3.61/169 From Top Public School Forum

[bhurd]

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[akili]

Where do you want to work? What do you want to do? What schools do you want?

[Muenchen]

3.61/169 from University of Michigan-Ann Arbor. President of pre-law fraternity and had some internships. I'm applying in June, thus I'll have one year of W.E. when I begin in the fall.

Thanks

Lol. Applications don't open up until mid-August at the very earliest. For a pre-law president, you should read up more on the application cycle dynamics.

They don't really care about your school or your extracurriculars; they're a tie-breaking differentiator at best.
I would suggest blanketing the T20 up to some of the lower T14, probably topping out at NU. Good luck.

[dpk711]

Unless it's HYP, school doesn't matter. The only T14 you have a decent shot at is Cornell. I can see Michigan happening though with an ED and a nice "why Michigan" statement.

[ahduth]

Unless it's HYP, school doesn't matter.

I see this HYP thing repeated ad nauseum on these boards. Please present evidence that bears this out, or do not present it as advice. No one has shown anything conclusive to me that your school matters one whit in terms of how schools view your GPA.

OP, I'd bet you'll get into a lower T14 - GULC, Cornell. If you're really that ambitious, I'll give you the ad nauseum response to posts like this - retake. A higher LSAT score will open up significantly more options to you.

edit: No valid excuse.

[subtle]

Unless it's HYP, school doesn't matter.

I see this HYP thing repeated ad nauseum on these boards. Please present evidence that bears this out, or do not present it as advice. No one has shown anything conclusive to me that your school matters one whit in terms of how schools view your GPA.

OP, I'd bet you'll get into a lower T14 - GULC, Cornell. If you're really that ambitious, I'll give you the ad nauseum response to posts like this - retake. A higher LSAT score will open up significantly more options to you.

edit: No valid excuse.

I know that school can most definitely affect how your GPA is seen. I know that this isn't exactly the same thing that you're talking about, but I share this to say that UG institution, coupled with your LSAT, can matter.

My friend was held at a school with a 3.8 and a 144. She went to a small, liberal arts school that most people, including the adcomms at this school, have never heard of. Because her LSAT is so low, they didn't know how to read her GPA. They didn't know if her school had a rigorous course of study and her 3.8 meant that she's intelligent and capable and just a shitty test taker or if the 144 were indicative of her capabilities and that she went to a school that was so easy that she could get a 3.8.

This is not to say that your UG institution can give you a quantifiable boost (it might, but I don't know that for sure), but it certainly helps adcomms to understand what your numbers mean.

[sundance95]

You are going to attribute your friend's UG as the cause of her rejections when she had a 144 LSAT?

[dr123]

There's absolutely no way to know if you're UG has any effect on admissions.

[lolol10]

in numerous meetings with counselors they have told me that your UG institution and major hold some weight. while its not anything significant it still amounts to the extra push you need in a tie break. as a NU admissions counselor told me in so many words "we recognize the purchase of a candidate with a 3.6 from a top UG institution as being more capable and thus a better investment for the law school than say someone with a relatively similar GPA from say Chico State" UM is a great state school and will carry some weight for you--pending on your major. i went to a top 20 ug with a liberal arts major in what the school is semi-known for and it has opened doors to admission and and held my spot on WLs. best of luck with your applications. i recommend applying as early as possible. that means all your recs. and personal essays done before august. this will also give you a leg up in vying for spots at your "reach" schools. as far as your score go, if youre not happy or think you can do better a few points on the lsat goes a long long way. consider retaking.

[subtle]

You are going to attribute your friend's UG as the cause of her rejections when she had a 144 LSAT?

My mom is friends with the dean of admissions. This is what he told my mom. He said no one knew how to read her GPA coupled with the 144, but that they were going to try to admit her. She was ultimately admitted.

So yes, I'm going to believe what the dean told my mother in a lunch that they had to discuss her.

[michigan_man]

Keep your michigan residency and you'll get in at michigan. they love wolverines and try to get 20% of the class from the state.

[mblueyahoo!]

Keep your michigan residency and you'll get in at michigan. they love wolverines and try to get 20% of the class from the state.

I'm sure being a wolverine undergrad is a boost, but how much weight they'll give to B. Hurd is uncertain, especially when you're walking in with a 3.61. But I agree: the only T10 you have a shot at is Michigan.

Retake, pray for Michigan or go for lower T14. Your school only helps differentiate you from the pack of students whose LSAT and GPA combination are enough to satisfy the numbers game; it does not make up for deficiencies in either of those categories.

[Curry]

Doesn't michigan have a program that lets in a few students from Michigan undergrad? I don't know what the process is but it might be worth looking into.

[mblueyahoo!]

Doesn't michigan have a program that lets in a few students from Michigan undergrad? I don't know what the process is but it might be worth looking into.

They do--it's basically a way of getting around having to take the LSAT. My guess is that you'd need a high GPA to really have a shot.

Unfortunately for B. Hurd. No dice.

[subtle]

Doesn't michigan have a program that lets in a few students from Michigan undergrad? I don't know what the process is but it might be worth looking into.

You need to have a 3.8 and you can't take the LSAT. OP doesn't qualify.

[albanach]

3.61/169 from University of Michigan-Ann Arbor. President of pre-law fraternity and had some internships. I'm applying in June, thus I'll have one year of W.E. when I begin in the fall.

Thanks

Retake one more time. Score 170+. Profit.

Seriously, your life will be easier with a one or two point increase on that LSAT. Register for October and hit the books.

[sundance95]

You are going to attribute your friend's UG as the cause of her rejections when she had a 144 LSAT?

My mom is friends with the dean of admissions. This is what he told my mom. He said no one knew how to read her GPA coupled with the 144, but that they were going to try to admit her. She was ultimately admitted.

So yes, I'm going to believe what the dean told my mother in a lunch that they had to discuss her.

You'd think you might have mentioned that in your prior post, rather then just making it up when your conclusion was questioned.

[subtle]

You are going to attribute your friend's UG as the cause of her rejections when she had a 144 LSAT?

My mom is friends with the dean of admissions. This is what he told my mom. He said no one knew how to read her GPA coupled with the 144, but that they were going to try to admit her. She was ultimately admitted.

So yes, I'm going to believe what the dean told my mother in a lunch that they had to discuss her.

You'd think you might have mentioned that in your prior post, rather then just making it up when your conclusion was questioned.

Sorry I forgot to mention it but I don't need to prove it to you. I didn't just make it up. No need to be such a cunt.

[law_monkey]

You are going to attribute your friend's UG as the cause of her rejections when she had a 144 LSAT?

My mom is friends with the dean of admissions. This is what he told my mom. He said no one knew how to read her GPA coupled with the 144, but that they were going to try to admit her. She was ultimately admitted.

So yes, I'm going to believe what the dean told my mother in a lunch that they had to discuss her.

You'd think you might have mentioned that in your prior post, rather then just making it up when your conclusion was questioned.

Meh. I think the point of her story was more the fact that her friend's UG did affect her admissions, not that she was able to get inside information through her mom's friendship with the dean. And since we don't know what school this is I don't think we can conclusively say this is unrealistic.

So the lesson for OP - looks like this is another one of those situations where it depends. My there are a lot of these in law school admissions.

[Snape]

HYP means absolutely nothing in admissions! What matters is how your GPA and LSAT help their numbers game.

[Flips88]

Best best: WUSTL with $$, Vandy, UT, GULC, Cornell, Northwestern, then wait listed from there on down

[johnnyutah]

My mom is friends with the dean of admissions.

Why does this sentence make me laugh so much? I can't quite put my finger on it.

[Flips88]

My mom is friends with the dean of admissions.

Why does this sentence make me laugh so much? I can't quite put my finger on it.

And that her mom had a lunch with the dean for the sole point of discussing a very shitty applicant

[dpk711]

Best best: WUSTL with $$, Vandy, UT, GULC, Cornell, Northwestern, then wait listed from there on down

You are being too optimistic. GULC and Northwestern WL is also much more likely.

[paulinaporizkova]

HYP means absolutely nothing in admissions! What matters is how your GPA and LSAT help their numbers game.

false, bro, false