170/3.78 ? Forum

[LegallyBlonde923]

LSAT: 170
GPA: 3.78

Applying to:
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Fordham
Brooklyn
Cardozo
Temple


Thanks

[bostelo]

LSAT: 170
GPA: 3.78

Applying to:
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Fordham
Brooklyn
Cardozo
Temple


Thanks

http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/
Knock yourself out.

[Blindmelon]

LSAT: 170
GPA: 3.78

Applying to:
Columbia OUT
NYU OUT
Penn OUT
Fordham IN
Brooklyn IN
Cardozo IN
Temple IN


Thanks

Answers are based on awful I think your PS will be based on your need to ask this question with your LSAT/GPA.

[romothesavior]

LSAT: 170
GPA: 3.78

Applying to:
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Fordham
Brooklyn
Cardozo
Temple

No you're not applying to Brooklyn, Cardozo, or Temple. Horrible waste of your numbers. As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn, and in with $$ at Fordham.

You need to revise this list. Add MVDCG and Northwestern too if you have WE. It looks like you are set on New York and Pennsylvania schools, but I think the only school you have a shot at getting into that would be worth going to with your numbers is Penn. Fordham would be fine with a full ride, but they are really stingy. Apply to moar schools. Don't waste your numbers.

[Knock]

LSAT: 170
GPA: 3.78

Applying to:
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Fordham
Brooklyn
Cardozo
Temple

No you're not applying to Brooklyn, Cardozo, or Temple. Horrible waste of your numbers. As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn, and in with $$ at Fordham.

You need to revise this list. Add MVDCG and Northwestern too if you have WE. It looks like you are set on New York and Pennsylvania schools, but I think the only school you have a shot at getting into that would be worth going to with your numbers is Penn. Fordham would be fine with a full ride, but they are really stingy. Apply to moar schools. Don't waste your numbers.

This. Listen to Oscar the Grouch. I would also throw an application Berkeley's way, you're .02 below their 2010 median GPA and at the 75th of their median LSAT. Even if you're interested in the East Coast only, you never know where you'll get money, and you can use it to leverage money from your top choices.

[LegallyBlonde923]

LSAT: 170
GPA: 3.78

Applying to:
Columbia
NYU
Penn
Fordham
Brooklyn
Cardozo
Temple

No you're not applying to Brooklyn, Cardozo, or Temple. Horrible waste of your numbers. As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn, and in with $$ at Fordham.

You need to revise this list. Add MVDCG and Northwestern too if you have WE. It looks like you are set on New York and Pennsylvania schools, but I think the only school you have a shot at getting into that would be worth going to with your numbers is Penn. Fordham would be fine with a full ride, but they are really stingy. Apply to moar schools. Don't waste your numbers.

What do you mean by MVDCG / WE?

[NayBoer]

What do you mean by MVDCG / WE?

Michigan, Virginia, Duke, Cornell, and Georgetown. WE = work experience. Northwestern wants 1-2+ years after college.

[LegallyBlonde923]

What do you mean by MVDCG / WE?

Michigan, Virginia, Duke, Cornell, and Georgetown. WE = work experience. Northwestern wants 1-2+ years after college.

Got it. Thanks for all of your help. I'm going to go over my schools list again tonight with this in mind.

[leopardRAWR]

I have almost identical numbers to you and initially planned to also apply to a narrow list of schools. I was advised to expand that list considerably, and am now applying to the entire t20 schools minus HYS. You should at the very least add the rest of the t14 schools to your list. If you go to law school numbers and spend some time looking at how applicants with similar numbers to ours did last cycle at many of the top schools, you'll see that it's hard to know exactly which schools will or won't give you money, and how much they will give you. These are just a few applicants with similar numbers from last cycle:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jadjerd
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kjl11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Nerdmo
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cat16

You will never know who will admit you, and with what scholarship money, until you apply. Also, if you are not concerned with scholarship offers, you may want to consider applying ED to Columbia, NYU, or Penn. It could help your chances. If you decide not to ED anywhere, definitely apply early. If you look at applicants with similar numbers at, for example, Penn last year, timing of the application seemed to be the biggest difference between an acceptance with scholarship and a rejection. Best of luck with your applications.

[romothesavior]

If the east coast is your goal, GW, BU, and BC should be on your list. I'd imagine you'd be competitive for near-full ride at all three of those, if debt aversion is your thing.

[badfish]

ED to NYU.

???

Profit.

[LegallyBlonde923]

I have almost identical numbers to you and initially planned to also apply to a narrow list of schools. I was advised to expand that list considerably, and am now applying to the entire t20 schools minus HYS. You should at the very least add the rest of the t14 schools to your list. If you go to law school numbers and spend some time looking at how applicants with similar numbers to ours did last cycle at many of the top schools, you'll see that it's hard to know exactly which schools will or won't give you money, and how much they will give you. These are just a few applicants with similar numbers from last cycle:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/jadjerd
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kjl11
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Nerdmo
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/cat16

You will never know who will admit you, and with what scholarship money, until you apply. Also, if you are not concerned with scholarship offers, you may want to consider applying ED to Columbia, NYU, or Penn. It could help your chances. If you decide not to ED anywhere, definitely apply early. If you look at applicants with similar numbers at, for example, Penn last year, timing of the application seemed to be the biggest difference between an acceptance with scholarship and a rejection. Best of luck with your applications.

Thanks for the info, are you applying ED anywhere? I wouldn't mind being in the position of the second one "kjl11"... I would take that much money at fordham.

and badfish, how much does ED improve your chances? i'm nervous to do it, even though I love NYU, because i'm strapped for money and will end up paying sticker price IF i get accepted...

[leopardRAWR]

Glad I could help. I am not applying ED anywhere because I want to see what schools, if any, offer me scholarships. I thought about what kinds of law I may want to practice, where I want to practice, etc., and looked into what relevant opportunities different schools on my list would give me. I realized that within the t20, there were multiple schools that would help me reach my goals, so it was in my best interest to apply broadly and see which school could help me get where I want to go for the lowest cost.

My understanding is that ED can slightly help your chances because schools know if they accept you, you will for sure attend, and that helps their yield rate. Law school predictor has Columbia and NYU as "consider" for our numbers for both regular and early decision. Penn is a "consider" for regular decision, but changes to "strong consider" for early decision. Run a search for ED applicants with similar numbers at schools you are considering ED-ing to on law school numbers, and compare their results to those with similar numbers who applied regular decision. That will give you a better picture of how much it will affect your chances.

[Chris_cpb]

In accordance to the predictor is a "strong considor" really an automatic waitlist? Looks like that's the consensus.

[Knock]

In accordance to the predictor is a "strong considor" really an automatic waitlist? Looks like that's the consensus.

What? no

Edit:
From here: http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/?page_id=173

The admit rate was calculated by taking the number of admitted applicants divided by total applicants for each respective prediciton category (total applicants includes admitted, waitlisted, and rejected applicants, but does not include those who status was listed as “pending”). The prediction categories used in testing accuracy are the same as LSP’s prediction engine with the exception of early prediction (which was not tested); predictions are adjusted to account for splitter-ness, weak GPAs, and URM status.

All Applicants

Target admit rates, based on how LSP renders predictions:
When LSP said Admit: >= 87%
When LSP said Strong Consider: ~ 69%
When LSP said Consider: ~ 50%
When LSP said Weak Consider: ~ 31%
When LSP said Deny: <= 13%

So if you're getting "Strong Consider" that's roughly a ~69% of acceptance (assuming non-URM).

[Chris_cpb]

[quote="romothesavior"][quote="LegallyBlonde923"]LSAT: 170
As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn

So then this post was determined by other factors presumably?

OP had strong consider for Penn.

[Knock]

LSAT: 170
As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn

So then this post was determined by other factors presumably?

OP had strong consider for Penn.

Not sure, maybe the poster was incorrect, or there are a few "holes" like LSAT floors that LSP misses, although I don't think that is this case. Sometimes schools do predictable or funky things in cycles.

[kazu]

LSAT: 170

As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn

So then this post was determined by other factors presumably?

OP had strong consider for Penn.

No he doesn't. OP has "consider" for Penn. This changes to "strong consider" if he decides to ED. If he doesn't ED, there is maybe a 50/50 chance that s/he will be waitlisted. I'm guessing romo was being conservative.

Edit: had to fix the messed-up quotes b/c it was starting to annoy me.

[Chris_cpb]

LSAT: 170
As for the others, I'd say you are likely out at CN, WL at Penn

Sometimes schools do predictable or funky things in cycles.

Which are likely related to what the schools need at any certain time based on their own numbers/rankings. Unfortunately, these things cannot realistically be taught to young and fresh UG students because doing so would have the potential consequence of making the law school look selfish.

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[kazu]

Dude you really have to figure out the quote system. It's really not that hard. Just click "quote" on the upper-right-hand side of the post that you wish to quote, and then leave a message either over, or under, what has appeared in the text box. I don't think you're up to modifying quotes just yet.

[Chris_cpb]

Dude you really have to figure out the quote system. It's really not that hard. Just click "quote" on the upper-right-hand side of the post that you wish to quote, and then leave a message either over, or under, what has appeared in the text box. I don't think you're up to modifying quotes just yet.

Thanks. What an intelligent, sincere, and helpful post. You are clearly an expert here

[Knock]

Here you go, found this in another thread:

Q: What does the “DECISION” field mean?
A:
DECISION Key
ADMIT: You’re an auto-admit and will likely be admitted, unless the school is practicing yield protection, or you clearly didn’t take the application seriously. This corresponds roughly to a greater than 75% chance of being admitted.
STRONG CONSIDER: You have a good to great chance of being admitted. This corresponds roughly to a 63% to 75% chance of being admitted.
CONSIDER: You have a decent chance of being admitted; you may be waitlisted, or possibly rejected. This corresponds roughly to a 38% to 62% chance of being admitted.
WEAK CONSIDER: You have a poor to moderate chance of being admitted; there is the distinct possibility you will be waitlisted or rejected. This corresponds roughly to a 25% to 37% chance of being admitted.
DENY: You’re an auto-reject and will likely be rejected without other compelling non-LSAT/GPA characteristics. This corresponds roughly to a less than 25% chance of being admitted.

[Grizz]

Everyone keeps talking about LSP here. Law School Numbers should give you a better picture.

[Knock]

Everyone keeps talking about LSP here. Law School Numbers should give you a better picture.

Good point but I wanted to clarify the "decision" field .

[Chris_cpb]

Everyone keeps talking about LSP here. Law School Numbers should give you a better picture.

Good point but I wanted to clarify the "decision" field .

And you did so at a good time. Clearly, there have been some misjudgements in this thread and this seals the deal.