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Post by A. Nony Mouse » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:07 am

JazzyMac wrote:I didn't answer it initially because you crapped on it with your comment. Non's initial comment was "it's the only job that will pay off sticker realistically", which is definitely not the case. Logically speaking and splitting hairs, any job can pay off school. THEN, Nony added, "in the same timeframe", which again I could disagree with, but with not having salaries of Big Law in comparison to say, government jobs, private sectors, military, DINK-ers (double income, no kids), living low-key with public transportation, etc., etc. Assumably when Nony asked the question, he had all those answers, which I can't tell you.

But common sense says that since only a percentage of folks even work big law, in comparison to those who go to top law schools, then there are a lot of people paying off their schools in some form or fashion, and yet not working big law. How many? I couldn't tell ya.
Re: the bolded - we have that info. Big law market firms offer the highest salaries, higher than anything else you identify (I'm leaving out stuff like DINKs because if you have outside money none of this really matters). Of course individual circumstances differ, but speaking generically, biglaw is at the top of the salary pile (I'm including those few elite boutiques that pay more in the category of biglaw because of what they look for and their work conditions). And all else being equal, something that lets you pay off a massive debt sooner rather than later is preferable.

Of course there are people who pay sticker at top schools (and not top schools), and who don't go into biglaw. There are LRAPs and PSLF if you go into public interest. That doesn't alter the fact that economically, if you take out loans to pay sticker for a top school, the highest paying job will let you pay off that debt the quickest, and that this is what most people with massive debt want to do. So many people at top schools aim for biglaw. Also, the best LRAP programs are associated with the top schools, which goes back to getting a higher LSAT and going to a t14 school.

And no one tells anyone they have to go into biglaw if they don't want to. But people here do tell applicants willing to pay sticker than biglaw offers the best chance of paying off that debt. And people use biglaw placement as a proxy for access to other jobs because placement into biglaw usually correlates with placement into other competitive jobs. Beyond that it depends on someone's goals. As already said, no one is going to tell the person set on a state government job in Colorado that they have to go to a T14. They might point out that paying off sticker (even not at the t14) on a $55k/year government job is a lot harder than paying it off on a $160k/yr job, though.

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Re: Severely Under-performed on Feb LSAT - 153/3.33 UGPA

Post by bmathers » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:15 am

Jim Jones wrote: nony, these two dudes are the same dude, just go ahead and ban
I don't even know where to begin with that comment. I'm glad that you are giving permission for what you do not know.

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Post by bmathers » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:28 am

Jim Jones wrote: if you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best.
??? Good thing I never alluded to wanting you at your best or worst. You aren't "hard" dawg. We're on a damn message board, come on man this is not a life of hard knocks or a place to act "cool"

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Post by Danger Zone » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:42 am

bmathers wrote:
Jim Jones wrote: if you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best.
??? Good thing I never alluded to wanting you at your best or worst. You aren't "hard" dawg. We're on a damn message board, come on man this is not a life of hard knocks or a place to act "cool"
I didn't realize Marilyn was hard :lol:
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Post by bmathers » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:33 pm

Danger,

Would you advise applying to Duquesne? Not so much because I view that as a destination with my current LSAT, but for a possible scholarship to barter with. Also, the application deadline there is May 1 -- my new LSATs (which will hopefully be higher) don't come out until July.

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Post by PeanutsNJam » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:50 pm

I'd also like to add that most of the neat high paying non-biglaw jobs (including non-JD jobs like CEO/CFO/public equity etc) you see people having require biglaw on your resume. Biglaw is a means to another better career for most people.

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Post by pancakes3 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:14 pm

Biglaw talk is a nonstarter with TTTs. The fear isn't the difference between 160k vs 60k. The fear is employment vs unemployment. Hth

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Post by Danger Zone » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:32 pm

bmathers wrote:Danger,

Would you advise applying to Duquesne? Not so much because I view that as a destination with my current LSAT, but for a possible scholarship to barter with. Also, the application deadline there is May 1 -- my new LSATs (which will hopefully be higher) don't come out until July.

Thanks for your expertise and oppinion
Only if the application is free and you absolutely promise yourself you won't go there. Not sure how much other schools will view it as a peer for bargaining purposes but if it's free to apply to then it's worth it.
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Post by 052220152 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:06 am

bmathers wrote:
Jim Jones wrote: if you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best.
??? Good thing I never alluded to wanting you at your best or worst. You aren't "hard" dawg. We're on a damn message board, come on man this is not a life of hard knocks or a place to act "cool"
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Post by 052220152 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:07 am

bmathers wrote:
Jim Jones wrote: nony, these two dudes are the same dude, just go ahead and ban
I don't even know where to begin with that comment. I'm glad that you are giving permission for what you do not know.
this makes no sense

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Post by bmathers » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:45 am

Danger Zone wrote:
bmathers wrote:Danger,

Would you advise applying to Duquesne? Not so much because I view that as a destination with my current LSAT, but for a possible scholarship to barter with. Also, the application deadline there is May 1 -- my new LSATs (which will hopefully be higher) don't come out until July.

Thanks for your expertise and oppinion
Only if the application is free and you absolutely promise yourself you won't go there. Not sure how much other schools will view it as a peer for bargaining purposes but if it's free to apply to then it's worth it.
Ok, thanks. I know that you'd shoot me for considering it, but Akron for free-$5k/yr is pretty tempting. I know that it is a "TTT", but I doubt that I'll need to take out any COL loans, and graduating with a JD and less than $15k debt (possibly none) is very tempting. Although, when I take my LSATs again, maybe I am looking at that same scholarship money for PSU or Villanova - that would be a no-brainer

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Post by bmathers » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:48 am

Jim Jones wrote:
bmathers wrote:
Jim Jones wrote: nony, these two dudes are the same dude, just go ahead and ban
I don't even know where to begin with that comment. I'm glad that you are giving permission for what you do not know.
this makes no sense
In other words, I am saying that we are not the same person. The mod can check the IP addresses to confirm. I didn't think that I would need to explain that to you.

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Post by GFox345 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:44 pm

Jim Jones wrote:
bmathers wrote:
Jim Jones wrote: if you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best.
??? Good thing I never alluded to wanting you at your best or worst. You aren't "hard" dawg. We're on a damn message board, come on man this is not a life of hard knocks or a place to act "cool"
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Post by bmathers » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:07 pm

Marylin Monroe. I didn't know the quote was attributed to her, big deal. I don't follow past or present celebs, politics, or media. It's pretty interesting to watch an online community. It's like a strip club, people play out their fantasies, but behind a screen. Are you weak, and/or maybe have no friends in real life (I'm not saying this is the case here)? Jump on a message board and take your frustration out by bullying others. We all get to live out our "fantasies" ;-)

Forum communities are social experiments.
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Post by 052220152 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:45 pm

bmathers wrote:Marylin Monroe. I didn't know the quote was attributed to her, big deal. I don't follow past or present celebs, politics, or media. It's pretty interesting to watch an online community. It's like a strip club, people play out their fantasies, but behind a screen. Are you weak, and/or maybe have no friends in real life (I'm not saying this is the case here)? Jump on a message board and take your frustration out by bullying others. We all get to live out our "fantasies" ;-)

Forum communities are social experiments.
you came here asking for advice, were given sound advice, and then proceeded to ignore it. im not bullying you, im calling you an idiot because of your actions.

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Post by A. Nony Mouse » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:47 pm

Stop fighting, people, and while Jim Jones was being a dick, using the f-word (f***** not fuck) here is a bannable offense even if you sanitize it. So, yeah, you get a little break for that.

Jim Jones, maybe don't call people retards in the on-topics, okay?

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Post by Manali » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:17 pm

Danger Zone wrote:
bmathers wrote:By the way, would you rec applying to Drexel and Duquesne (regional schools for my interest of maybe practicing in PA), or holding off till next cycle, since I am likely going to hold out one more year (LSATs)? Is Drexel respected in the PA market?

Ideally, I would like to score in the 160s and go to Villanova on a scholarship.
No. I'm very familiar with these schools and Drexel is absolute bottom of the barrel, right there with Widener.
Drexel's LST score is on par with Temple, Villanova, and Rutgers-Camden. Do your research before you call it "bottom of the barrel".

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Post by Danger Zone » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:27 pm

I've done plenty of research. Look at the under- and unemployment scores on your own link. Drexel and Villanova far outpace Drexel.
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Post by Manali » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:38 pm

Danger Zone wrote:I've done plenty of research. Look at the under- and unemployment scores on your own link. Drexel and Villanova far outpace Drexel.
Drexel is a solid choice if you get a big scholarship/live with family to keep student debt low and want to stay local. Drexel has a respected name in the Philadelphia region. I've done much better in terms of interviews/offers since transferring from the dumpster fire I attended.

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Post by Danger Zone » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:56 pm

The dumpster fire you attended was neither Temple nor Villanova nor Rutgers nor Widener, it wasn't even in the tri-state area, so that's not a fair comparison. The comment about getting a good scholarship and having a decent name applies more so to the other Philly schools because they aren't brand new in the area. A sizeable alumni base gives them the advantage.
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Post by A. Nony Mouse » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:21 pm

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A. Nony Mouse wrote:You also have much higher grades now.


Even last semester, before my grades were released, I got a screener and callback with the Philly PD. I didn't even get a screener with BC on my resume. Drexel is respected in the Philadelphia area.

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