166 cc dropout looking to turn it around in 4 year college Forum

[csprizzle38]

Law school will take you at least 7 years. Why not retake the SAT/ACT and go to BU/BC and study finance. You can make 120k your first year, and not have to pay for law school. Blacks get a big AA boost in finance, because the feds financially incentivize the bulge brackets to hire URM's.

My passion for becoming a Big Law partner stems from my belief that commercial litigation is the field that gives me the best chance to be truly great at something lucrative and prestigious. I'm sure I would turn out OK working in any number of fields, but I like to hunk I'll establish a reputation as a *premiere* legal practitioner.

I've scored over 170 on the LSAT under strict timed conditions more than once. The 166 I achieved in June represents the low end of my range. After I'm admitted to an elite law school, my interest in affirmative action will evaporate; indeed, I'm confident that I'll outperform most of my future white classmates spotting issues in fact patterns and writing analytical essays about them. (Minus zero on one LR section, 48/51 overall.)[/quote]


....WHUT.

Your interest in affirmative action will EVAPORATE. Dude, that's such a dick thing to say. AA is meant to actually help minorities climb up the social ladder. Using something that helps you out so much, and then saying "ha, fuck that shit, idgaf." immediately after it has helped put you into a position that most cant even dream of is so wrong on so many levels.

Also, you're confident that you'll outperform most of your future white classmates at spotting issues in fact patterns and writing analytically essays about them. Lets just forget about the fact that, that sounds incredibly bigoted. Your rationale for that is what? the fact that you went 48/51 on LR. Who the hell gives a shit? At these schools - that you feel that you're entitled to get into - most of your "white" classmates will have scored similarly, and in many cases higher.

The LSAT is the EASIEST part of getting into LS. You haven't even taken a single college class, in fact the only college-esq classes you've ever taken... YOU'VE FAILED!

I sincerely hope that OP is a troll, because if you actually exist, your sense of superiority over everyone shines like a frigging beacon, and if its off putting on the internet, i can only imagine how bad it is IRL.[/quote]


I am indeed a bigot. I hate WASPS, which is ironic since I aspire to work at Cravath, Swaine & Moore.

[cron1834]

The LSAT is the EASIEST part of getting into LS. You haven't even taken a single college class, in fact the only college-esq classes you've ever taken... YOU'VE FAILED!

OP, take heed:

[xylocarp]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

law school grading is blind.


i also hate you

This post is under-appreciated. Dude MADE AN ACCOUNT just to tell this guy he hates him.

[csprizzle38]

A in Macroeconomics, A- in Business Law, B+ in Psychology, CLEP'd out of College Composition (cold), 4 on the AP US History History Exam, 3 on the AP literature exam. Never exerted any effort...*shrug*

[gnomgnomuch]

I majored in history and several of my 300 and 400 classes were easier than 100 and 200 level ones, so course number/description is not always a good proxy for actual difficulty and the effort you will need to put in. How well you do, especially at the upper end (difference between B+ & A- etc.) can have a lot to do with how well your writing style meshes with your professor, or at least how well you can read what they are looking for. By senior year I knew what professors/courses I could reasonably expect to get an A or A- in, but I think its impossible to honestly, credibly believe that, based solely on your own intelligence, you will get a 4.0. You just don't know enough yet and its dangerous to plan that far into the future relying on getting that grade.

I agree: nothing is certain, and the difficulty of particular courses isn't necessarily a function of its "level." And I'm definitely going to have work really hard to get an *A* (which is very different than an A- in my case). I think I can do it... Keep your fingers crossed!

I geeked out and bought this book haha.. It suggests scheduling a meeting with your professors right at the outset so you're clear on the expectations for earning high marks and disposing the professor towards giving you them.
http://www.amazon.com/Step-College-Care ... 457606348/

law school grading is blind.


i also hate you

This post is under-appreciated. Dude MADE AN ACCOUNT just to tell this guy he hates him.

+180

[csprizzle38]

I just found out my old babysitter, a very sweet woman in whose wedding I served as an usher, is no longer in remission. She has a brain tumor.

[csprizzle38]

Sigh... Alright, this has gotten out of hand.

Let me make one last speal:

1.)

I have a big chip on my shoulder. It derives from three sources: (1) feeling like the world sees me as less than because I don't have an impressive academic pedigree; (2) feeling like because I don't have a 173 LSAT, nobody thinks I have what it takes to accomplish my goals; and (3) being really smart but starved for VALIDATION. I've done so much unilateral studying it's not even funny, and I have a 166 LSAT (and I'd do even better on the GRE Verbal), but I feel like nobody gives a shit... My parents, my friends. I'm just all alone.
http://harvardlawcaveman.wordpress.com


2.)

That's why I'm wont to adopt the brazen, narcissistic, "Fuck you" attitude I've exhibited (*at times*) on this thread. Though it's not an excuse for being rude, I hope you can appreciate why I'm just... Really really angry and unhappy most of the time. All I have are my dreams of going to law school and then Big Law.

3.)

I really LOVE to write. And despite what Cron has suggested, I do possess strong analytical writing skills---skills I seldom have an opportunity to apply. So I jumped at the opportunity to just debate with a smart person... It wasn't less about winning (it was a stupid disagreement in my view) than about deriving satisfaction from crafting paragraphs that sound "appellate briefish."

4.)

I hope you'll reserve judgment for me and not pick on me and shun me if I try to participate (non-argumentatively) and make friends in other forums... I have not had and will not have many friends I can dialogue with since graduating high school and until I head up to college.

So just please don't hate me... This future hyper-gunner asshole ethos I intentionally cultivated doesn't feel good, and it's certainly not me.

I'm now going to snuggle with my boyfriend pillow and pretend I'm at Penn Law, in love with a charming, handsome medical student (named "Calvin" - I love that name for some reason).

*sigh*

[NYSprague]

Sigh... Alright, this has gotten out of hand.

Let me make one last speal:

1.)

I have a big chip on my shoulder. It derives from three sources: (1) feeling like the world sees me as less than because I don't have an impressive academic pedigree; (2) feeling like because I don't have a 173 LSAT, nobody thinks I have what it takes to accomplish my goals; and (3) being really smart but starved for VALIDATION. I've done so much unilateral studying it's not even funny, and I have a 166 LSAT (and I'd do even better on the GRE Verbal), but I feel like nobody gives a shit... My parents, my friends. I'm just all alone.
http://harvardlawcaveman.wordpress.com


2.)

That's why I'm wont to adopt the brazen, narcissistic, "Fuck you" attitude I've exhibited (*at times*) on this thread. Though it's not an excuse for being rude, I hope you can appreciate why I'm just... Really really angry and unhappy most of the time. All I have are my dreams of going to law school and then Big Law.

3.)

I really LOVE to write. And despite what Cron has suggested, I do possess strong analytical writing skills---skills I seldom have an opportunity to apply. So I jumped at the opportunity to just debate with a smart person... It wasn't less about winning (it was a stupid disagreement in my view) than about deriving satisfaction from crafting paragraphs that sound "appellate briefish."

4.)

I hope you'll reserve judgment for me and not pick on me and shun me if I try to participate (non-argumentatively) and make friends in other forums... I have not had and will not have many friends I can dialogue with since graduating high school and until I head up to college.

So just please don't hate me... This future hyper-gunner asshole ethos I intentionally cultivated doesn't feel good, and it's certainly not me.

I'm now going to snuggle with my boyfriend pillow and pretend I'm at Penn Law, in love with a charming, handsome medical student (named "Calvin" - I love that name for some reason).

*sigh*

Just be normal. Or just keep posting in this thread. That works too.

[Flips88]

THIS IS SOME GREAT LACK OF SOCIAL AWARENESS PERFORMANCE ART. THANK YOU.

[nerd1]

What are you going to do if law school doesn't work out, interest you, admit you where you want?

If you get a useless liberal arts degree I feel like you're setting yourself up for failure (or at least eliminating some potentially very valuable exit strategies). Major in something that is likely to have at least ok employment prospects, but that you can get As in if you work your ass off. Like no CS or engineering, but maybe econ, marketing, or whatever the easiest business degree they offer is. Not saying jobs will necessarily be easy to get anywhere, but at least get a degree where you've got a fighting chance at a decent non-law outcome.

lots of people seem to end up miserable at (or after) law school cuz they went just because they didn't think they had any other options. Right now is when you work to avoid becoming that guy.

Lol at major in Econ. Business/business administration is tcr

Business majors suck. No wonder why the very best colleges like HYPS don't provide business programs for undergrads. I just wanted to say that.

[Flips88]

Also can we talk about this: https://www.facebook.com/tailback04210/ ... 3213666727

[Flips88]

It's wicked cool Antonin Scalia has begun regularly including section headings in his opinions, something that to my knowledge he only did once before this Term (see link). Hopefully he'll start a trend!

I can't believe you're a real person

[chuckbass]

It's wicked cool Antonin Scalia has begun regularly including section headings in his opinions, something that to my knowledge he only did once before this Term (see link). Hopefully he'll start a trend!

I can't believe you're a real person

I'm truly terrified.

[nerd1]

It's wicked cool Antonin Scalia has begun regularly including section headings in his opinions, something that to my knowledge he only did once before this Term (see link). Hopefully he'll start a trend!

I can't believe you're a real person

I'm truly terrified.

It's fun to watch him.

[FuriousDuck]

...

[cron1834]

I am pretty drunk right now, but I feel that I've done the Lord's work ITT ...

[csprizzle38]

I am pretty drunk right now, but I feel that I've done the Lord's work ITT ...

I just thought some of you might be interested in this talk about law school exams I watched this morning. Here are my notes. (When I'm in law school, I will definitely not be someone unwilling to share notes or rip pages out of books or anything. I'm not a mean person.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=292yC4kJhbY

Most broadly, the law student's job is two-pronged : (1) identify the controlling black letter principles and (2) identify where the lines in the cases create ambiguity. (30:00 - 30:17).

Two main types of exams (36:53 - 47:17)
1.) lateral issue spotting - contracts and crim law
2.) deep issue spotter

How to write a deep issue spotter essay:

1.) Identify the operational legal principles implicated by the fact pattern
2.) Discuss the extent to which the controlling authority resolves the question.
3.) If the answer is ambiguous, analyze how to RECONCILE the conflicting authority by reference to policy-related decisional rules. (The ultimate conclusion you reach can go either way; it's all about the quality of the argument.)

Remember to argue from within the role---judge, law clerk, lawyer---the question assigns you.

Remember that the sine qua non of STRUCTURING answers that have multiple steps/sub-issues is what's called "arguing in the alternative" (52:53 - 54:10). Here's an example:

"The first issue is personal jurisdiction. One the one hand, X; on the other hand, Y. It's probably resolved by X because Z, in which case the case is closed.

"But if the court finds that there is personal jurisdiction, the next analytical step would be to resolve the issue of subject matter jurisdiction."

[csprizzle38]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissist ... y_disorder

"Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR, include:[1]

-Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
-Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
-Envies others and believes others envy him/her
-Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
-Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
-Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
-Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic"

Hardly. I don't feel very good about my current situation, and I have plenty of self-doubt about whether I can cut it at the very highest level of the legal profession.

But I was speaking the truth when I declared, "I've read all these lawyer books and appropriated the writing styles of Scalia and Posner." My room is *littered* with Scalia's dissents, Posner's books, and books on legal analysis/writing. So my belief that I'm on roughly the same intellectual plane as many 1L's is rooted not in narcissism but rather in the fact I've spent the past three years of my life geeking out reading guides on how to be a great law student.

I just go carried away with the fun I was having being hyper-combative... Again, I'm GENUINELY SORRY... Sometimes the Internet transports me into a parallel universe, one in which there aren't any immediate consequences for saying whatever seems amusing, no matter how untactful/rude/obnoxious. (I.e., in real life, I'm not a narcissist, even if I can come off as one while writing about my ambition.)

[Flips88]

Yeah, you're gonna be despised by all your law school classmates and probs turn off every single job interviewer with your personality.

[csprizzle38]

Yeah, you're gonna be despised by all your law school classmates and probs turn off every single job interviewer with your personality.

I don't think so. One of my goals is to be a well-liked, respected guy on Law Review; thus, to the extent I find people aren't responding well to my "interpersonal style," I'll adapt accordingly.

[chuckbass]

Maybe this is DF... A lot of his posts are littered with random spelling mistakes.

[gnomgnomuch]

i don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore...

[Flips88]

Maybe this is DF... A lot of his posts are littered with random spelling mistakes.

Even DF isn't elaborate enough to create a gay, black Scalia loving community college dropout that insists he will be a share partner at a V5.

[chuckbass]

Maybe this is DF... A lot of his posts are littered with random spelling mistakes.

Even DF isn't elaborate enough to create a gay, black Scalia loving community college dropout that insists he will be a share partner at a V5.

can we have the OP updated with this description as the TL;DR?

[A. Nony Mouse]

Yeah, you're gonna be despised by all your law school classmates and probs turn off every single job interviewer with your personality.

I don't think so. One of my goals is to be a well-liked, respected guy on Law Review; thus, to the extent I find people aren't responding well to my "interpersonal style," I'll adapt accordingly.

Why is being on LR relevant to whether you'll be liked by your classmates?