4.0/144 chances Forum

[Harakiri15]

You're probably right, but you are factual as well.

Why don't you consider a career as a poet instead of trying to become a lawyer? I think you could go far!

I doubt it. It's too embarrassing telling someone I do that for a living. Also there would probably would be no money because I would have to run my own business. I'd rather work for a firm than manage on my own until I figure it out.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

Post some poems! TLS GIVES Great feedback in a really positive manner!

[EricHosmer]

You should be able to get into the T14 if you write a compelling diversity statement on overcoming a 144 LSAT.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Stop. There's no need to troll trolls.

To be more specific: I'm not saying you have to buy what a troll says or not challenge them. But on the off-chance that it's a poor misguided soul, don't pretend to be helpful when you don't actually mean to help. (There's no evidence of alting, sad to say.)

[Hand]

(There's no evidence of alting, sad to say.)

[A. Nony Mouse]

(There's no evidence of alting, sad to say.)

Doesn't mean they're real, of course.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

Stop. There's no need to troll trolls.

To be more specific: I'm not saying you have to buy what a troll says or not challenge them. But on the off-chance that it's a poor misguided soul, don't pretend to be helpful when you don't actually mean to help. (There's no evidence of alting, sad to say.)

why is there even a "what are my chances" forum? its just a breeding ground for neurotic premature threads. i mean im sure the mods have discussed how unneccesary 95% of the threads in this forum are

[rdawkins28]

Stop. There's no need to troll trolls.

To be more specific: I'm not saying you have to buy what a troll says or not challenge them. But on the off-chance that it's a poor misguided soul, don't pretend to be helpful when you don't actually mean to help. (There's no evidence of alting, sad to say.)

It doesn't help when you pretty much flat out call OP a troll.

I've met kids who peaked in high school. Great HS gpa. But mediocre SAT/ACT. Became average in college. One was a valedictorian at a Texas 5A school. Was mediocre in college. Could never get a decent score on MCAT. Ended up being a generic office clerk. Then she married my brother who was a filthy rich doctor. So darn, may be she was smart after all

I've met kids who peaked in college. Couldn't make the next big leap. So may be OP is a troll, or may be he's just one of these kids. Or may be he's been sheltered by his parents.

Anyhoo. Based on my PMs with him, he seems real so please if you can't help him, at least don't bully him.

And FWIW, I did tell him to not apply till he gets his LSAT score up. And be honest with himself. Is he capable of getting a higher score? Can he hustle if he needs to hang his own shingle? If not, better think of alternatives.

[Colonel_funkadunk]

It doesn't help when you pretty much flat out call OP a troll.

doesnt help what? continued trolling?

stop w the madness that is your post

[fats provolone]

nony is a known bully (all mods are) with minimal street IQ, just ignore

[03152016]

And FWIW, I did tell him to not apply till he gets his LSAT score up. And be honest with himself. Is he capable of getting a higher score? Can he hustle if he needs to hang his own shingle? If not, better think of alternatives.

"no, i'm not capable of hustling, i lack the requisite drive and determination to rise to the top."
-no one ever

[rdawkins28]

It doesn't help when you pretty much flat out call OP a troll.

doesnt help what? continued trolling?

stop w the madness that is your post

Sorry if you're disturbed by my posts. I have faith that OP is for real so I'm going to try to help him.
I know, what a silly thing to do on TLS where only the brightest can hang out.

[staysha]

You should not take the LSAT in december. You should get a private tutor and try to boost your score so you can get in to a good law school.

People that are making fun of your (second) language skills aren't that funny.

[Rigo]

Only people missing a chromosome are peaking at 144 after studying for several months. The 4.0 shows that this person obviously has all chromosomes. Therefore, troll.

If pigs are flying, OP should take all this "obvious troll" talk as motivation to retake since everyone thinks he's a joke.

[nlee10]

Only people missing a chromosome are peaking at 144 after studying for several months. The 4.0 shows that this person obviously has all chromosomes. Therefore, troll.

If pigs are flying, OP should take all this "obvious troll" talk as motivation to retake since everyone thinks he's a joke.

[staysha]

Only people missing a chromosome are peaking at 144 after studying for several months.

For someone who's english is a second language, I think that's an overstatement.

[Harakiri15]

I'm not trolling. Whether you believe me or don't dosent matter. I'm stuck in a serious rut. I have already explained before my issue could be im thinking too many things at once while solving the questions and time doesn't seem to be on my side. I am a firm believer one can do well in law school without doing well on the LSAT. In highschool I didint try and failed miserably. In college I barley tried and have a 4.0. Again don't believe me. Summer semesters I usually take 17 hours of coursework at times. Undergrad makes sense to me, this doesn't. I am here to look for help. So just believe in me and I will believe in you. I promise. I hope everyone makes true of his or her dreams.

I am going to take a Dec test anyways and apply anyways. Yes private tutoring I will need it. Good idea.

[Wingtip88]

I am a firm believer one can do well in law school without doing well on the LSAT.

You are understanding this whole process in a totally backwards way. It's not just about how "well" you do in law school, it is hugely about the law school you attend and the debt you'll service upon repayment. Some have argued that the LSAT is by itself more important than any single law school exam you'll ever take, and for good reason.

Visit this website: http://www.lawschooltransparency.com

Look into schools that have the number "144" anywhere on their LSAT spread. Do these schools have job prospects and costs of attendance that you are willing to bet your future on?

Good on you for retaking the LSAT, but I would bet that you'd be best off taking a full year to adequately study and prepare for the test, not to mention research the reality of law schools and their graduates' fates upon graduation. And I use "fate" because tens of thousands of law grads in the last several years have had their lives literally ruined by their decision to attend.

[hoos89]

I'm not trolling. Whether you believe me or don't dosent matter. I'm stuck in a serious rut. I have already explained before my issue could be im thinking too many things at once while solving the questions and time doesn't seem to be on my side. I am a firm believer one can do well in law school without doing well on the LSAT. In highschool I didint try and failed miserably. In college I barley tried and have a 4.0. Again don't believe me. Summer semesters I usually take 17 hours of coursework at times. Undergrad makes sense to me, this doesn't. I am here to look for help. So just believe in me and I will believe in you. I promise. I hope everyone makes true of his or her dreams.

I am going to take a Dec test anyways and apply anyways. Yes private tutoring I will need it. Good idea.

1. The odds of doing well in law school without trying are awfully slim. If you can't muster the effort necessary to bring your LSAT score up, how much effort are you honestly going to put forth in law school?
2. Why are you in such a rush? The chances of getting your score up to anywhere near decent in a month is absurdly low. You should sit this cycle out and take as much time as you need to max out your score. And better yet, while you're at it you should think long and hard about why you want to go to law school.
3. Related point: how much good do you think a private tutor will do in a month?
4. What exactly are these dreams of which you speak? I can assure you there are not many dreams you will accomplish by attending law school with a 144 or anything close to it (even with your awesome GPA). Unless of course your dreams involve graduating from a for-profit law school with six figures of debt and no job.

[Wingtip88]

OP - I'll be blunt. I know many lawyers, nearly all of whom have vocalized their regret of having attended law school, with the number one reason being the huge debt they are trying to make progress on (though this is far from the only reason). And the majority of them went to good, but not great schools and presumably scored well above a 144.

Imagine yourself a few years after graduating from a very, very low ranked law school (the kind that would accept a 144) with a huge amount of debt and very poor, if any, job prospects. Do you think you will be a happy individual? This is the real question to ask.

[Harakiri15]

I'm not trolling. Whether you believe me or don't dosent matter. I'm stuck in a serious rut. I have already explained before my issue could be im thinking too many things at once while solving the questions and time doesn't seem to be on my side. I am a firm believer one can do well in law school without doing well on the LSAT. In highschool I didint try and failed miserably. In college I barley tried and have a 4.0. Again don't believe me. Summer semesters I usually take 17 hours of coursework at times. Undergrad makes sense to me, this doesn't. I am here to look for help. So just believe in me and I will believe in you. I promise. I hope everyone makes true of his or her dreams.

I am going to take a Dec test anyways and apply anyways. Yes private tutoring I will need it. Good idea.

1. The odds of doing well in law school without trying are awfully slim. If you can't muster the effort necessary to bring your LSAT score up, how much effort are you honestly going to put forth in law school?
2. Why are you in such a rush? The chances of getting your score up to anywhere near decent in a month is absurdly low. You should sit this cycle out and take as much time as you need to max out your score. And better yet, while you're at it you should think long and hard about why you want to go to law school.
3. Related point: how much good do you think a private tutor will do in a month?
4. What exactly are these dreams of which you speak? I can assure you there are not many dreams you will accomplish by attending law school with a 144 or anything close to it (even with your awesome GPA). Unless of course your dreams involve graduating from a for-profit law school with six figures of debt and no job.

Should I just not even take the lsat. I mean I could still get into SMU. I could potentially make it somewhere not too far from the top. I know chances look slim, but still worth trying, or what should I do?

[Colonel_funkadunk]

If you don't go to law school then I wont go to law school

[Wingtip88]

Should I just not even take the lsat. I mean I could still get into SMU. I could potentially make it somewhere not too far from the top. I know chances look slim, but still worth trying, or what should I do?

You need to chill out and see the bigger picture here. Chill out, take a year and adequately prepare for the LSAT. If you want to be a lawyer, that's fine. Just don't do it with a 144 LSAT.

[MattM]

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... px?sid=139

You will need somewhere between a 150-154 for SMU with your GPA, 37 out of 40 were admitted with those numbers.

a 145-149 has slim chances only 2/11 accpeted

[Rigo]

Obviously one step at a time, but the Bar Exam is a standardized test.