Chances w/ PENN ED and other T-14's? URM (AA)/3.3/159 Forum

[Patriot1208]

OP, if you're unwilling to retake the LSAT then I think you're just going to have to spray and pray with your applications. URM cycles are pretty unpredictable but you never know.

And in response to Patriot, you can be a diversity student so long before you become a diversity hire anyway.

truth. URM out of Penn=not a bad spot to be in.

Maybe true, but it is still a bad spot if your almost last. And almost every URM in Penn will have significantly better stats than OP.

[premier2t]

Patriot1208, you have surely made your point.

[Thirteen]

With regards to my LSAT score, I was disappointed with my score because I consistently scored 5-8 points higher with my practice tests, and I felt so good coming out of the test. I just don't feel good about taking the test again. I started this thread because I wanted to know what my chances are given the current circumstances. Thanks again for your responses.

If you were consistently scoring in the mid 160's, you have to retake the test. Most schools only take the higher LSAT, so you have nothing to lose.

[let/them/eat/cake]

With regards to my LSAT score, I was disappointed with my score because I consistently scored 5-8 points higher with my practice tests, and I felt so good coming out of the test. I just don't feel good about taking the test again. I started this thread because I wanted to know what my chances are given the current circumstances. Thanks again for your responses.

If you were consistently scoring in the mid 160's, you have to retake the test. Most schools only take the higher LSAT, so you have nothing to lose.

+1. dude, man-up and retake, even if it means waiting a year. the world will be your GD motherfucking oyster with a few more points.

[dukelawguy144]

So is T-14 unrealistic for an applicant like me?

Yes, Retake and get a 165+ and you will prob get intoa t14 with URM status.

[vanwinkle]

If you worked EXTREMELY hard for your 159, have fun being last in the class at Upenn if you go.

Maybe true, but it is still a bad spot if your almost last. And almost every URM in Penn will have significantly better stats than OP.

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These kind of comments do not belong in threads like these. You are warned.

[Ty Webb]

Probably a better representation of Van Winkle, given the few posts I've seen him make in the last week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjynbUNlvWU

[Holly Golightly]

Probably a better representation of Van Winkle, given the few posts I've seen him make in the last week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjynbUNlvWU

[libertarian]

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[fenway]

OP, if you're unwilling to retake the LSAT then I think you're just going to have to spray and pray with your applications. URM cycles are pretty unpredictable but you never know.

And in response to Patriot, you can be a diversity student so long before you become a diversity hire anyway.

truth. URM out of Penn=not a bad spot to be in.

Maybe true, but it is still a bad spot if your almost last. And almost every URM in Penn will have significantly better stats than OP.

regardless of CR, he'd still probably get interviews as a URM out of Penn. And he sounds like a pretty dynamic guy outside the numbers, so I certainly wouldn't discourage OP from matriculating based on a fear he might not rank well.

And as suggested above, OP should definitely retake the LSAT. At worst it's good mental exercise prep for LS, and at best OP would likely get some money thrown his way/not have to worry much about acceptances. 165+/URM/those softs=(very) nice place to be in

[Patriot1208]

If you worked EXTREMELY hard for your 159, have fun being last in the class at Upenn if you go.

Maybe true, but it is still a bad spot if your almost last. And almost every URM in Penn will have significantly better stats than OP.

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These kind of comments do not belong in threads like these. You are warned.

I like the soccer reference.

[paz]

don't quite see the harm in patriots posting that most urms will have significantly better stats than him, if he does manage to get in. he CLEARLY is bottom of the barrel as far as stats go.

[vanwinkle]

don't quite see the harm in patriots posting that most urms will have significantly better stats than him, if he does manage to get in. he CLEARLY is bottom of the barrel as far as stats go.

It's not the fact that other URMs will likely have better stats than OP if accepted, it's his injecting the (unjustified) opinion that OP will be last in his class as a result. Not only is this not right (while there is some correlation between LSAT/GPA and class rank, Patriot can't know where OP will end up for certain), but it also doesn't address OP's actual concerns at all, which is about where he can get in. It's distracting, and inflammatory.

Now, I hope that this matter can be dropped and people can actually try, you know, giving advice to the OP on his problem.

[Thirteen]

don't quite see the harm in patriots posting that most urms will have significantly better stats than him, if he does manage to get in. he CLEARLY is bottom of the barrel as far as stats go.

QUICK, give me the stats for Penn's matriculating classes for the past 3 years. If you can't prove that the OP will clearly be at the bottom of the barrel, don't make a post claiming the fact in such absolute terms. Patriot's post is also troublesome because it assumes that the OP will place at the bottom of the class.

[premier2t]

I take the words of people like Patriot1208 with a grain of salt. Thank you all very much for your insight. It's given me some perspective heading into the fall.

[czelede]

Your chances don't look good. All 3.3x applicants accepted this cycle and last cycle had at least a 170, all factors considered (URM, ED, etc). Some URMs with >161 were wait listed. Cornell MAY be in your reach (there was a 3.4/157 accepted this cycle) but it's very very iffy (a 3.4/164 URM was also rejected). I would give them an application if I were you.

Here's the 3.4/157; she had some pretty great softs if you want an idea of where she was accepted.
http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Golden

Realistically speaking if you want a good chance at any of the T25 please, please retake the LSAT. I am positive you would be able to improve your score. I know the idea of having to study and retake is not appealing (I was afraid I would have to retake in Oct and I was getting hives just thinking about it) but it would open so many doors for you, particularly with your softs.

[LLB2JD]

Well, OP just got into UVA. So I guess it didn't turn out bad for him afterall.

[cartercl]

Yeah, some people here need to take a statistics course or two and realize just how poor LSN/LSP is at predicting the cycle of a URM group for which so little data exists, and for which the data that does exist is statistically biased. I'm so tired of that being the first piece of advice people throw out to URM applicants. It's virtually useless for us.

But enough of my rant... Congrats OP. Well done.

[clintonius]

Well, OP just got into UVA. So I guess it didn't turn out bad for him afterall.

That was fast.

[johnnyutah]

If you worked EXTREMELY hard for your 159, have fun being last in the class at Upenn if you go.

Don't underestimate the number of dipshits at t-14 schools.

[Thirteen]

Well, OP just got into UVA. So I guess it didn't turn out bad for him afterall.

Nice. Congrats to the OP.

[premier2t]

An update: Just finished top 10% at UVA. So quite honestly, fuck those in here who had nothing but discouraging words for me. Thanks.

[Ruxin1]

An update: Just finished top 10% at UVA. So quite honestly, fuck those in here who had nothing but discouraging words for me. Thanks.

Congrats OP , suck it Patriot.

[irish1485]

An update: Just finished top 10% at UVA. So quite honestly, fuck those in here who had nothing but discouraging words for me. Thanks.

Congrats OP , suck it Patriot.

+1,

Congrats!

[ajaxconstructions]

Being black can only carry you so far, you would get a lot further with mid 160s score.