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kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:42 pm

So, I guess no answer = no chance.

Deuce · Post by **Deuce** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:46 pm

kruiz88 wrote:GPA: 3.9 (3.77 degree)
LSAT: 163
Average LOR
Work part time 30 hrs week, all of undergrad
No clubs/ associations ( well Phi Theta Kappa, and previous schools honor society)
Deans list, 6 semesters
Good, not exceptional, regional school

Where should I apply, looking to stay in the NY tri-state area. Thanks

That LSAT is low for a lot of New York, even Fordham where you have the best chance. You're going to get a lot of retake advice. That is a great GPA, the higher 160's would secure you at Cornell and even a little higher would have you looking at CCN.

plenipotentiary · Post by **plenipotentiary** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:59 pm

Retake.

dshirs32 · Post by **dshirs32** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:01 pm

Not to sound redundant, but I think retake is by far your best option. A score in the upper 160s will open numerous doors which your current score, though fine, precludes the possibility of admission.

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:46 am

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:54 am

i think you might be able to get into fordham with your gpa. The problem for you is that you want to stay in the tri area. Im willing to bet if you apply from USc/UCLA/Vandy/Texas down you will get a school in the wustl/fordham/bc/bu/emory/nd range.... it just might not be the school that you want. Outside chance at usc/ucla/vandy/tejas. Still worth applying.

However, even going to UIUC is better than going to carbozo or brookyln in terms of job prospects. You are much better coming from UIUC or emory in NY than carbozo or brooklyn.

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:22 pm

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:24 pm

hmm ive seen people get waitlisted on lawschoolnubers at columbia and nyu with a 3.9x and 164........
check it out yourself.
Actually.... you will prob get admitted to fordham. Check the chart for fordham....
I would apply and retake. if you can get higher than 166 you might have a chance outside chance for nyu and columbia.

Can you consider cornell? if you can get a couple more pts you might have a chance there.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/gator36/jd

plenipotentiary · Post by **plenipotentiary** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:29 pm

kruiz88 wrote:Valid point, unfortunately I am tied to the NY/Tri-state area. It's been a pretty depressing bunch of days since that 163. Killed my dream of NYU.

Dude. The URM thing is a game changer. 3.9/163 URM has a shot at NYU.

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:30 pm

... nm i see URM. you will prob get into columbia and nyu.

plenipotentiary · Post by **plenipotentiary** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:36 pm

thexfactor wrote:However, even going to UIUC is better than going to carbozo or brookyln in terms of job prospects. You are much better coming from UIUC or emory in NY than carbozo or brooklyn.

What is this based on? UIUC and Emory are both regional schools, and NYC is not their region.

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:46 pm

Take a look at how many people get NJL250 jobs. Emory and UIUC's percentage is a lot higher than brooklyn and carbozo. People below the top 15% ITE prob top 10% at brooklyn will not get anything from OCI.... TOp 1/3 from emory has a shot at OCI.

plenipotentiary · Post by **plenipotentiary** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:56 pm

thexfactor wrote:Take a look at how many people get NJL250 jobs. Emory and UIUC's percentage is a lot higher than brooklyn and carbozo. People below the top 15% ITE prob top 10% at brooklyn will not get anything from OCI.... TOp 1/3 from emory has a shot at OCI.

But not all NLJ250 firms are in NYC. The fact that UIUC has better job prospects than Cardozo overall doesn't mean that it outperforms Cardozo in NYC.

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:37 pm

Wow, this is some pretty in-depth analysis..thank you

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:41 pm

plenipotentiary wrote:
thexfactor wrote:Take a look at how many people get NJL250 jobs. Emory and UIUC's percentage is a lot higher than brooklyn and carbozo. People below the top 15% ITE prob top 10% at brooklyn will not get anything from OCI.... TOp 1/3 from emory has a shot at OCI.
But not all NLJ250 firms are in NYC. The fact that UIUC has better job prospects than Cardozo overall doesn't mean that it outperforms Cardozo in NYC.

I highly doubt that if you apply to NY firms from emory and have strong connections to the NYC area they will NOT consider you and would have considered you had you attended carbozo and brooklyn.

plenipotentiary · Post by **plenipotentiary** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:46 pm

thexfactor wrote:
plenipotentiary wrote:
thexfactor wrote:Take a look at how many people get NJL250 jobs. Emory and UIUC's percentage is a lot higher than brooklyn and carbozo. People below the top 15% ITE prob top 10% at brooklyn will not get anything from OCI.... TOp 1/3 from emory has a shot at OCI.
But not all NLJ250 firms are in NYC. The fact that UIUC has better job prospects than Cardozo overall doesn't mean that it outperforms Cardozo in NYC.
I highly doubt that if you apply to NY firms from emory and have strong connections to the NYC area they will NOT consider you and would have considered you had you attended carbozo and brooklyn.

There are lots of older partners at NYC firms who attended Cardozo and Brooklyn. Not so much for UIUC and Emory. Alumni stuff can make an impact.

Practicing lawyers who got their degrees thirty years ago probably haven't memorized the USNWR rankings. They won't be like, "Whoa, Emory! That's like 20th, right?" They'll probably be like, "Emory? Is that in the South somewhere? Why didn't you go to Cardozo?"

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:49 pm

maybe, but that is debatable. Emory has a pretty good alumni group in NY. So does BC/BU/GW
What isnt debatable is that firms will go 2x as deep at emory/uiuc. You will have a better chance getting a job and not going on JDU.

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:39 pm

thexfactor · Post by **thexfactor** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:08 pm

kruiz88 wrote:This discussion truly speaks to the quality of the information available on TLS, and why no book will be able to ever match its ability to analyze and comment on the ever increasing amount of data within the world of law. What can I do to make myself a stronger candidate, with the exception of retaking the LSAT? I just fear that my score would drop as a result of the level of my course work currently, which would be culminating at the same time as the LSAT. While impossible to be known for certain, how strong of a chance do I have at NYU? Thanks again to everyone.

you have a chance from at HYS as a URM. Apply to entire T14 + vandy/usc/ucla/tejas + wustl. You
Then evaluate your scholarships and acceptances...

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:40 pm

thexfactor, plenipotentiary- I owe both of you a thank you.

gwuorbust · Post by **gwuorbust** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:44 pm

plenipotentiary wrote:Retake.

Edit: Or just come to Tulane!

/shameless school promotion.

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:43 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
plenipotentiary wrote:Retake.
Edit: Or just come to Tulane!

/shameless school promotion.

Yea, maybe I just will.

kruiz88 · Post by **kruiz88** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:38 am

gwuorbust · Post by **gwuorbust** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:00 pm

kruiz88 wrote: Wow, is it really such a major factor that it could "change the game"? I mean I'm excited, but also a little confused.

yes it is. enjoy the t-14, possibly NYU.

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