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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:01 pm

Honestly, maybe I really should reconsider the idea of law school.

Here's what I'm thinking right now.
ED to Michigan (why not? they admit Hispanics with my numbers every year and it's supposed to be a down cycle and their LRAP protects you from ruining your life), apply to DNC on Day 1, apply to any decent regional who sends me a fee waiver e-mail, apply to Seton Hall again, retake the LSAT in September, see what happens.

What really worries me about law school isn't the material, but, it's whether or not my psyche can handle it. I mean I know I tanked a few weeks ago but that was psychological. I had a mental meltdown I just deluded myself into thinking things were normal. That "daze" I was in shouldn't happen to someone retaking a 3rd time.

Maybe I really am better off taking the GRE and getting a master's degree in a field that interests me.... I dunno... :roll:

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:22 pm

Michigan C&F Question:

Have you ever been convicted of a crime (following a jury or bench trial, a guilty plea, or a nolo contendere plea), or charged with a criminal offense that was later dismissed as a result of a plea bargain or alternative sentencing arrangement, or are such criminal charges pending or expected to be brought against you? Include misdemeanors and criminal infractions, as well as any interaction with a law enforcement agency that resulted in payment of a fine or order of community service. Do not include minor traffic violations or civil infractions or citations for which jail time was not a potential penalty.


What exactly does "alternative sentencing arrangement" mean? :?

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DaRascal wrote:Michigan C&F Question:

Have you ever been convicted of a crime (following a jury or bench trial, a guilty plea, or a nolo contendere plea), or charged with a criminal offense that was later dismissed as a result of a plea bargain or alternative sentencing arrangement, or are such criminal charges pending or expected to be brought against you? Include misdemeanors and criminal infractions, as well as any interaction with a law enforcement agency that resulted in payment of a fine or order of community service. Do not include minor traffic violations or civil infractions or citations for which jail time was not a potential penalty.


What exactly does "alternative sentencing arrangement" mean? :?
Probably one of those things where if you complete a particular program, the offense is dismissed - diversionary program or suspended sentence or the like. HOWEVER, safest thing to do is call the school and ask.

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:48 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote: Probably one of those things where if you complete a particular program, the offense is dismissed - diversionary program or suspended sentence or the like. HOWEVER, safest thing to do is call the school and ask.
Good idea, Nony. Looks like I might not have to disclose for some schools after all

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by BigZuck » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:33 pm

Can't believe we are doing this again

Tag, I guess

Rascal- dude, seriously, forget about law school for at least 5 years. Don't even think about it. Get a job. Acquire maturity. If you still want to go after that, then go.

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:46 pm

Hey, Zuck, why forget about law school? This is a great time to be applying. Apps are down, non-URMs with 166/7s are getting into the lower T14, Latino URMs with 158-61 are getting into NU, great non-T14 schools are throwing money at splitters that they didn't shell out in past cycles.

I mean I need to do my best to either get into a T14 or get a full ride (doubtful because of my GPA) at a respectable non-T14. I'm definitely ready to retake in September. That June score is such an outlier relative to my past scores that I know it was largely due to psychological factors. That's my fault, but, I still feel more comfortable with the test than ever before. It's all about having a healthy, clear head for me.

More concerning to me than raising my LSAT score is that my mental states tend to fluctuate. I mean I consider myself normal but, it's like TheSpanishMain once said: There is a definite pattern of radical behavior on my part. I fear that this could be extremely detrimental to my performance in the professional world if my behavior fluctuates like it tends to in real life. That's something that's making me afraid that I could tank at any professional school. Is it a case of acquiring maturity? Maybe I just need some meds haha. :P

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Post by cron1834 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:13 am

Something to even you out would not be the worst idea in the world, for sure.

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Post by TheSpanishMain » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:29 am

DaRascal wrote: Is it a case of acquiring maturity? Maybe I just need some meds haha. :P
I was being a little tongue in cheek when I said you're certifiable, but you do fluctuate wildly between complete despair and unrealistic optimism. ("I'm ruined!" vs. "I'm going to get a 175 and then I'm going to NYU! Whoo!") You also have a really irritating habit of blaming outside forces for your screw ups. Whether you need some meds or just to grow up a little bit I can't say, but I do think it's a bad time for you to enter law school.

Take a few years off, mature, get some real work experience (why not go be a paralegal? You can make some money and make sure you actually want to be a lawyer) and get some distance from your C&F issue.

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:02 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:get some real work experience (why not go be a paralegal? You can make some money and make sure you actually want to be a lawyer)
I applied to plenty of paralegal and paralegal assistant jobs over the past year. I've applied to a ton of "credible" jobs (I must have shelled out over 500 job applications in the past year). I don't think my current job is bad, but, like you said a few months ago, a school like NU wouldn't be at all impressed. The reality is that while I did graduate from a Top 25 school, my degree is in English and I was a median student at my undergrad (if those grades even matter).

At this point, I'm wishing I had majored in sociology or philosophy in college. Those are academic disciplines that I am genuinely interested in and maybe I would have liked them enough to pursue a master's degree in those fields. I always liked English but I majored in it because it was my best subject in high school. College was a time for me to explore different interests, get to know a ton of different people from different backgrounds, and take advantage of all the extra curricular/internship opportunities available to me and I failed to do a lot of that. I remain unconvinced that I'll enjoy law, but, I'm almost being forced in at this point as I passed up on the opportunities I had in undergrad to find my true academic passion and none of the "trades" you suggested appeal to me.

Like I said, I'm absolutely going to law school fourteen months from now. There's no point in me applying to any non-T14 other than Seton Hall because SH is going to have comparable job prospects to any non-T14 that gives me a huge scholarship right now except that my COA could be $0 because I could commute.

I'll ED Michigan, apply to Duke, Northwestern, and Cornell and then I'll apply to Seton Hall right after that September LSAT comes back. There's really no point applying to any other schools unless I do something unlikely on that 4th retake.

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by BigZuck » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:09 pm

Rascal- Would you hire you to be your lawyer? Be honest.

The poker stuff, the stalking stuff, the bipolar stuff...you gotta pull yourself together brother. This isn't good. And law school isn't some magic fix.

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Post by 03152016 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:14 pm

DaRascal wrote:I'll ED Michigan, apply to Duke, Northwestern, and Cornell and then I'll apply to Seton Hall right after that September LSAT comes back. There's really no point applying to any other schools unless I do something unlikely on that 4th retake.
okay rascal

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:16 pm

BigZuck wrote:Rascal- Would you hire you to be your lawyer? Be honest.

Absolutely not. I'm a mess right now haha.

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:27 pm

The good thing about law school is that it'll give me a clean slate and a new lease on life, especially if I go for free. The gambling losses, the girl overreacting and getting me in trouble, the pain of working retail jobs I could have gotten without going to college... it'll all go away! :P

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:35 pm

The bad thing about going to law school is that I might simply not have an aptitude for it and I won't know if I have a genuine interest in it until I go. I took two commercial law classes in the business school at my undergrad (Top 5 UG business school lol) and I thought they were the most uninteresting classes I ever took even though my professor in those classes was the most personable instructor I ever had (and she actually went to a T1 law school and practiced law for many years).

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

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DaRascal wrote:The good thing about law school is that it'll give me a clean slate and a new lease on life, especially if I go for free. The gambling losses, the girl overreacting and getting me in trouble, the pain of working retail jobs I could have gotten without going to college... it'll all go away! :P
Stuff like this is so inane it really makes me think you're trolling.

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Post by DaRascal » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:06 am

TheSpanishMain wrote:
DaRascal wrote:The good thing about law school is that it'll give me a clean slate and a new lease on life, especially if I go for free. The gambling losses, the girl overreacting and getting me in trouble, the pain of working retail jobs I could have gotten without going to college... it'll all go away! :P
Stuff like this is so inane it really makes me think you're trolling.
Haha I was being serious. It's awful right now, man. I mean I'm happy but, it hurts to know that those things happened to me in the past two years and that, even though I've got a job, I'm not working towards a career right now.

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Post by thequigley » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:16 am

DaRascal wrote:What C&F stuff? The charge was dismissed as she didn't even show up to court. I could easily get the order expunged (because of certain circumstances that changed) if I wanted to but I won't do that for the time being. And I can explain what happened in one sentence on my C&F addendum.

Honestly, the way I see it is I'm confident I can bump my highest score up a few points in September, I know this June score was a fluke so I'm not worried. I had a really bad day. I'm confused though- Why do I have to get an even higher score now? Am I really going to get blackballed because of all the takes and a clean criminal record?

Your criminal record isn't clean. My friend was in the same situation. He had to disclose same information. It was all dropped. He barely cracked the T2 with better stats and one LSAT. Yes, dude, you're not "clean."

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by Ramius » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:19 am

Stop saying stuff happened to you. Take control and responsibility for your life and figure out how to get rid of the crazy stuff you've done and continue to do. If that means meds, so be it.

As for law school being a "clean slate," just lol. This isn't like the pearly gates where all your past sins are forgiven and your life is paved with gold. This is just a single thing in a laundry list of things you don't seem to get about law. It's not some mystical fix for your dead end life. It's a professional school that may or may not get you a job you may or may not like. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Post by TheSpanishMain » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:28 am

DaRascal wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:
DaRascal wrote:The good thing about law school is that it'll give me a clean slate and a new lease on life, especially if I go for free. The gambling losses, the girl overreacting and getting me in trouble, the pain of working retail jobs I could have gotten without going to college... it'll all go away! :P
Stuff like this is so inane it really makes me think you're trolling.
Haha I was being serious. It's awful right now, man. I mean I'm happy but, it hurts to know that those things happened to me in the past two years and that, even though I've got a job, I'm not working towards a career right now.
I understand that, but law school is not a magic fix, especially when you have mediocre numbers, C&F issues, and you're not even sure you want to be a lawyer so much as you can't think of a better idea (even though people have given you many.)

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Post by NYSprague » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:55 am

I now understand this guy.

He wants law despite being repeatedly told it is a terrible plan because he imagines that it will magically fix his life.

I wonder how many people stubbornly stick to law school for the same reason.

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NYSprague wrote:I now understand this guy.
I'm in a baaaaad spot. I need to retake and then my options will only be lower T14 at sticker price vs. full ride at Seton Hall. If I get into a T14 I can already admit that I won't belong. I'll try my hardest and believe that I'm just as capable as anyone else but... those two commercial law classes I took in college? I got B's in them when the class was curved in such a way that most of the class got A's and the books we used in the class were law school books not to mention she is a practicing lawyer with 20 years of experience in Virginia. So I'm either forced to take out $200k+ in loans for a much better chance of being a successful lawyer or go to a school for free where at least half of the class ends up no better than they were if they had not spent 3 years in law school. I can't keep working $9/hour retail jobs for the rest of my life so I have to make a choice. It's not as easy for me as it is for you guys. :?

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Re: How much does bombing an LSAT retake hurt?

Post by DaRascal » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:30 pm

matthewsean85 wrote:Stop saying stuff happened to you.

It did... :roll:

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Post by DaRascal » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:41 pm

thequigley wrote: Your criminal record isn't clean.

Yes it is. Plenty of innocent men were wrongfully charged with misdemeanors and disorderly persons offenses only to later have them dismissed when the truth surfaced.

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Post by TheSpanishMain » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:42 pm

DaRascal wrote:
matthewsean85 wrote:Stop saying stuff happened to you.

It did... :roll:
I'm seriously considering whether you have some kind of disorder or are just really stupid. Do you think you're just like a passive observer of your own life? Do you walk around just constantly confused about why things are happening?
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It's not as easy for me as it is for you guys. :?
Sorry, in what ways are you uniquely disadvantaged? How has everyone else had it so much easier than you? This is pathetic.

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Post by DaRascal » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:11 pm

Well yeah it is pretty confusing to me. There are a lot of things that have happened to me that make no sense at all sadly.

I'm definitely disadvantaged. First in my family to go to college, come from a low-income household, I'm a minority, I wasn't born with a mind for the hard sciences or math, I went to college at a time when I was too young to know what I really wanted, a girl recently tried to ruin my whole life because I called her a few times, the job situation, the law school situation, etc etc etc.

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