scholarship money in CA? Forum

[TheSpanishMain]

Well I didn't think I would get all this career advice and demands to take the lsat again when the only simple question I asked was, this is my score and gpa, what scholarship options do I have? The problem with some of these threads is everyone wants to give life advice or answers to questions not even asked, and it frustrates and alienates a lot of people who visit these forums. I've been quietly watching for a long time and this isn't a new problem.

And I'm not independently wealthy, but my family is comfortable.

Because for most people, retake is the best advice. If you won't do that, then no one can make you, but people say it so often because it's so often the right thing to do. It would be irresponsible to encourage you to screw yourself by going to a crappy school just because it wasn't in the parameters of your question.

[tangelo]

Well I didn't think I would get all this career advice and demands to take the lsat again when the only simple question I asked was, this is my score and gpa, what scholarship options do I have? The problem with some of these threads is everyone wants to give life advice or answers to questions not even asked, and it frustrates and alienates a lot of people who visit these forums. I've been quietly watching for a long time and this isn't a new problem.

And I'm not independently wealthy, but my family is comfortable.

Because for most people, retake is the best advice. If you won't do that, then no one can make you, but people say it so often because it's so often the right thing to do. It would be irresponsible to encourage you to screw yourself by going to a crappy school just because it wasn't in the parameters of your question.

I have a good feeling you're a pain in the ass in the courtroom, lol.

[jkwo07]

Fortunately for you, there are lots of schools in Southern California that have terrible LSAT and GPA medians and would love to bring you on board with either a full ride or something close to it. School just care about those two numbers, so look for ones where you're above both medians.

Perfect, thanks for the advice I asked for.

Just for the sake of what you're asking, Santa Clara is the highest ranked school in california that is an "admit" at lawschoolpredictor.com. The highest two "Strong considers" are Loyola Marimont and San Diego. You're above both 75ths at Santa Clara, and medians at the other two, for both LSAT and GPA.

[tangelo]

Fortunately for you, there are lots of schools in Southern California that have terrible LSAT and GPA medians and would love to bring you on board with either a full ride or something close to it. School just care about those two numbers, so look for ones where you're above both medians.

Perfect, thanks for the advice I asked for.

Just for the sake of what you're asking, Santa Clara is the highest ranked school in california that is an "admit" at lawschoolpredictor.com. The highest two "Strong considers" are Loyola Marimont and San Diego. You're above both 75ths at Santa Clara, and medians at the other two, for both LSAT and GPA.

Perfect, thanks so much for your help. I'll go check those one's out a little more.

[jkwo07]

Well I didn't think I would get all this career advice and demands to take the lsat again when the only simple question I asked was, this is my score and gpa, what scholarship options do I have? The problem with some of these threads is everyone wants to give life advice or answers to questions not even asked, and it frustrates and alienates a lot of people who visit these forums. I've been quietly watching for a long time and this isn't a new problem.

And I'm not independently wealthy, but my family is comfortable.

Because for most people, retake is the best advice. If you won't do that, then no one can make you, but people say it so often because it's so often the right thing to do. It would be irresponsible to encourage you to screw yourself by going to a crappy school just because it wasn't in the parameters of your question.

FYI if there is ever a "best avi" contest, you're nominated.

[TheSpanishMain]

Well I didn't think I would get all this career advice and demands to take the lsat again when the only simple question I asked was, this is my score and gpa, what scholarship options do I have? The problem with some of these threads is everyone wants to give life advice or answers to questions not even asked, and it frustrates and alienates a lot of people who visit these forums. I've been quietly watching for a long time and this isn't a new problem.

And I'm not independently wealthy, but my family is comfortable.

Because for most people, retake is the best advice. If you won't do that, then no one can make you, but people say it so often because it's so often the right thing to do. It would be irresponsible to encourage you to screw yourself by going to a crappy school just because it wasn't in the parameters of your question.

I have a good feeling you're a pain in the ass in the courtroom, lol.

I already gave you some schools to look at: San Diego, Loyola, Southwestern. I'm just caveating it by saying that you rolling out with your current LSAT score to a lower ranked school, with the intention of hanging your own shingle no less, is a bad idea. Feel free to disregard my advice, but you should probably ask yourself WHY everyone says "retake" in this scenario.

Which is the more likely reason:
A) Because retaking could get you into a much better school, giving you a much better chance of gainful employment and lowering the risk of ruinous debt. It could potentially be the most profitable four hours of your life.
B) Scarlett Johannson gives us all blowjobs each time we say "retake" so we just try to work it in whenever possible.

Seriously, there's no ulterior motive here. No one is saying retake just to screw with you or be difficult. They're genuinely trying to help you maximize your chances of realizing your goals.

[Tiago Splitter]

If the answer is "B" I'm really jealous of BigZuck.

[d cooper]

The new trend to dodge the retake mantra: "This is just for fun so job stats don't matter to me."

[tangelo]

Well I didn't think I would get all this career advice and demands to take the lsat again when the only simple question I asked was, this is my score and gpa, what scholarship options do I have? The problem with some of these threads is everyone wants to give life advice or answers to questions not even asked, and it frustrates and alienates a lot of people who visit these forums. I've been quietly watching for a long time and this isn't a new problem.

And I'm not independently wealthy, but my family is comfortable.

Because for most people, retake is the best advice. If you won't do that, then no one can make you, but people say it so often because it's so often the right thing to do. It would be irresponsible to encourage you to screw yourself by going to a crappy school just because it wasn't in the parameters of your question.

I have a good feeling you're a pain in the ass in the courtroom, lol.

I already gave you some schools to look at: San Diego, Loyola, Southwestern. I'm just caveating it by saying that you rolling out with your current LSAT score to a lower ranked school, with the intention of hanging your own shingle no less, is a bad idea. Feel free to disregard my advice, but you should probably ask yourself WHY everyone says "retake" in this scenario.

Which is the more likely reason:
A) Because retaking could get you into a much better school, giving you a much better chance of gainful employment and lowering the risk of ruinous debt. It could potentially be the most profitable four hours of your life.
B) Scarlett Johannson gives us all blowjobs each time we say "retake" so we just try to work it in whenever possible.

Seriously, there's no ulterior motive here. No one is saying retake just to screw with you or be difficult. They're genuinely trying to help you maximize your chances of realizing your goals.

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

[tangelo]

The new trend to dodge the retake mantra: "This is just for fun so job stats don't matter to me."

Which most definitely is NOT my mantra. I'm not taking this lightly.

[TheSpanishMain]

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

No problem. Nothing to lose but four hours of your time, man. All potential upside, no downside.

[tangelo]

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

No problem. Nothing to lose but four hours of your time, man. All potential upside, no downside.

Just curious, did you go down the same road? Did you take it twice? Scores? What was your outcome regarding having 2 scores to deal with when applying to schools?

[Cal Trask]

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

No problem. Nothing to lose but four hours of your time, man. All potential upside, no downside.

Just curious, did you go down the same road? Did you take it twice? Scores? What was your outcome regarding having 2 scores to deal with when applying to schools?

Retaking isn't going to hurt you. Schools aren't going to back away because you've got a second score on your transcript. Just go for it.

[tangelo]

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

No problem. Nothing to lose but four hours of your time, man. All potential upside, no downside.

Just curious, did you go down the same road? Did you take it twice? Scores? What was your outcome regarding having 2 scores to deal with when applying to schools?

Retaking isn't going to hurt you. Schools aren't going to back away because you've got a second score on your transcript. Just go for it.

Not to be critical, but is there evidence of this I an check out? Link? I've just heard there's many schools that average the scores. The thing is, I busted my hump for the 161, which was raised from 150 on a pre-test. We're talking months of heavy study. So can I realistically do all that studying again, and how many points can I realistically expect to raise it?

Just doesn't feel practical to me considering all the variables.

[Nova]

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

No problem. Nothing to lose but four hours of your time, man. All potential upside, no downside.

Just curious, did you go down the same road? Did you take it twice? Scores? What was your outcome regarding having 2 scores to deal with when applying to schools?

your not asking me, but as part of camp "take it again" ill go ahead and answer.

I did not take the LSAT twice. I took it once in December of 2011, did better than you, got a few 100k+ scholarships from first tier law schools, and settled.

I seriously regret not retaking in June before matriculating. I would have had nothing to lose, and could have put myself in an even better position.

I am in a pretty good position right now. But who knows what could have been?

Schools from UCLA/USC down only care about your highest score. taking it twice will not hurt you. It can only help.

[Cal Trask]

Not to be critical, but is there evidence of this I an check out? Link? I've just heard there's many schools that average the scores. The thing is, I busted my hump for the 161, which was raised from 150 on a pre-test. We're talking months of heavy study. So can I realistically do all that studying again, and how many points can I realistically expect to raise it?

Just doesn't feel practical to me considering all the variables.

What is it you have to lose again?

[Nova]

Not to be critical, but is there evidence of this I an check out? Link?

its common tls knowledge.

schools don't average. They take your highest score. A big reason for that is because the highest score is what affects their USNWR ranking.

some top law schools will consider all your scores, but not the ones you would be considering with a 16x.

[d cooper]

Not to be critical, but is there evidence of this I an check out? Link? I've just heard there's many schools that average the scores. The thing is, I busted my hump for the 161, which was raised from 150 on a pre-test. We're talking months of heavy study. So can I realistically do all that studying again, and how many points can I realistically expect to raise it?

Just doesn't feel practical to me considering all the variables.

There is no school that would accept an applicant with a 161 that is going to take an averaged LSAT into consideration. What you're referencing is maybe applicable to Yale, Harvard and Stanford, and that's because they can afford to split hairs among their applicant pool and are for the most part immune to USNWR's ranking methodology. You're not in that race. If you had a 170+, there might be a reason not to retake. With your current score, a retake can only help you.

[Tiago Splitter]

Take a look at the admissions graph for NYU, a highly ranked school that, like nearly all others, is almost completely numbers driven:

http://nyu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1314

Given the number of people retaking the LSAT at least once, it wouldn't be possible to have a graph like that if retakes were taken into consideration.

[tangelo]

Crap.

Looks like I'm back to studying for a retest.

Thanks, and screw you all.

[d cooper]

Crap.

Looks like I'm back to studying for a retest.

Thanks, and screw you all.

Good luck. I took the LSAT three times. I started with a score very close to what you have, and ended up with a 172. You won't regret it.

[tangelo]

Crap.

Looks like I'm back to studying for a retest.

Thanks, and screw you all.

Good luck. I took the LSAT three times. I started with a score very close to what you have, and ended up with a 172. You won't regret it.

Lay it on me, man. What's the secret? 161 was a bitch to get. How did you manage that wide of jump? Links to the best methods appreciated. Thanks.

[Nova]

Crap.

Looks like I'm back to studying for a retest.

Thanks, and screw you all.

Good luck. I took the LSAT three times. I started with a score very close to what you have, and ended up with a 172. You won't regret it.

Lay it on me, man. What's the secret? 161 was a bitch to get. How did you manage that wide of jump? Links to the best methods appreciated. Thanks.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=200917
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 6&t=195603
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... ?f=6&t=396

[TheSpanishMain]

Yeah, I'm following you and in all honesty the advice is beginning to rub off. Thanks man.

No problem. Nothing to lose but four hours of your time, man. All potential upside, no downside.

Just curious, did you go down the same road? Did you take it twice? Scores? What was your outcome regarding having 2 scores to deal with when applying to schools?

I didn't, but my GPA is lower than yours (above a 3.0, but low enough that I had no real shot at non-splitter friendly T-14 schools.) My LSAT was also good enough to get me into the T-14 splitter friendly schools (UVA, GULC, and Northwestern). I'm also a veteran with the GI Bill, so scholarships aren't as big of a consideration. If I didn't have the GI Bill though, I definitely would have.

Best of luck, man. Since you're asking about schools in March, I assume you aren't even going to apply until the fall, so you can give the LSAT two more tries and not lose any time. Shit, even if you just jump a little, say to 165 or so, you're looking at BIG savings in terms of scholarships.

[thewaves]

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