columbia, nyu ED Forum

[dytelb]

Hello,
I'm in the midst of deciding whether to apply to Columbia/NYU ED or not (only a few days left) and need some major help. I have a 3.9 gpa and a 170 lsat- bubble for those schools. I have some pretty good softs-several fellowships and articles published, all of which (fellowships and articles)were centered on intl human rights -which is what I want to do with my law degree. My confusion is over whether I should give myself a little extra push and apply ED to columbia, at which my numbers are borderline and I'd be very happy to be, or if it is at all worth it to hold out for RD with the hopes of getting into one of HYS. What would you guys do??Thanks so much.

[The Gentleman]

or if it is at all worth it to hold out for RD with the hopes of getting into one of HYS.

Unless you went to HYP, have some amazing soft you aren't telling us about, or are a URM, then your chances at HY___S are pretty slim. I wouldn't let such a small chance dictate the rest of my app strategy.

As for ED'ing to Columbia/NYU that's your call. $200k of debt is a chunk of change though.

[justadude55]

170 isn't good enough for HYS... ED to NYU, and I think you're locked.

[dytelb]

do you think it would be smarter to apply to nyu than columbia? i prefer columbia, but if I don't have a shot, wouldn't want to screw up my chances with nyu.

[kazu]

do you think it would be smarter to apply to nyu than columbia? i prefer columbia, but if I don't have a shot, wouldn't want to screw up my chances with nyu.

Here's LSN for Columbia applicants last cycle with similar #s to yours(LSAT 169~171, GPA 3.85~3.95):
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... ,8&type=jd

No one was straight-out rejected, so I think if you apply ED you have a more than decent shot.

[im_blue]

Your only chance at HYS is S, and that's with great softs. If you go to a top UG, then I would say RD to Columbia and hold out for Stanford. Otherwise, it's a harder decision.

[$1.99]

definitely go with NYU ED. your LSAT is too low for a good shot at Columbia and your shots at HYS are non existent unless you come from HYP.

[Patriot1208]

170 isn't good enough for HYS... ED to NYU, and I think you're locked.

Stanford has a 170 median. But, OP, for stanford you have fine stats, but you'll need to have some great softs/work experience and probably have gone to a top ivy type institution.

[tipler4213]

What about me: 3.88, 170 (165, 162)??
I had kind of ruled out Columbia and was planning on doing ED to NYU to try and assure I got t-6 (don't want Chicago). However, with NYU's tough stance on multiple LSATs, would my chances be better at Columbia?

[NYC_7911]

I'll get in on this, too, because I can't decide and it's coming down to the wire. 3.5x/177. I love both schools and would be thrilled to go to either one. Can't decide whether to ED either or RD both. Thoughts?

OP, to put in my 2 cents, I think you should ED to Columbia or NYU. Your chances at HYS with a 170 are too low to risk it.

[nyckid]

I'm also making this decision. I'm 100% that I will ED to one of them, had always assumed Columbia, but now I'm getting concerned that I might not get into Columbia ED and then might not get into NYU RD either. I have a 3.78 LSAC GPA (3.88 degree granting) at a non-HYP Ivy and a 171 in my only take, what do you guys think I should do?

Thanks so much!

[NYC_7911]

I'm also making this decision. I'm 100% that I will ED to one of them, had always assumed Columbia, but now I'm getting concerned that I might not get into Columbia ED and then might not get into NYU RD either. I have a 3.78 LSAC GPA (3.88 degree granting) and a 171 in my only take, what do you guys think I should do?

Thanks so much!

It's really comforting to see that I'm not the only person in this boat 5 days before deadline. Good luck!

[jfb]

OP, I have same stats as you, 3.9 & 170 from Oct. 2010. However, I have a Feb. 09 161 as well. NYU's policy as stated is to average, which would give me almost no shot there. Is that how they operate in practice, which would basically make it pointless to apply there even ed.

Further, is it really worth it to give up the possibility of $ at other good schools to go to NYU at sticker, considering the kind of debt that an NYU degree would entail (NYC cost of living, etc.)?

[dytelb]

it's comforting to know that others are with me:) I'm leaning towards NYU ED, but am obviously concerned about humongo debt probs. I'm thinking that I wouldn't get aid anyways with my numbers though? I'm pretty set on trying to go somewhere in the top ten. Would that be an accurate assessment?

[czelede]

I feel like debt is a very personal decision and there is no one on an internet forum who can decisively say yes or no to taking NYU at sticker - although consensus seems to be that sticker outside of T14 = foolish, but that's irrelevant in this scenario anyhow. But there are plenty of people who take NYU at sticker and plenty who opt for lower schools with $. I feel like that's a decision you have to come to terms with on your own. If you're aiming for NYC biglaw, NYU is certainly a very good place to be, sticker or otherwise.

Also, I think for your range of numbers (both above posters), you could swing some $$ from lower T10s or T14s without a problem. Definitely something to consider if the debt really scares you.

[tipler4213]

What about me: 3.88, 170 (165, 162)??
I had kind of ruled out Columbia and was planning on doing ED to NYU to try and assure I got t-6 (don't want Chicago). However, with NYU's tough stance on multiple LSATs, would my chances be better at Columbia?

Just quoting myself to try and get a response out of someone...

[$1.99]

man some of you guys need to grow up. do you always trust someone to tell you the flat out truth? nyu does state that it averages, so does harvard, but what they state is not always the truth. there are many examples on law school numbers and on this forum that show that they do not average when they do not want to. to my above poster, i would say you should ED to nyu because those are NYU ED numbers.

[JG Hall]

high gpa, lower lsat should ED to NYU

the 3.5/177 or whatever person should ED CLS

[im_blue]

What about me: 3.88, 170 (165, 162)??
I had kind of ruled out Columbia and was planning on doing ED to NYU to try and assure I got t-6 (don't want Chicago). However, with NYU's tough stance on multiple LSATs, would my chances be better at Columbia?

I think you're about 40% at Columbia and 50% at NYU. Tough decision, but unless you have impressive softs, I would go with NYU ED and hope they take the highest score.

I'll get in on this, too, because I can't decide and it's coming down to the wire. 3.5x/177. I love both schools and would be thrilled to go to either one. Can't decide whether to ED either or RD both. Thoughts?

For RD, you're about 50/50 for Columbia and almost a lock for NYU, so I would ED to Columbia.

I'm also making this decision. I'm 100% that I will ED to one of them, had always assumed Columbia, but now I'm getting concerned that I might not get into Columbia ED and then might not get into NYU RD either. I have a 3.78 LSAC GPA (3.88 degree granting) at a non-HYP Ivy and a 171 in my only take, what do you guys think I should do?

With a 3.78/171 Ivy, I'd say 50% at Columbia and 70% at NYU. ED to Columbia if you're willing to chance missing out of NYU and going to Chicago instead (which isn't a lock either, but they love Ivies). Otherwise, the safe choice is ED to NYU.

[vitapup]

I know this is really pushing the deadline, but I'm seriously considering EDing to either NYU or Colombia - both of which I'm considering reach schools. My GPA/LSAT is 3.67/168. Do I have a shot at either?

[im_blue]

I know this is really pushing the deadline, but I'm seriously considering EDing to either NYU or Colombia - both of which I'm considering reach schools. My GPA/LSAT is 3.67/168. Do I have a shot at either?

No, without a retake I'm afraid Cornell is your only shot at the T14.

[mst]

Can I just say this: If you are EDing please don't wait until the 15th to mail out stuff. Get it out TODAY. You have to literally mail the form in. And if they don't receive your stuff from LSAC in time your screwed.