Severely Under-performed on Feb LSAT - 153/3.33 UGPA Forum

[PeanutsNJam]

i would absolutely agree with shutting down TTTT schools, but not nearly as drastic as 2/3.

So you're an elitist too, but the bar just happens to be set really low (at a Third Tier Toilet) because that's where you happen to be.

I mean, if you want to bet $100,000 and 3 years of your life on a 46.8% chance you'll get a lawyer job, where the median salary of those 46.8% is $52,500 (and 75th percentile is $70,000), then go for it lol follow your dreams.

Source: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/akron/sals/2014/

[bmathers]

Thank you for clearly explaining that.

Think about it, would you like a lawyer who was just like "hey man, take a shot! your upside is huge!"?

It depends on what it was about. Perhaps it is a large, inexpensive rental that you are looking to purchase as a fixer upper to make some money, but the numbers do not match, yet you feel like you could do something with it. Sometimes you just need to pull the trigger to rise up. Even though I have been considering law school for 10+ years now, law school is "pulling that trigger" for me. Action is the point where fear ends, action is what is going to produce a result.

Extreme hesitancy and fear of failure drives me nuts, i will say that.

And as your lawyer, my job is to inform you of the myriad risks you're taking on from a legal perspective. If the property is not currently zoned for your intended use or has a particularly troublesome easement or your planned use carries a great chance of other liabilities, it's my job to tell you. It's not my job to advise you as to the wisdom or not of the business opportunity. If I were excited about taking on challenging business opportunities, I'd never have gone to law school. LOL.

Understood (my father is an attorney - we are very alike, but sometimes his hesitancy/pessimism when I lived at home drove me absolutely nuts, lol - so, I moved to a new state without a job lined up and made it work).

It's not that I enjoy challenging and risky opportunities, I just do not always run from them. I've shadowed attorneys for the day before and I do get excited about the law, finding loopholes, and searching past cases and statutes to find relevant information. That being said, if I can get a 160+ on my LSATs, maybe I'll go to a law school for free that first year (COL funded by my network marketing business), and make 100@ sure it aligns with my goals.

[bmathers]

i would absolutely agree with shutting down TTTT schools, but not nearly as drastic as 2/3.

So you're an elitist too, but the bar just happens to be set really low (at a Third Tier Toilet) because that's where you happen to be.

I mean, if you want to bet $100,000 and 3 years of your life on a 46.8% chance you'll get a lawyer job, where the median salary of those 46.8% is $52,500 (and 75th percentile is $70,000), then go for it lol follow your dreams.

Source: http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/akron/sals/2014/

I guess I should make that a little clearer - it's not necessarily that I would shut all TTTT down, rather that amount of schools (vs. 2/3). Some states have too many schools in close proximity

[pancakes3]

i assume people that don't "get" the TLS advice with regard to admissions are per se dumb and are not likely to do well at any law school. you might not agree with it, but you have to still be able to recognize the validity of the argument instead of writing it off as "elitist" or "hivemind."

[Danger Zone]

Thank you for clearly explaining that.

Think about it, would you like a lawyer who was just like "hey man, take a shot! your upside is huge!"?

It depends on what it was about. Perhaps it is a large, inexpensive rental that you are looking to purchase as a fixer upper to make some money, but the numbers do not match, yet you feel like you could do something with it. Sometimes you just need to pull the trigger to rise up. Even though I have been considering law school for 10+ years now, law school is "pulling that trigger" for me. Action is the point where fear ends, action is what is going to produce a result.

Extreme hesitancy and fear of failure drives me nuts, i will say that.

And as your lawyer, my job is to inform you of the myriad risks you're taking on from a legal perspective. If the property is not currently zoned for your intended use or has a particularly troublesome easement or your planned use carries a great chance of other liabilities, it's my job to tell you. It's not my job to advise you as to the wisdom or not of the business opportunity. If I were excited about taking on challenging business opportunities, I'd never have gone to law school. LOL.

This is really dumb in the opposite direction. As an attorney, I absolutely include in my analysis to corporate clients whether I think the deal makes good business sense, in addition to the legal analysis.

[bmathers]

Thank you for clearly explaining that.

Think about it, would you like a lawyer who was just like "hey man, take a shot! your upside is huge!"?

It depends on what it was about. Perhaps it is a large, inexpensive rental that you are looking to purchase as a fixer upper to make some money, but the numbers do not match, yet you feel like you could do something with it. Sometimes you just need to pull the trigger to rise up. Even though I have been considering law school for 10+ years now, law school is "pulling that trigger" for me. Action is the point where fear ends, action is what is going to produce a result.

Extreme hesitancy and fear of failure drives me nuts, i will say that.

And as your lawyer, my job is to inform you of the myriad risks you're taking on from a legal perspective. If the property is not currently zoned for your intended use or has a particularly troublesome easement or your planned use carries a great chance of other liabilities, it's my job to tell you. It's not my job to advise you as to the wisdom or not of the business opportunity. If I were excited about taking on challenging business opportunities, I'd never have gone to law school. LOL.

This is really dumb in the opposite direction. As an attorney, I absolutely include in my analysis to corporate clients whether I think the deal makes good business sense, in addition to the legal analysis.

That's the type of attorney that I envisioned myself being.

[Danger Zone]

Yeah but first you have to get a job. Retake that LSAT homie and don't go to a shit-tier school unless it's for free and you have no dreams of being a big law firm attorney.

[fliptrip]

Thank you for clearly explaining that.

Think about it, would you like a lawyer who was just like "hey man, take a shot! your upside is huge!"?

It depends on what it was about. Perhaps it is a large, inexpensive rental that you are looking to purchase as a fixer upper to make some money, but the numbers do not match, yet you feel like you could do something with it. Sometimes you just need to pull the trigger to rise up. Even though I have been considering law school for 10+ years now, law school is "pulling that trigger" for me. Action is the point where fear ends, action is what is going to produce a result.

Extreme hesitancy and fear of failure drives me nuts, i will say that.

And as your lawyer, my job is to inform you of the myriad risks you're taking on from a legal perspective. If the property is not currently zoned for your intended use or has a particularly troublesome easement or your planned use carries a great chance of other liabilities, it's my job to tell you. It's not my job to advise you as to the wisdom or not of the business opportunity. If I were excited about taking on challenging business opportunities, I'd never have gone to law school. LOL.

This is really dumb in the opposite direction. As an attorney, I absolutely include in my analysis to corporate clients whether I think the deal makes good business sense, in addition to the legal analysis.

What you include in your analysis and what exactly you're being paid for are different things, I'd imagine. But maybe the companies I worked for on the management side were just as dumb as me.

[bmathers]

Yeah but first you have to get a job. Retake that LSAT homie and don't go to a shit-tier school unless it's for free and you have no dreams of being a big law firm attorney.

I have goals of probably going to Villanova or Penn State for free, Richmond, UNC and GSU are in the running as well -- just need to land a better score on the LSAT (I know that they are different regions, and I would probably stay within the region to practice if I go to any of those schools -- unless if I move back to central PA to take over the firm after my father retires, which would not require a regional school).

[Danger Zone]

Thank you for clearly explaining that.

Think about it, would you like a lawyer who was just like "hey man, take a shot! your upside is huge!"?

It depends on what it was about. Perhaps it is a large, inexpensive rental that you are looking to purchase as a fixer upper to make some money, but the numbers do not match, yet you feel like you could do something with it. Sometimes you just need to pull the trigger to rise up. Even though I have been considering law school for 10+ years now, law school is "pulling that trigger" for me. Action is the point where fear ends, action is what is going to produce a result.

Extreme hesitancy and fear of failure drives me nuts, i will say that.

And as your lawyer, my job is to inform you of the myriad risks you're taking on from a legal perspective. If the property is not currently zoned for your intended use or has a particularly troublesome easement or your planned use carries a great chance of other liabilities, it's my job to tell you. It's not my job to advise you as to the wisdom or not of the business opportunity. If I were excited about taking on challenging business opportunities, I'd never have gone to law school. LOL.

This is really dumb in the opposite direction. As an attorney, I absolutely include in my analysis to corporate clients whether I think the deal makes good business sense, in addition to the legal analysis.

What you include in your analysis and what exactly you're being paid for are different things, I'd imagine. But maybe the companies I worked for on the management side were just as dumb as me.

I've never had a client say "this isn't what I pay you for." If anything they're appreciative of the attorney who also understands the business side.

[A. Nony Mouse]

The other thing is that lots of legal jobs don't have anything to do with business ventures.

[bmathers]

I've considered going the JD/MBA dual route before, but my undergrad degree, I'm sure, wouldn't match up with math prereqs (sec edu - SS). A legal career has always been on my radar, and I am at the point (28) that it's time to stop mentioning it in conversation and go for it. If I screw up and end up $30k in debt with no JD, worse things have happened, at least I got off the couch and went for my goals. (Please note, before being attacked, I am NOT advocating going $30k n debt and dropping out).

I've caught air of flack about "anecdotal evidence," and screw it, I'm an anecdotal person and if I see that it CAN be done, that's enough for me to do it. Might as well be an anecdote, right?

[pancakes3]

what are statistics but an aggregation of anecdotes, right?

[bmathers]

.

[bmathers]

what are statistics but an aggregation of anecdotes, right?

Right on. (I almost feel like it's me vs. most of this forum, lol)

[Clearly]

Yeah but first you have to get a job. Retake that LSAT homie and don't go to a shit-tier school unless it's for free and you have no dreams of being a big law firm attorney.

I have goals of probably going to Villanova or Penn State for free, Richmond, UNC and GSU are in the running as well -- just need to land a better score on the LSAT (I know that they are different regions, and I would probably stay within the region to practice if I go to any of those schools -- unless if I move back to central PA to take over the firm after my father retires, which would not require a regional school).

I'm sleepy and in a foreign land, someone explain ties to him tho..

[PeanutsNJam]

what are statistics but an aggregation of anecdotes, right?

Right on. (I almost feel like it's me vs. most of this forum, lol)

He's not on your side. He's responding to your reliance on anecdotes with "statistics are an aggregation of anecdotes," or in other words, statistics = anecdotes. And the statistics for those schools are not good.

He phrased his post as a rhetorical question that seems to support your position for the lols.

[bmathers]

what are statistics but an aggregation of anecdotes, right?

Right on. (I almost feel like it's me vs. most of this forum, lol)

He's not on your side. He's responding to your reliance on anecdotes with "statistics are an aggregation of anecdotes," or in other words, statistics = anecdotes.

I don't need everything explained to me, but thank you for your time. I took it as a light-hearted joke - not a serious comment that I seriously though was meant to show that he is behind me.

[bmathers]

I realize that a lot of people on this forum are in their early-20s and living in academia, so their views are a bit far from reality. I also realize that I have many attorney friends and have grown up my entire life around lawyers and judges. That all being said - if some of the "superiority-complex" attitudes that I have seen around here are prevalent and indicative to the general law school population these days, I want nothing what-so-ever to do with it. The last thing I need is talked down to and everything explained to me like a child.

[pancakes3]

all things being equal, i'd rather be talked down to by someone with a high LSAT than someone with a low LSAT

[bmathers]

all things being equal, i'd rather be talked down to by someone with a high LSAT than someone with a low LSAT

All things being equal, both are smug arrogance. The LSAT is not necessarily indicative of future success in law school. I'll hold the anecdotal examples.

[Danger Zone]

I don't know where you get the impression that most posters are early twenties and clueless, but there are a lot of actual attorneys in this thread giving you advice.

[bmathers]

I don't know where you get the impression that most posters are early twenties and clueless, but there are a lot of actual attorneys in this thread giving you advice.

In this thread, I absolutely agree. Sorry, I guess those choice words were brewing from other threads - not necessarily this one, just the attitude by the 1L student a few posts ago brought it out.

[bmathers]

By the way, would you rec applying to Drexel and Duquesne (regional schools for my interest of maybe practicing in PA), or holding off till next cycle, since I am likely going to hold out one more year (LSATs)? Is Drexel respected in the PA market?

Ideally, I would like to score in the 160s and go to Villanova on a scholarship.

[Danger Zone]

By the way, would you rec applying to Drexel and Duquesne (regional schools for my interest of maybe practicing in PA), or holding off till next cycle, since I am likely going to hold out one more year (LSATs)? Is Drexel respected in the PA market?

Ideally, I would like to score in the 160s and go to Villanova on a scholarship.

No. I'm very familiar with these schools and Drexel is absolute bottom of the barrel, right there with Widener.