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[03152016]

i provided the half ride scholly split you idiot
that's the most relevant piece of info itt

so what's next on the docket
proudly proclaiming your victory?
ignoring the bulk of my argument?
cherry picking?
anecdotal evidence?

i can't wait to see what your steel trap mind concocts next

It's actually 23/77 due to rounding, but that's cherry picking, so I wouldn't want to fall into that trap lol. Considering about 80 transfers though (between 2L and 3L classes), and that none of those transfers would receive a half ride, it is actually 28% of the incoming class receiving a half ride or more. Also, 2/3 of the class received scholarships, and the median scholarship amount was $14k a year. $14k is now more than a half ride for residents, and very slightly less than a half ride for non-residents, so if that holds, it is more like 1/3 of the incoming class has half rides. Regardless, you're making assumptions on how UA gives scholarship money, and you aren't backing up those assumptions with any facts.

Also, I love how you think insulting people on a forum lends credence to your statements. Ad hominem attacks only weaken your arguments.

Anyway, I agree that TCR is to retake, but I'm not sure how likely OP is to improve given that he already sat out a cycle and has taken the LSAT 3 times. If he thinks there is still room for improvement, then retaking is definitely the best choice.

i smell a straw man a comin'

called it

it's great how you are still trying to convince people that i haven't posted any facts
despite all the numbers i've posted itt so far
it's just great

it's also great how we're pretending that 2/3 of the student body getting grants means 2/3 of the incoming class gets grants
(for anyone who doesn't know, at least 10% of the rising 1L class gets an automatic grant)
and that 14k is "very slightly less than half" of 39k (great)

and then the great thing is, we base a conclusion about what percentage of the class gets a half ride based on that phony figure
which is great, bc it's contrary to the actual listed numbers in the 509
even if i subtracted out transfers

you're great brezz

[03152016]

you're just great

[brezz]

i provided the half ride scholly split you idiot
that's the most relevant piece of info itt

so what's next on the docket
proudly proclaiming your victory?
ignoring the bulk of my argument?
cherry picking?
anecdotal evidence?

i can't wait to see what your steel trap mind concocts next

It's actually 23/77 due to rounding, but that's cherry picking, so I wouldn't want to fall into that trap lol. Considering about 80 transfers though (between 2L and 3L classes), and that none of those transfers would receive a half ride, it is actually 28% of the incoming class receiving a half ride or more. Also, 2/3 of the class received scholarships, and the median scholarship amount was $14k a year. $14k is now more than a half ride for residents, and very slightly less than a half ride for non-residents, so if that holds, it is more like 1/3 of the incoming class has half rides. Regardless, you're making assumptions on how UA gives scholarship money, and you aren't backing up those assumptions with any facts.

Also, I love how you think insulting people on a forum lends credence to your statements. Ad hominem attacks only weaken your arguments.

Anyway, I agree that TCR is to retake, but I'm not sure how likely OP is to improve given that he already sat out a cycle and has taken the LSAT 3 times. If he thinks there is still room for improvement, then retaking is definitely the best choice.

i smell a straw man a comin'

called it

it's great how you are still trying to convince people that i haven't posted any facts
despite all the numbers i've posted itt so far
it's just great

it's also great how we're pretending that 2/3 of the student body getting grants means 2/3 of the incoming class gets grants
and that 14k is "very slightly less than half" of 39k (great)

and then the great thing is, we base a conclusion about what percentage of the class gets a half ride based on those phony numbers
which is great, bc it's contrary to the actual listed numbers in the 509
even if i subtracted out transfers

you're great brezz

None of what I said is contrary to the 509, and I just explained my disagreement with your statistic. It's also great how you're relying on 509 data to try to refute my argument, and then attempting to say it isn't an accurate measure of incoming students receiving grants when it doesn't lend support to your argument. Do the math. What I said in my post was correct based on 509 data. Also, non-resident tuition is 29k not 39k, and 14k is very slightly less ($500) than half of 29k, as I stated.

[Hand]

this thread has turned into the weirdest/dumbest dick measuring contest I've ever seen

wondering if we're gonna see the OP back itt

[03152016]

it's great how you're trying to use scholarship information from a year with much higher tuition
and cost of attendance from a year with much lower tuition
you are just proving how great you really are

[bl1nds1ght]

this thread has turned into the weirdest/dumbest dick measuring contest I've ever seen

wondering if we're gonna see the OP back itt

Probably not, lol.

[03152016]

i just think it's great that brezz thought he would get away with that
that's some straight up dean pless shit

[brezz]

i just think it's great that brezz thought he would get away with that
that's some straight up dean pless shit

lmao. Coming from the guy who quoted a 22/78 split and applied this to OP's chances of getting a half tuition scholarship, and then turned around and discredited the same data multiple times when it was used against him. I'm not really sure you have any room to talk. Scholarship money might significantly decrease this coming year, but it didn't this past year based on LSN data, and UA had reduced its tuition going into this past year's cycle. Really, the point of all of this is that everything we are saying is pure conjecture, and neither of us really know what scholarship money OP will receive.

I'll let this topic get back on track since I think Brut and I have monopolized it enough with our petty argument. If you want any additional information on UA, OP, I'd be happy to share it with you via PM.

[03152016]

i just think it's great that brezz thought he would get away with that
that's some straight up dean pless shit

lmao. Coming from the guy who quoted a 22/78 split and applied this to OP's chances of getting a half tuition scholarship, and then turned around and discredited the same data multiple times when it was used against him.

it's great how you actually believe any of this happened

it's also great that you're appealing to lsn data when a page ago you said there wasn't data
plus, when you do a search on lsn for 120-180 1.0-4.0, exactly five people applied 2013-2014 cycle


but the greatest part? you are refusing to address the fact you got caught fudging the numbers
you took scholarship information from a year with high tuition, then applied it to the costs from a year with low tuition
it's amazing, truly amazing, that you can't just admit you were trying to get one over on us and got sniffed out

[McAvoy]

Don't feel obligated to stop. I'd like to see where this goes.

[checkers]

[brezz]

i just think it's great that brezz thought he would get away with that
that's some straight up dean pless shit

lmao. Coming from the guy who quoted a 22/78 split and applied this to OP's chances of getting a half tuition scholarship, and then turned around and discredited the same data multiple times when it was used against him.

it's great how you actually believe any of this happened

it's also great that you're appealing to lsn data when a page ago you said there wasn't data
plus, when you do a search on lsn for 120-180 1.0-4.0, exactly five people applied 2013-2014 cycle


but the greatest part? you are refusing to address the fact you got caught fudging the numbers
you took scholarship information from a year with high tuition, then applied it to the costs from a year with low tuition
it's amazing, truly amazing, that you can't just admit you were trying to get one over on us and got sniffed out

In honor of McAvoy and checkers enjoying our debate, I'll humor you and give you another response. I apologize to the OP for further derailing this topic, but I felt the need to respond since Brut insists on trying to assassinate my character.

I wasn't in any way, shape, or form fudging numbers. Considering I was the one who provided the tuition information in the first place (since you had provided no useful information in the thread prior to my post), I was clearly indicating that if UA continues to provide scholarships at this rate, this will be the result. Reread what I said with bolded text for the reading impaired:

$14k is now more than a half ride for residents, and very slightly less than a half ride for non-residents, so if that holds, it is more like 1/3 of the incoming class has half rides.

I was clearly very careful about properly qualifying my statements. You, on the other hand, have not been:

ua is an objectively awful decision at anything less than a half ride, and -.57 gpa isn't putting op on the right side of the 78/22 split

i provided the half ride scholly split you idiot
that's the most relevant piece of info it

it's also great how we're pretending that 2/3 of the student body getting grants means 2/3 of the incoming class gets grants
(for anyone who doesn't know, at least 10% of the rising 1L class gets an automatic grant)

For those who didn't know, the automatic grant is only for those in the top 10% of the class who did not have a scholarship of at least $10k a year for their first year, and it is only a $10,000 a year scholarship. Unless you're assuming you have no chance of ending up in the top 10% of the class if you receive a scholarship, then it isn't an additional 10% of the class. It definitely isn't "at least 10% of the rising 1L class," as you tried to frame it aka "fudging numbers." Even if you assumed that LSAT/GPA do not correlate with law school rank at all, there would be approximately 4% of the class on average receiving these scholarships since, at the very least, 56% of the student body had scholarships prior to this, and statistically it wouldn't make any sense to assume that only those without scholarships ended up in the top 10% (because if roughly 56% of students had scholarships coming in, then if there is no correlation between scholarships and law school rank, 5.6% of the top 10% would be composed of those with scholarships). Besides, since I was only working with numbers of $14k+ in the first place and this is a $10k a year scholarship at most, you're blatantly wrong and fudging numbers to try to paint me as the one fudging numbers.

Finally, you're outright lying to try to prove your point:

it's also great that you're appealing to lsn data when a page ago you said there wasn't data
plus, when you do a search on lsn for 120-180 1.0-4.0, exactly five people applied 2013-2014 cycle

http://arizona.lawschoolnumbers.com/applicants/1314

Strong searching skills though, bro.

Dick measuring contest: brezz - 1, Brut - 0.

I'm done. Enjoy the additional attempts to assassinate my character that will you surely make.

[McAvoy]

Dick measuring contest: brezz - 1

Lay off brut. 1"? He needs this.

[Rigo]

Dick measuring contest: brezz - 1

Lay off brut. 1"? He needs this.

[brezz]

Dick measuring contest: brezz - 1

Lay off brut. 1"? He needs this.

Hahaha I knew someone was going to say something like this.

[03152016]

steps in brezz (a/k/a umich sticker superstar) v. reality

1. give useless advice based on a worthless anecdote

2. get rightly called out on it

3. violent/impotent mauling of numerous straw men in the vain hopes that the audience has the intelligence of an eight year old and can't plainly see the subterfuge

4. get rightly called out on it

5. try to save rapidly sinking argument by stitching together statistics from different years to create a ua shill retard frankenstein and hope no one notices

6. get rightly called out on it

7. I WIN THE ARGUMENT ALSO I'M LEAVING NOW AND CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA, ALSO I BET YOU'RE GOING TO REPLY TEE HEE I TROLL U

did i mention how great you are, brezz?

[McAvoy]

3. violent/impotent mauling of numerous straw men in the vain hopes that the audience has the intelligence of an eight year old and can't plainly see the subterfuge

tbf this strategy works really well on the majority of college-educated adults

[MassiveSplit]

*facepalm*

[McAvoy]

*facepalm*

TLDR: brezz is an idiot, brut doesn't have a penis, don't go to law school -- maybe

[Attax]

[A. Nony Mouse]

People, please stop this argument. It's not helping OP and it's ridiculously overblown.

[jcdetroit]

Bump.

[Rigo]

Bump.

Why would you bump something that was one of the first four threads in the forum?

[A. Nony Mouse]

Bump.

Why would you bump something that was one of the first four threads in the forum?

And when you're not the OP. Don't bump to get that dumb argument going again.