their attention (in a good way). Just understand you’re not likely to get merit $.

I can’t comment on all the schools because I specifically wanted to go to GULC or NU and didn’t apply anywhere else, but it worked for me. I got into both with 167/3.8 non-URM, though, not to brag I had some high-end softs.

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:26 pm

did you get merit money from either?

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:27 pm

bumpin

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:29 am

Upon contacting cornell and virginia I was offered fee waivers, mean anything?

Law Sauce · Post by **Law Sauce** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:32 am

lawschool12345 wrote:Upon contacting cornell and virginia I was offered fee waivers, mean anything?

Means your application is free. congrats. Doesn't effect admissions chances if that's what you are asking.

Not actually free, just only $12 lsac fee, no school fee.

lawschool12345 · Post by **lawschool12345** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:37 pm

because i had applied to some schools with my previous scores i have been offered as of now, 30 k from Cardozo, 42 from brooklyn and 31 with washington and lee, and fordham is sending me a package now, would i be better off not taking a year off and picking one of those or reapplying

RedItalus10 · Post by **RedItalus10** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:50 pm

I was in a similar situation: 3.7/159/166. For what it's worth, here is my cycle: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/GTownHopeful/jd

I ended up getting in off of the WL at USC and am extremely grateful for that. I am from LA and my goal was always to work in LA upon graduation from law school. Before USC came through I was all set to go to South Bend Indiana for ND.

Some other info: non-URM, UCLA Undergrad, Political Science major, took 1 year off.

Hope this helps!

buckilaw · Post by **buckilaw** » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:25 pm

Aim for GW, BU, BC, USC and any T1's in markets that you would really like to work in or have ties to. Look at Cornell, Texas, and Vandy as reaches. Throw an app to Boalt if you have an interesting story that fits well in 4 pages. Pick your favorite out of GULC, Mich, or Penn to throw an ED to; GULC would likely be the only realistic shot since you are above their GPA median.

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