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[03152016]

after all the feedback you've gotten, if the message you heard was T14 or full-ride, you're a lost cause

[Kratos]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

More like every law student has made a mistake by wanting to become a lawyer.

[adbm29]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

quote the person who gave you that advice

That just seems to be the sentiment all over this website. It's fine if people feel that's the case but, it just seems a little odd to me. Of course going to a non T14 school makes LS a riskier proposition but plenty of people leave these schools and become successful. It just means that you have to work your ass off to be near the top of your class.

[Kratos]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

quote the person who gave you that advice

That just seems to be the sentiment all over this website. It's fine if people feel that's the case but, it just seems a little odd to me. Of course going to a non T14 school makes LS a riskier proposition but plenty of people leave these schools and become successful. It just means that you have to work your ass off to be near the top of your class.

Hard work =/= top of the class. Lotta luck involved. Also good grades =/= good job from a lot of non-T14 schools.

[adbm29]

@Brut

Regardless of whether this is a good or bad decision. Do you think UW is a realistic for me to get into?

[alexrodriguez]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

It's about good jobs and money. People just want to make sure you end up alright.

[adbm29]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

It's about good jobs and money. People just want to make sure you end up alright.

I completely understand that most people are just trying to help and i appreciate that. Given that, do you agree?

[03152016]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

quote the person who gave you that advice

That just seems to be the sentiment all over this website. It's fine if people feel that's the case but, it just seems a little odd to me. Of course going to a non T14 school makes LS a riskier proposition but plenty of people leave these schools and become successful. It just means that you have to work your ass off to be near the top of your class.

i don't believe your story
i'm on here a lot, and have never seen "T14 or full ride" as being the consensus view in a thread (assuming we're not talking ancient ones)
few people take that idiotic position because it can lead to absurd conclusions, like that gulc is somehow worth sticker but you'd need a full ride to justify ut
if anyone has said that in an active thread, it was certainly not the "sentiment all over this website", it was a minority view

people exaggerate the advice others give on tls to justify not listening to them
so i'm not going to let this one slide

[chuckbass]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

I mean I go to WUSTL and I'm not on a full ride so no that's not what I'm saying. I just don't think your numbers provide you with good options.

[adbm29]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

quote the person who gave you that advice

That just seems to be the sentiment all over this website. It's fine if people feel that's the case but, it just seems a little odd to me. Of course going to a non T14 school makes LS a riskier proposition but plenty of people leave these schools and become successful. It just means that you have to work your ass off to be near the top of your class.

i don't believe your story
i'm on here a lot, and have never seen "T14 or full ride" as being the consensus view in a thread (assuming we're not talking ancient ones)
few people take that idiotic position because it can lead to absurd conclusions, like that gulc is somehow worth sticker but you'd need a full ride to justify ut
if anyone has said that in an active thread, it was certainly not the "sentiment all over this website", it was a minority view

people exaggerate the advice others give on tls to justify not listening to them
so i'm not going to let this one slide

Got it. So given my situation and the fact that i am going to be applying for Fall 2015 with the numbers i'm currently sitting on, (regardless of whether you think it's a mistake or not) which schools do you think i should be targeting?

[03152016]

i don't have a problem with assisted suicide but i'm not going to be the one to push the plunger

[chuckbass]

You can easily look at medians and decide for yourself where to apply, I don't understand why you need help.

[Wingtip88]

Why do you want to be a lawyer? What kind of lawyer job do you think you want?

[TheSpanishMain]

Got it. So given my situation and the fact that i am going to be applying for Fall 2015 with the numbers i'm currently sitting on, (regardless of whether you think it's a mistake or not) which schools do you think i should be targeting?

You're free to make a bad decision if you're bound and determined not to listen to good advice, but don't expect people to cosign on it. The only defensible thing to do in your position is retake. If you won't do that, well, best of luck.

[adbm29]

You can easily look at medians and decide for yourself where to apply, I don't understand why you need help.

Just didn't know if there were any West Coast schools within my range that people thought would provide me decent opportunity. Seems like that answer is no.

[chuckbass]

You can easily look at medians and decide for yourself where to apply, I don't understand why you need help.

Just didn't know if there were any West Coast schools within my range that people thought would provide me decent opportunity. Seems like that answer is no.

I mean once you get below USC/UCLA employment drops significantly, and you're not getting into either of those. You clearly disagree with the advice you've been given from everyone so just look at what schools interest you and apply.

[pmacob]

Got it. So given my situation and the fact that i am going to be applying for Fall 2015 with the numbers i'm currently sitting on, (regardless of whether you think it's a mistake or not) which schools do you think i should be targeting?

Look, if you don't retake then you are making a huge mistake. Yes, the LSAT sucks, as does studying for it, but a 5-6 point increase, not incredibly hard to achieve if you put the work in, makes you a viable option at some decent schools.

If you are absolutely dead set on being in Washington or California, as you indicated, apply to UW, USC, UC Davis, and Pepperdine. Since your family is apparently paying for it, why not live in Malibu?

In all seriousness, retake, hit a 170+, then apply to UW, USC, UCLA, and UC Davis. I wouldn't consider schools below that (personally, I wouldn't consider UC Davis, either). Looking at the data for all four of those, for people with GPAs as low of yours a 170 would make USC and UW very possible, and UCLA has accepted kids with around those numbers the past two years. UC Davis would be a good safety net, and it is in your realm of possibility with your numbers currently.

[alexrodriguez]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and not getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

It's about good jobs and money. People just want to make sure you end up alright.

I completely understand that most people are just trying to help and i appreciate that. Given that, do you agree?

I don't agree with that at all, but I joined the military specifically for the GI bill and I knew that it was going to be of significant help. I did this even knowing that my parents were going to be of significant help as well. Just because your parents are willing to help doesn't mean you should make dumb decisions.

UW doesn't seem like a bad option if its in-state tuition. I'd pretty much go for free if I lived there.

[alexrodriguez]

You have to retake though. I'm taking for my third time in December. No excuses on not retaking.

[chuckbass]

You have to retake though. I'm taking for my third time in December. No excuses on not retaking.

Ok you're no longer a potato.

[Kratos]

You can easily look at medians and decide for yourself where to apply, I don't understand why you need help.

Just didn't know if there were any West Coast schools within my range that people thought would provide me decent opportunity. Seems like that answer is no.

Great info ab your chances here

[hoos89]

Ok. So every law school student not attending a T14 school and or getting a full ride scholarship is making a huge mistake?

No there are lots of factors that can affect this. One of the key considerations is what your alternative to law school is. Yours is pretty good.

[Kimikho]

thanks for all of the responses here.

a few things

1) The debt is not a major concern for me. I come from a pretty well-off family that will assist with the payments.

2) I understand employment figures at some of these schools in my range are 50-65% but isn't that just for grads a year or two out of school?

3) Any opinions on UW?

I know a 3.2/161 UW UG who got rejected from UW. They like high GPAs and don't give out any money.