168/3.75 UVA ED Forum

[romothesavior]

I am thinking about applying for the UVA ED program. First of all, what are my chances? Non URM, non-resident, straight out of UG.

Second, when does this have to be submitted? I couldn't find the information on their website.

[terp200]

They removed the deadline, you can send it in whenever. As for your chances, applying ED will definitely help some but I wouldn't consider it much of a lock because of your LSAT score. http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-co ... ograms.htm

[AngryAvocado]

Eh, pretty sure you're below both medians, so I don't really like your chances. I believe the deadline is March 1st (same as normal RD deadline).

[im_blue]

Zero with both numbers below median.

[jawsthegreat]

0%, go to Michigan

[vanwinkle]

Unless you have some really amazing story you tell in your PS that floors everyone who reads it, you're rejected. And since you're fresh out of UG, I'm gonna assume you don't have such a story.

Your only real shot at UVA is to retake the LSAT and reapply. Sorry, dude.

[im_blue]

0%, go to [strike]Michigan[/strike] Cornell

[ndirish2010]

Similar numbers (slightly lower GPA) and just did the ED to UVA...I don't like our chances, but hey it's worth a shot! In this case, I would rather be a reverse splitter with something like 3.9/164, so at least one number was above the medians, but oh well. Agreed that Cornell is your best shot at the T14.

[genev26]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

[ndirish2010]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

Yes, but the rankings are based on medians, and UVA has no reason to accept an OOS applicant with numbers below both of them (which is my situation as well, I'm just applying ED in the very slight hope that they don't think like this). I would imagine most people with LSATs in the 165-169 range are either 3.9+ GPAs, URMs, in-staters, or all three.

[genev26]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

Yes, but the rankings are based on medians, and UVA has no reason to accept an OOS applicant with numbers below both of them (which is my situation as well, I'm just applying ED in the very slight hope that they don't think like this). I would imagine most people with LSATs in the 165-169 range are either 3.9+ GPAs, URMs, in-staters, or all three.

Fair point. Still, I think 0% is a bit of an exaggeration and it's not a pointless application. Any consensus on how much in-state status helps?

[ndirish2010]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

Yes, but the rankings are based on medians, and UVA has no reason to accept an OOS applicant with numbers below both of them (which is my situation as well, I'm just applying ED in the very slight hope that they don't think like this). I would imagine most people with LSATs in the 165-169 range are either 3.9+ GPAs, URMs, in-staters, or all three.

Fair point. Still, I think 0% is a bit of an exaggeration and it's not a pointless application. Any consensus on how much in-state status helps?

Not really sure, but I think it is a pretty decent amount. I agree that the OP doesn't have a zero percent chance, but I doubt it is the almost 50% that LSP indicates either (I know LSP says 43% for me and I'm 3.66/168)...more like 10%.

[Grizz]

We are numbers twins. I got waitlisted.

edit: applied RD

[ndirish2010]

We are numbers twins. I got waitlisted.

Hey that gives me some hope that I'm not an auto-reject at least. I know UVA isn't known for taking many off the WL, but it's still better than a ding.

[Grizz]

We are numbers twins. I got waitlisted.

Hey that gives me some hope that I'm not an auto-reject at least. I know UVA isn't known for taking many off the WL, but it's still better than a ding.

Oh yeah for sure.

[flyingpanda]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

Yes, but the rankings are based on medians, and UVA has no reason to accept an OOS applicant with numbers below both of them (which is my situation as well, I'm just applying ED in the very slight hope that they don't think like this). I would imagine most people with LSATs in the 165-169 range are either 3.9+ GPAs, URMs, in-staters, or all three.

Fair point. Still, I think 0% is a bit of an exaggeration and it's not a pointless application. Any consensus on how much in-state status helps?

In this case, it's not 0%, but it's close. If you look at the graphs on LSN, there are distinct lines of acceptances if you have a number that hits the median. I'm looking at this year's graph and last year's graph and I'm seeing literally no acceptances below both medians except with URM status. It's not a pointless application. If you really want to go to the school it's never pointless, but chances are not good. OP has a much better shot at Cornell and Michigan. There's always a shot off the waitlist too.

To answer your question about in-state: There is no official boost and the medians of in-state and OOS are pretty much the same. That being said, UVA reserves 60% of class spots for in-state and there are 9 OOS applicants for every in-state applicant. So if you have the numbers, being in-state is a pretty big advantage.

[ndirish2010]

Agreed, OP has a pretty good shot at Cornell and probably 50/50 at Michigan (just above GPA median and just below LSAT median from last year)

[im_blue]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

Yes, but the rankings are based on medians, and UVA has no reason to accept an OOS applicant with numbers below both of them (which is my situation as well, I'm just applying ED in the very slight hope that they don't think like this). I would imagine most people with LSATs in the 165-169 range are either 3.9+ GPAs, URMs, in-staters, or all three.

TITCR, except LSN shows 260+ below-both-median non-URM applicants last year, and not a single one was accepted. So not even in-state applicants have any shot in that case. The only <169 acceptances are 3.85+ or URMs.

[ndirish2010]

I actually think you might have a decent shot. UVA's GPA range (25%-75%) is 3.54-3.92 and their LSAT range is 165-171. Go for it.

Stats here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... ctives.htm

Yes, but the rankings are based on medians, and UVA has no reason to accept an OOS applicant with numbers below both of them (which is my situation as well, I'm just applying ED in the very slight hope that they don't think like this). I would imagine most people with LSATs in the 165-169 range are either 3.9+ GPAs, URMs, in-staters, or all three.

TITCR, except LSN shows 260+ below-both-median non-URM applicants last year, and not a single one was accepted. So not even in-state applicants have any shot in that case. The only <169 acceptances are 3.85+ or URMs.

Didn't realize not even one got in, but makes sense. However, some were WL, which at least gives them a chance.

[romothesavior]

Agreed, OP has a pretty good shot at Cornell and probably 50/50 at Michigan (just above GPA median and just below LSAT median from last year)

Yeah, I got into Cornell and I applied ED to Mich and got deferred to RD. Not liking my chances at UM, which is why I'm considering ED to UVA. I'm really trying to find a way to crack the T10, but unless Michigan or Duke miraculously come thru, it doesn't look too good.

[multimh]

Um I have a quick question. I started a thread asking if I should ED and my stats are 3.95/ 163, and people said I have about a 50/50 shot, how can this guy not have a better shot than me?

[im_blue]

Um I have a quick question. I started a thread asking if I should ED and my stats are 3.95/ 163, and people said I have about a 50/50 shot, how can this guy not have a better shot than me?

UVA takes many 3.85+/169- applicants, especially ED. UVA never takes 3.84-/169- applicants.

[ndirish2010]

Um I have a quick question. I started a thread asking if I should ED and my stats are 3.95/ 163, and people said I have about a 50/50 shot, how can this guy not have a better shot than me?

UVA takes many 3.85+/169- applicants, especially ED. UVA never takes 3.84-/169- applicants.

+1. Medians, medians, medians...unfortunately for people like me, but very fortunately for people like you. Good luck!

[vanwinkle]

Um I have a quick question. I started a thread asking if I should ED and my stats are 3.95/ 163, and people said I have about a 50/50 shot, how can this guy not have a better shot than me?

UVA takes many 3.85+/169- applicants, especially ED. UVA never takes 3.84-/169- applicants.

+1, completely spot-on.

[genev26]

Um I have a quick question. I started a thread asking if I should ED and my stats are 3.95/ 163, and people said I have about a 50/50 shot, how can this guy not have a better shot than me?

UVA takes many 3.85+/169- applicants, especially ED. UVA never takes 3.84-/169- applicants.

+1, completely spot-on.

Disagree. UVA undergrad puts out stats indicating medians for its own students at various law schools. Median for UVA undergrad to UVA law was 167, 3.64 in 2008. They haven't put a more recent one out yet though. Obviously this isn't going to make you feel better if you didn't go to UVA for undergrad, but the medians there are different.