166 cc dropout looking to turn it around in 4 year college Forum

[gonzofists]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

law school grading is blind.


i also hate you

[A. Nony Mouse]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

Yeah, getting advice from your profs about how to succeed in their classes is a good idea. As long as you're doing it genuinely to get advice, and not just because you think it looks good and will make the prof like you. Nothing annoys a prof more than actually giving a student advice and the student disregarding the advice entirely.

[csprizzle38]

Also, moreso than anything discussed ITT, I think the most important thing for you is to mature and grow up. Even if everything works perfectly just as you plan, these things alone do not make for much of a career if you are insufferable and nobody wants to work with you.

Insufferable: Big Law Partners

(A) Dime: Dozen
(B) Cheetah: Speed
(C) Fashionable: Gays
(D) Great Prose: Scalia
(E) All of the above

[mu13ski]

Also, moreso than anything discussed ITT, I think the most important thing for you is to mature and grow up. Even if everything works perfectly just as you plan, these things alone do not make for much of a career if you are insufferable and nobody wants to work with you.

Insufferable: Big Law Partners

(A) Dime: Dozen
(B) Cheetah: Speed
(C) Fashionable: Gays
(D) Great Prose: Scalia
(E) All of the above

wut.

[csprizzle38]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

Yeah, getting advice from your profs about how to succeed in their classes is a good idea. As long as you're doing it genuinely to get advice, and not just because you think it looks good and will make the prof like you. Nothing annoys a prof more than actually giving a student advice and the student disregarding the advice entirely.

My goal is to get close with not just my Honors College instructors but also my history and finance instructors. I'd like to get a letter of recommendation from one from each subgroup. (One of my slated American History professors went to Penn, so I'll definitely going to work extra hard in his class.)

[csprizzle38]

Also, moreso than anything discussed ITT, I think the most important thing for you is to mature and grow up. Even if everything works perfectly just as you plan, these things alone do not make for much of a career if you are insufferable and nobody wants to work with you.

Insufferable: Big Law Partners

(A) Dime: Dozen
(B) Cheetah: Speed
(C) Fashionable: Gays
(D) Great Prose: Scalia
(E) All of the above

wut.

It's called an analogy question... What? It is clever! Shut up! haha

[jdmonkey]

Also, moreso than anything discussed ITT, I think the most important thing for you is to mature and grow up. Even if everything works perfectly just as you plan, these things alone do not make for much of a career if you are insufferable and nobody wants to work with you.

Insufferable: Big Law Partners

(A) Dime: Dozen
(B) Cheetah: Speed
(C) Fashionable: Gays
(D) Great Prose: Scalia
(E) All of the above

wut.

It's called an analogy question... What? It is clever! Shut up! haha

Law school will take you at least 7 years. Why not retake the SAT/ACT and go to BU/BC and study finance. You can make 120k your first year, and not have to pay for law school. Blacks get a big AA boost in finance, because the feds financially incentivize the bulge brackets to hire URM's.

[d cooper]

My chief argument to the law schools will be that "if you forget about cc zeroes, I'd be an average white applicant at your school. So of course you should use me to diversify, notwithstanding my technical GPA and middling LSAT."

Don't do this.

[chuckbass]

Also, moreso than anything discussed ITT, I think the most important thing for you is to mature and grow up. Even if everything works perfectly just as you plan, these things alone do not make for much of a career if you are insufferable and nobody wants to work with you.

Insufferable: Big Law Partners

(A) Dime: Dozen
(B) Cheetah: Speed
(C) Fashionable: Gays
(D) Great Prose: Scalia
(E) All of the above

Big Law partners get the privilege of being insufferable because they have spent a career amassing a book of business which keeps the firm afloat. You, however, have not reached this point.

[csprizzle38]

[/quote]

Law school will take you at least 7 years. Why not retake the SAT/ACT and go to BU/BC and study finance. You can make 120k your first year, and not have to pay for law school. Blacks get a big AA boost in finance, because the feds financially incentivize the bulge brackets to hire URM's.[/quote]


My passion for becoming a Big Law partner stems from my belief that commercial litigation is the field that gives me the best chance to be truly great at something lucrative and prestigious. I'm sure I would turn out OK working in any number of fields, but I like to hunk I'll establish a reputation as a *premiere* legal practitioner.

I've scored over 170 on the LSAT under strict timed conditions more than once. The 166 I achieved in June represents the low end of my range. After I'm admitted to an elite law school, my interest in affirmative action will evaporate; indeed, I'm confident that I'll outperform most of my future white classmates spotting issues in fact patterns and writing analytical essays about them. (Minus zero on one LR section, 48/51 overall.)

[csprizzle38]

My chief argument to the law schools will be that "if you forget about cc zeroes, I'd be an average white applicant at your school. So of course you should use me to diversify, notwithstanding my technical GPA and middling LSAT."

Don't do this.

I won't have to say it; it'll be obvious....

Law school admissions officers sometimes sacrifice stats for diversity, but only when a URM's overall academic credentials can allay their fears that his marginally lower "numbers" don't mean he'll be out of his depth intellectually. If---and I earnestly acknowledge that this is a big "if"---I graduate from college with highest distinction and Phi Beta Kappa, they will *infer on their own* that I'll be capable of holding my own during law review bull sessions.

The GPA addendum would merely---subtly---point out that my six-years-removed junior college F's don't hold any predictive weight, in light of my accomplishments in real college.

[cron1834]

My passion for becoming a Big Law partner stems from my belief that commercial litigation is the field that gives me the best chance to be truly great at something lucrative and prestigious. I'm sure I would turn out OK working in any number of fields, but I like to hunk I'll establish a reputation as a *premiere* legal practitioner.

I've scored over 170 on the LSAT under strict timed conditions more than once. The 166 I achieved in June represents the low end of my range. After I'm admitted to an elite law school, my interest in affirmative action will evaporate; indeed, I'm confident that I'll outperform most of my future white classmates spotting issues in fact patterns and writing analytical essays about them. (Minus zero on one LR section, 48/51 overall.)

It's a good thing you won't be going up against white classmates that beat your ass on the LSAT, then. Oh, wait ...

[csprizzle38]

I know EXACTLY how I'll be perceived until first year grades are posted and we hold our first law review meeting. Suffice it to say I'll be prepared to make quite an impression.

[cron1834]

Anyway, I don't know why this is a LS performance (or even admissions!) argument - you haven't even finished year 1 of UG. This is pointless. I've graded down arrogant know-it-alls for misusing 5-dollar words among the 4-digits worth of college papers I've graded ... you seem like exactly the type that would underperform their intelligence. In fact, you already did that in your first go-round.

Good luck to you; that's all there is left to say.

[chuckbass]

I know EXACTLY how I'll be perceived until first year grades are posted and we hold our first law review meeting. Suffice it to say I'll be prepared to make quite an impression.

[FKASunny]

Don't wanna read through an entire troll thread to see if anyone has made this point yet, but LSAC will not replace grades for classes you retake. Those 7 Fs are going to be calculated into your LSAC GPA no matter how your UG calculates it.

[redsox]

What a thread.

[d cooper]

Peak of the thread:

If I'm a poor analytical writer, so too are the finest appellate litigators and jurists in the nation, whose styles (and rich vocabularies) I've successfully "ARROGATED." So bite me. You send me your latest essay; I'll send you mine; and we'll compare. (You're attacking my "communication skills" because you find my forceful style "off-putting," not because you think I write shoddy prose. Gimme' a friggen' break haha.)

[gnomgnomuch]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

law school grading is blind.


i also hate you

For gods sake, please dont actually approach your professor on the first day of class and tell them you want an A. Everyone WANTS an A. Many professors wont like you from the get go, just because of that. It would be much more prudent to pay attention in lecture, and send an e-mail afterwards about some specific part of class. This will at least establish a connection between the two of you (and is also how i'm getting my LOR's) and then if you are struggling for whatever reason, the professor might be inclined to give you a break. For example, if you're on the cusp of a B+/A-, a professor who knows your name,knows you pay attention in class, know you do the work and likes you would be much more inclined to give you the A-.

[csprizzle38]

Anyway, I don't know why this is a LS performance (or even admissions!) argument - you haven't even finished year 1 of UG. This is pointless. I've graded down arrogant know-it-alls for misusing 5-dollar words among the 4-digits worth of college papers I've graded ... you seem like exactly the type that would underperform their intelligence. In fact, you already did that in your first go-round.

Good luck to you; that's all there is left to say.

This is why I can have a law school performance argument. I've read and highlighted and taken copious notes on the following texts I purchased off Amazon (beginning in senior year of high school):

http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Law-Inter ... 31427555X/
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Your-Case- ... 314184716/
http://www.amazon.com/Getting-To-Maybe- ... 890897603/
http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Like-Law ... 813344646/
http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Like-Lawy ... 594600325/
http://www.amazon.com/Types-Legal-Argum ... 594605165/
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Lega ... 226474089/
http://www.amazon.com/One-Turbulent-Sto ... 143119028/

http://www.amazon.com/Matter-Interpreta ... 691004005/
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Our-Democr ... 307390837/
http://www.amazon.com/Problems-Jurispru ... 674708768/ (I have like ten of Posner's books)

http://www.amazon.com/Point-Made-Write- ... 195394879/
http://www.amazon.com/Garner-Language-W ... 604424451/
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Legal-St ... 195141628/
http://www.amazon.com/Legal-Writing-Pla ... 226284182/

There's a funny story behind this last one: I told my mom that I needed fifty dollars to buy my prom ticket at the door, but I actually sneaked over to Wal-Mart---wearing a suit haha---and bought an Amazon gift card so I could buy Bryan Garner! Can you believe that? xD

http://www.amazon.com/The-Winning-Brief ... 19517075X/

[UMich11]

great troll thread. Now, on the off chance you're serious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E

[csprizzle38]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

law school grading is blind.


i also hate you

For gods sake, please dont actually approach your professor on the first day of class and tell them you want an A. Everyone WANTS an A. Many professors wont like you from the get go, just because of that. It would be much more prudent to pay attention in lecture, and send an e-mail afterwards about some specific part of class. This will at least establish a connection between the two of you (and is also how i'm getting my LOR's) and then if you are struggling for whatever reason, the professor might be inclined to give you a break. For example, if you're on the cusp of a B+/A-, a professor who knows your name,knows you pay attention in class, know you do the work and likes you would be much more inclined to give you the A-.

I agree... I don't want to let him know more than indirectly that I'm a "gunner" (faute de mieux - 6 dollar word lol); far better, I think, merely to emphasize that I'm genuinely interested in the subject and a conscientious student. I here professors are notoriously inconsistent returning emails though, haha.

[gnomgnomuch]

Law school will take you at least 7 years. Why not retake the SAT/ACT and go to BU/BC and study finance. You can make 120k your first year, and not have to pay for law school. Blacks get a big AA boost in finance, because the feds financially incentivize the bulge brackets to hire URM's.[/quote]


My passion for becoming a Big Law partner stems from my belief that commercial litigation is the field that gives me the best chance to be truly great at something lucrative and prestigious. I'm sure I would turn out OK working in any number of fields, but I like to hunk I'll establish a reputation as a *premiere* legal practitioner.

I've scored over 170 on the LSAT under strict timed conditions more than once. The 166 I achieved in June represents the low end of my range. After I'm admitted to an elite law school, my interest in affirmative action will evaporate; indeed, I'm confident that I'll outperform most of my future white classmates spotting issues in fact patterns and writing analytical essays about them. (Minus zero on one LR section, 48/51 overall.)[/quote]


....WHUT.

Your interest in affirmative action will EVAPORATE. Dude, that's such a dick thing to say. AA is meant to actually help minorities climb up the social ladder. Using something that helps you out so much, and then saying "ha, fuck that shit, idgaf." immediately after it has helped put you into a position that most cant even dream of is so wrong on so many levels.

Also, you're confident that you'll outperform most of your future white classmates at spotting issues in fact patterns and writing analytically essays about them. Lets just forget about the fact that, that sounds incredibly bigoted. Your rationale for that is what? the fact that you went 48/51 on LR. Who the hell gives a shit? At these schools - that you feel that you're entitled to get into - most of your "white" classmates will have scored similarly, and in many cases higher.

The LSAT is the EASIEST part of getting into LS. You haven't even taken a single college class, in fact the only college-esq classes you've ever taken... YOU'VE FAILED!

I sincerely hope that OP is a troll, because if you actually exist, your sense of superiority over everyone shines like a frigging beacon, and if its off putting on the internet, i can only imagine how bad it is IRL.

[leavingalabubba]

What the actual fuq? OP: troll or not, seek counseling

[csprizzle38]

great troll thread. Now, on the off chance you're serious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E

Add me on Facebook (even though I'm an "asshole") haha.

Check out this post from senior year about my Stephen Breyer book arriving in the mail:

https://www.facebook.com/tailback04210/ ... 3094319584