3.6 GPA and 167 LSAT - Columbia? Forum

Hikikomorist · Post by **Hikikomorist** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:15 pm

Big Dog wrote:your chances are as close to zero that is statistically possible. Odds are much better that you get struck by lightning. Literally no worth the app fee.

The ONLY lac that might get a small bump is Reed. Sorry, if that is not your lac.

No way Reed is getting more of a boost than Williams/Amherst/Swarthmore/Pomona.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:22 pm

Amherst Reed of House Swathmore is easily a T3 GOT character

There's no bump guys, give it up

(I mean, who the hell knows, maybe there is a small, unquantifiable bump somewhere. But thinking/posting/arguing about it takes everyone's eyes off the real prize- Retake)

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:22 pm

Big Dog wrote:your chances are as close to zero that is statistically possible. Odds are much better that you get struck by lightning. Literally no worth the app fee.

The ONLY lac that might get a small bump is Reed. Sorry, if that is not your lac.

Um, as much as I circle jerk LACs and love Reed, no.

Hikikomorist · Post by **Hikikomorist** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:24 pm

BigZuck wrote:Amherst Reed of House Swathmore is easily a T3 GOT character

There's no bump guys, give it up

(I mean, who the hell knows, maybe there is a small, unquantifiable bump somewhere. But thinking/posting/arguing about it takes everyone's eyes off the real prize- Retake)

I know it's kind of dumb, but it was bothering me that s/he was putting Reed above those other schools.

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:27 pm

why

isn't that one of the flagship SUNYs?

lowschaal · Post by **lowschaal** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:33 pm

No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

pleadthafif · Post by **pleadthafif** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:52 pm

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gnomgnomuch · Post by **gnomgnomuch** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:59 pm

lowschaal wrote:No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

1) Are you ACTUALLY comparing whatever LAC you went to, to the likes of Harvard... C'mon dude, that's bullshit and you know it. If you're at Williams (#1 on USNWR LAC ranking) you still can't compare your prestige level (not saying your academic ability and intelligence) to the schools you mentioned.
2) Nobody gives a fuck. Your 3.6 is going to register as a 3.6 because they report their averages to USNWR which drives rankings. Is that right or wrong? Not for me to say. That's the way the world works, grow up and deal with it.
3) Your numbers are almost guaranteed to be an automatic rejection. Unless you have some insane extenuating circumstances that's what will happen. EVEN WITH those extenuating circumstances you're still facing an incredibly uphill battle.
4) Take this example: I went to State Uni "X" and graduated with a GPA of a 3.8. You went to "apparently amazing LAC" and graduated with a GPA of a 3.6. We had the same major. We have the same LSAT. We're both going K-JD. I have a better shot at acceptance, because my numbers are better. Even if you worked, or had a harder major, or had a combination of the two, I would have a better statistical shot at getting in. Law school is almost entirely a numbers based game. Columbia, because of it's huge class size, is generally more numbers driven than most other universities. BUT, all universities are numbers driven.

...also, to the poster above, why choose Reed o_0? I know it's well regarded, but I'd still think Swarth/Amherst/Wesleyan would all be considered better. Regardless, I don't think ANY LAC would get a boost in admissions.

oil · Post by **oil** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:01 pm

lowschaal wrote:No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

It's not accounted for. You are below median in both GPA and LSAT, and thus will be rejected. You want it be one way, but it's the other way.

If I was to make the entirely erroneous assumption that they'd take the grade deflation into account it would certainly not be worth .2 extra points. Try .1 at a max. Also if your major is something even the slight bit unrigorous good luck with any bump.

So if all that was ignored, 3.8 and 167's are 0 for 7 at Columbia the last cycle. LOL. Retake.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:03 pm

lowschaal wrote:No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

The way you think law school admissions works is not how law school admissions works. You should probably go back and read through this thread if you want a better understanding of how law school admissions works.

oil · Post by **oil** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:03 pm

On the subject of Reed, I know that in certain circles it gets a lot of respect for its grade deflation. It isn't a school the calibre of many of the others listed off, but it is known to be maybe the least grade inflated school left.

Traynor Brah · Post by **Traynor Brah** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:05 pm

OP, have you looked into Brooklyn Law School?

Minnietron · Post by **Minnietron** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:15 pm

lowschaal wrote:No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

JDJohnP21, is that you?!

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:16 pm

pleadthafif wrote:Really enjoyed this thread, keep it going please.

yea watching this kid's increasingly desperate denial as they begin to realize their 3.6 might as well have come from SUNY canton has been the highlight of my afternoon

TheSpanishMain · Post by **TheSpanishMain** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:32 pm

lowschaal wrote: If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

No. I'm not sure why you think asking the same question over and over is going to change the answer.

pancakes3 · Post by **pancakes3** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:27 pm

Ok, instead of piling on, the real advice as it always is - Retake. Even if you don't get into Columbia, you can still make it to a T14 with scholarship and have a good outcome.

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:11 am

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Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:30 pm

On the subject of Reed, I know that in certain circles it gets a lot of respect for its grade deflation.

And for some reason, academics have plenty of respect for Reed.

If grade deflation is really accounted for....

IT.......IS.........NOT.

pleadthafif · Post by **pleadthafif** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:39 pm

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emkay625 · Post by **emkay625** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:05 pm

lowschaal wrote:No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.

1. You are wrong. You are quantitatively wrong. Every single person who is not a minority who has applied in the last several years with your numbers was rejected or waitlisted and then eventually rejected. so I'm not sure what you're basing this on, and you clearly didn't go review the data as I advised you to do. Some of those people went to Harvard/Yale/Princeton and were rejected with numbers better than yours.

2. You are correct in your inclination that higher LSAT score = more scholarship money.

3. How do you surmise that your GPA is equivalent to a 3.8? Did you just randomly pick a number you felt was sufficient? schools do not say, "oh this person had a hard major, let's change her from a 3.2 to a 3.4" or "this person went to MIT, so we'll make his GPA a 4.0 instead of a 3.82." Your 3.6 is a 3.6, and will be treated as such.

Do keep us posted, OP, because I'm very excited to hear how this all shakes out.

pancakes3 · Post by **pancakes3** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:06 pm

emkay625 wrote:
lowschaal wrote:No, I don't think my numbers are an automatic rejection. I might retake the LSAT if it helps with scholarships.

If there is a slight chance they boost for schools like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc, it is likely they will boost for my school too.

If grade deflation is really accounted for and my GPA is equivalent to a 3.8, does that improve my chances significantly? Thanks.
1. You are wrong. You are quantitatively wrong. Every single person who is not a minority who has applied in the last several years with your numbers was rejected or waitlisted and then eventually rejected. so I'm not sure what you're basing this on, and you clearly didn't go review the data as I advised you to do. Some of those people went to Harvard/Yale/Princeton and were rejected with numbers better than yours.

Lol. Bro, what part of preftigious liberal arts education with severe grade deflation did you not understand?

Stardust84 · Post by **Stardust84** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:17 pm

I would give you little to no chance, with both your numbers being under the median. This whole grade deflation is a weak argument. The LSAT was developed in part to minimize such lack of parity in standards between undergraduate institutions, and give law schools a standardized objective criteria to assist the evaluation of students. You are 5 points under the median on your LSAT. Retake if you're actually hoping for Columbia.

SLS_AMG · Post by **SLS_AMG** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:34 pm

I'm not sure why people are getting so flustered with OP. I mean, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Obviously we all know that OP has approximately a 0% chance of getting in, but s/he just isn't having it. So let it be.

If I were OP, I'd be more concerned about getting into any T14 school, because with those numbers, I doubt even Georgetown or Cornell are going to bite. But I'm sure OP knows better than me.

Keilz · Post by **Keilz** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:43 pm

pancakes3 wrote:Never understood why schools like William and Mary pride themselves on grade deflation.

Hear hear...that's where I went! Did you? If not, glad to see that its recognized for it.

Broncos15 · Post by **Broncos15** » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:54 am

This post is somewhat meaningless with all respect to OP, since Columbia Law is the most LSAT driven school out of the CCN group.

Your GPA isn't holding you back from Columbia, your LSAT is