3.65/174 Columbia ED? Forum

[rosemerry]

GPA: 3.65
LSAT: 174
Undergrad: NYU Stern
Major: Finance and International Business
Status: International Student

Is it possible to get in for Columbia ED? I mean my GPA ain't stellar at all and is below their median. My LSAT also ain't above their 75th. Thoughts bout NYU RD too?

Thanks guys.

[im_blue]

You're probably 50/50 for CLS ED and about 80% for NYU RD.

[rosemerry]

yo. thanks for the reply.

but the problem is i went to nyu for undergrad and would DIE for a change of campus/environment. spending another 3 years in nyu is a huge turnoff for me.....

[trudat15]

yo. thanks for the reply.

but the problem is i went to nyu for undergrad and would DIE for a change of campus/environment. spending another 3 years in nyu is a huge turnoff for me.....

Then ED Columbia and hope you end up on the right side of 50/50. And still apply RD to NYU to keep options open.

[Patriot1208]

You struck out at the Ibanking recruiting this fall?

[vsl89]

I would not ED if I were you.
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... ,5&type=jd
6/7 ppl with incredibly similar #s applied and were accepted. You can potentially use big $$ offers from Michigan/Duke to try and negotiate with CLS. Of course, if money is not a concern, then go for the ED.

[rosemerry]

patriot1028: nah once i took a few finance majors I realize that this is not for me. I really don't want to spend 110 hrs with numbers. I am so much more comfortable with words and doing them 110 hrs. the only thing business i don't mind doing is consulting which still involves a shitload of numbers.

trudat15:

Yea i saw those numbers at LSN but you know how columbia is, I just wanna be safe and it really is my top choice. As an international without any prospect of getting $, i think its safer to just go ahead with columbia ED rather than trying my luck.

[Patriot1208]

patriot1028: nah once i took a few finance majors I realize that this is not for me. I really don't want to spend 110 hrs with numbers. I am so much more comfortable with words and doing them 110 hrs. the only thing business i don't mind doing is consulting which still involves a shitload of numbers.

trudat15:

Yea i saw those numbers at LSN but you know how columbia is, I just wanna be safe and it really is my top choice. As an international without any prospect of getting $, i think its safer to just go ahead with columbia ED rather than trying my luck.

Ya, I was looking into some business jobs, realized I would hate ibanking too. But I do think i'll at least go through the recruiting for consulting.

[trudat15]

trudat15:

Yea i saw those numbers at LSN but you know how columbia is, I just wanna be safe and it really is my top choice. As an international without any prospect of getting $, i think its safer to just go ahead with columbia ED rather than trying my luck.

I think you were talking to vsl, as he posted the link, though I feel you. Remember that the 6/7 that he posted, two were international students and one was ED.

If $ is definitely not a concern, and you would pick Columbia at sticker over a full darrow from Michigan or substantial money elsewhere (as a few of the applicants on LSN got that year), then go for the ED. I personally think you'd be safe with those numbers (and you might get something like 25k as some of those applicants got), but if you are CERTAIN, throw an ED app and enjoy Morningside Heights.

[rosemerry]

Ok this is confusing for me to say the least. you guys have to pardon me as I have been focusing on finance/business instead of law school related matters..

I thought international students get NO MONEY (merit or need based) whatsoever? U mean if I applied to the lower ranked T14 like georgetown and cornell I might even get money for school? (that is unheard of as an international student).

[bdubs]

I thought international students get NO MONEY (merit or need based) whatsoever? U mean if I applied to the lower ranked T14 like georgetown and cornell I might even get money for school? (that is unheard of as an international student).

International students are eligible for merit based money at most schools, just not federal funds (perkins, stafford, etc..). When people here talk about scholarship money, they are almost always talking about merit based scholarships.

Sidenote: Why do you want to go to a US law school as an international student?

[im_blue]

I still think OP's about 50/50 at CLS. If you look at 3.55-3.69/174 and exclude URMs, internationals, and EDs, you get:
3 in, 3 out, 3 pending
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =1&type=jd

[rosemerry]

hmm. good question on why I wanna attend law school in the states. should have asked myself before i head to stern?
I think the education here is just top notch, no questions asked.

im_blue, yea looking at LSN it does show 50/50 due to my GPA, but would ED improve my 50/50 chances? (I am EDing at columbia).

also, do internationals get it easier in admissions? and by internationals u mean like international students who studied in international undergrad institutions?

[im_blue]

im_blue, yea looking at LSN it does show 50/50 due to my GPA, but would ED improve my 50/50 chances? (I am EDing at columbia).

also, do internationals get it easier in admissions? and by internationals u mean like international students who studied in international undergrad institutions?

Yes, ED would improve your chances. Internationals (with foreign UG degrees) don't have a GPA that counts toward the school's numbers, so in that sense it's easier for them to get in with an above-median LSAT, since the school doesn't have to take any GPA hit.

[applepiecrust]

I still think OP's about 50/50 at CLS. If you look at 3.55-3.69/174 and exclude URMs, internationals, and EDs, you get:
3 in, 3 out, 3 pending
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =1&type=jd

Why would you exclude internationals when OP is international too?
And, no, international students (i.e. on F1 visas, but not those with foreign degrees) do not get a boost. If your undergrad was in the US, you are treated exactly as an American with your stats would be (probably URM status and all, though I'm not sure about that part).

And, yes, international students are eligible for merit aid (I know, huge difference from undergrad!) but not for federal loans and federal work study.

Are you set on Columbia, and is money absolutely not an issue for you? Then go ahead and ED. If you'd rather go to Chicago, perhaps, or shoot for $s at MVBP, or even DCG, then don't ED.

[im_blue]

I still think OP's about 50/50 at CLS. If you look at 3.55-3.69/174 and exclude URMs, internationals, and EDs, you get:
3 in, 3 out, 3 pending
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =1&type=jd

Why would you exclude internationals when OP is international too?

OP is an international student with an LSAC GPA from NYU, while international applicants from foreign UGs don't have LSAC GPAs.

[applepiecrust]

I still think OP's about 50/50 at CLS. If you look at 3.55-3.69/174 and exclude URMs, internationals, and EDs, you get:
3 in, 3 out, 3 pending
http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =1&type=jd

Why would you exclude internationals when OP is international too?

OP is an international student with an LSAC GPA from NYU, while international applicants from foreign UGs don't have LSAC GPAs.

Yeah, but LSN doesn't make that distinction. The "I" marker is self-selected; applicants with LSAC GPAs from US/Canadian UGs could be using it too (I don't have an LSN profile yet but I'd probably use it).

[schnoodle]

to assist you, i was WL'd at CLS last year with a higher gpa and higher LSAT. this was regular decision. but maybe you're much more interesting than i am.

[rosemerry]

schnoodle definitely put things straight here. mind i ask where do u end up attending sch?

[Patriot1208]

schnoodle definitely put things straight here. mind i ask where do u end up attending sch?

he did, with his one anecdotal experience? When there are many variables that could easily separate OP and schnoodle? Especially, considering OP has already stated he will do ED.

[sophie316]

I'm an international student who got merit $$ for law school. It happens.

I don't think it affects acceptances tho, esp at placed like CLS with high % of international students(my theory is its marginally more helpful at NYU bc they have a small % of int students(3%), especially as compared to CLS(9%).