3.7/158 History Major Forum

[IamAskier]

3.7 GPA 158 History Major from U of Utah (really LOATH the LSAT but would consider retaking)

Regional aspirations, comfortable with tier 2 school possiblity.
Applied:
U of Utah
U of Oregon
L&C
Seattle U
Denver U
Boulder
Gonzaga
Michigan St
Penn St
Loyola LA
UNLV
Notre Dame (No chance, I know, but mircales happen)

[ATR]

Retake. You can get some good scholarship money at T2s if you raise your LSAT 5 points or so.

[IamAskier]

Definitely, retaking is a possibility if I don't get in where I want. Scholarship money aside though, I'm just more curious about whether or not with my current numbers I'll get accepted.

[JazzOne]

Retake.

[Curry]

Retake.

[FuManChusco]

Retake.

[irenic]

I'll say in at each except ND and Boulder

[irenic]

Retake. You can get some good scholarship money at T2s if you raise your LSAT 5 points or so.

He would likely get into several T1s with a 3.7/163. Why bother w/ the T2s at that point?

[whymeohgodno]

Retake. You can get some good scholarship money at T2s if you raise your LSAT 5 points or so.

He would likely get into several T1s with a 3.7/163. Why bother w/ the T2s at that point?

To be fair, 99% of TLS would be telling him to retake even with a 163.

[im_blue]

Retake. You can get some good scholarship money at T2s if you raise your LSAT 5 points or so.

He would likely get into several T1s with a 3.7/163. Why bother w/ the T2s at that point?

To be fair, 99% of TLS would be telling him to retake even with a 163 167 to aim for T14.

[irenic]

Retake. You can get some good scholarship money at T2s if you raise your LSAT 5 points or so.

He would likely get into several T1s with a 3.7/163. Why bother w/ the T2s at that point?

To be fair, 99% of TLS would be telling him to retake even with a 163.

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

[whymeohgodno]

Retake. You can get some good scholarship money at T2s if you raise your LSAT 5 points or so.

He would likely get into several T1s with a 3.7/163. Why bother w/ the T2s at that point?

To be fair, 99% of TLS would be telling him to retake even with a 163 167 to aim for T14.

Makes me want to retake the LSAT more and more.

[irenic]

Go for it if you're confident you can get that kind of score increase.

[whymeohgodno]

Go for it if you're confident you can get that kind of score increase.

I will take a year off if this cycle doesn't go as I want it to ~

[irenic]

Go for it if you're confident you can get that kind of score increase.

I will take a year off if this cycle doesn't go as I want it to ~

Just out of curiosity, w/o $$$, which offers do you think you'd accept?

[IamAskier]

Well, Notre Dame no question... but I've come to terms with the reality that I stand no chance.

I would be perfectly happy with Utah, then probably Boulder or L&C. I really want to stay in Utah due to the cheap tuition and location (though being a 1L that probably wont matter).

[James Bond]

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

That's not why people say "retake" and that's not why people say "170+ or bust" or that sort of thing. The perception isn't that everyone can get a 165 or a 170, but that if you can't, you really need to reexamine your career plans. A law degree is ridiculously expensive to obtain, law itself is a merciless career path, and the over-saturation in the job market is a very real problem that people in the T14 are facing (including T14 people on this site, sadly). How do you think someone will fare in a TTT when T14 people can't even get jobs?

The best thing TLS ever did for me was help convince me not to go to law school. It's not rude. It's not overly pessimistic. It's a reality check that breaks down this idea of everyone being a "special snowflake." They'll take your money. They'll print you a degree. Does that mean you're going to find a job or be successful or not drown in debt? Hell no.

[IamAskier]

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

That's not why people say "retake" and that's not why people say "170+ or bust" or that sort of thing. The perception isn't that everyone can get a 165 or a 170, but that if you can't, you really need to reexamine your career plans. A law degree is ridiculously expensive to obtain, law itself is a merciless career path, and the over-saturation in the job market is a very real problem that people in the T14 are facing (including T14 people on this site, sadly). How do you think someone will fare in a TTT when T14 people can't even get jobs?

The best thing TLS ever did for me was help convince me not to go to law school. It's not rude. It's not overly pessimistic. It's a reality check that breaks down this idea of everyone being a "special snowflake." They'll take your money. They'll print you a degree. Does that mean you're going to find a job or be successful or not drown in debt? Hell no.

Point well taken, though a little depressing. What else is a History major to do though? I like my chances better with JD rather than a history masters/phd.

[James Bond]

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

That's not why people say "retake" and that's not why people say "170+ or bust" or that sort of thing. The perception isn't that everyone can get a 165 or a 170, but that if you can't, you really need to reexamine your career plans. A law degree is ridiculously expensive to obtain, law itself is a merciless career path, and the over-saturation in the job market is a very real problem that people in the T14 are facing (including T14 people on this site, sadly). How do you think someone will fare in a TTT when T14 people can't even get jobs?

The best thing TLS ever did for me was help convince me not to go to law school. It's not rude. It's not overly pessimistic. It's a reality check that breaks down this idea of everyone being a "special snowflake." They'll take your money. They'll print you a degree. Does that mean you're going to find a job or be successful or not drown in debt? Hell no.

Point well taken, though a little depressing. What else is a History major to do though? I like my chances better with JD rather than a history masters/phd.

Well I mean you CAN retake, if you feel you can study harder or more effectively and do better.

If not, look into other directions. Don't let your bachelors degree hold you back. What are you good at? What are your interests?

[cortnf]

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

That's not why people say "retake" and that's not why people say "170+ or bust" or that sort of thing. The perception isn't that everyone can get a 165 or a 170, but that if you can't, you really need to reexamine your career plans. A law degree is ridiculously expensive to obtain, law itself is a merciless career path, and the over-saturation in the job market is a very real problem that people in the T14 are facing (including T14 people on this site, sadly). How do you think someone will fare in a TTT when T14 people can't even get jobs?

The best thing TLS ever did for me was help convince me not to go to law school. It's not rude. It's not overly pessimistic. It's a reality check that breaks down this idea of everyone being a "special snowflake." They'll take your money. They'll print you a degree. Does that mean you're going to find a job or be successful or not drown in debt? Hell no.

Point well taken, though a little depressing. What else is a History major to do though? I like my chances better with JD rather than a history masters/phd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrepreneurship

[im_blue]

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

That's not why people say "retake" and that's not why people say "170+ or bust" or that sort of thing. The perception isn't that everyone can get a 165 or a 170, but that if you can't, you really need to reexamine your career plans. A law degree is ridiculously expensive to obtain, law itself is a merciless career path, and the over-saturation in the job market is a very real problem that people in the T14 are facing (including T14 people on this site, sadly). How do you think someone will fare in a TTT when T14 people can't even get jobs?

The best thing TLS ever did for me was help convince me not to go to law school. It's not rude. It's not overly pessimistic. It's a reality check that breaks down this idea of everyone being a "special snowflake." They'll take your money. They'll print you a degree. Does that mean you're going to find a job or be successful or not drown in debt? Hell no.

Point well taken, though a little depressing. What else is a History major to do though? I like my chances better with JD rather than a history masters/phd.

http://www.historians.org/pubs/free/careers/index.htm

[IamAskier]

Agreed, which is why I find it frustrating to see people taking advice from some at TLS who assume everybody and their dog can get a 170.

That's not why people say "retake" and that's not why people say "170+ or bust" or that sort of thing. The perception isn't that everyone can get a 165 or a 170, but that if you can't, you really need to reexamine your career plans. A law degree is ridiculously expensive to obtain, law itself is a merciless career path, and the over-saturation in the job market is a very real problem that people in the T14 are facing (including T14 people on this site, sadly). How do you think someone will fare in a TTT when T14 people can't even get jobs?

The best thing TLS ever did for me was help convince me not to go to law school. It's not rude. It's not overly pessimistic. It's a reality check that breaks down this idea of everyone being a "special snowflake." They'll take your money. They'll print you a degree. Does that mean you're going to find a job or be successful or not drown in debt? Hell no.

Point well taken, though a little depressing. What else is a History major to do though? I like my chances better with JD rather than a history masters/phd.

Well I mean you CAN retake, if you feel you can study harder or more effectively and do better.

If not, look into other directions. Don't let your bachelors degree hold you back. What are you good at? What are your interests?

If law school doesn't work out this cycle I'll probably take the year and reevaluate. My goal, with or without a JD, is hopefully a government or public interest job, preferably in the environmental/natural resource spheres. The intense schedule and work load of the private sector is by no means a deal-breaker, and given the potentially high grade salary I think I might eventually go that route.

I'm not opposed to retaking, I just hate standardized testing. Right now I'm just hoping that 158 doesn't keep me out of ALL my top choices.

[James Bond]

Also, I believe Jack Ryan was a history major, and look what all he accomplished! Badass agent, head of the CIA, President of the United States, etc.

[IamAskier]

True, I could always join the Corp and become an international man of intrigue

[whymeohgodno]

Go for it if you're confident you can get that kind of score increase.

I will take a year off if this cycle doesn't go as I want it to ~

Just out of curiosity, w/o $$$, which offers do you think you'd accept?

Cornell as dream school UCLA/Vandy/UT as targets. I'll 100% retake if I don't get into any of these. I'll probably retake if I don't get into Cornell.