Ann Ivey - To Take her Advice or Not
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Ann Ivey - To Take her Advice or Not
What do you guys think? I know I have no chance with my stats at a t14 school, but I also know that I am not in this for the money (which Ann assumes every prospective law student is in her post). Do you think her advice should be taken seriously?
My verdict - take it with a grain of salt and be prepared, if not going to a t14, to tackle a possibly rough job market.
Edit - the only thing that really sucks here is that your paying top dollar for the schools, you graduate with over $100,000 in student loans to pay off, and then you get a job that slows your ability to pay. I'm used to debt but I don't like it, I must admit.
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philo-sophia, I agree
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Likewise - I'd like to attend on the East just for the experience.yeah, i definitely think that once you're outside the top 30 or so region becomes a key consideration. I'd really like to go out to CA and experience the west coast for a while, so i'm applying to Berkeley, UCLA and USC. That said, i can't go to UC Hastings or Loyola, b/c if i find out i want to move back to the east coast, i'd be in a tough spot.
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I know that it will be harder to compete for the top jobs but I will have an easier time graduating at or near the top of my class and I'll have an extra $15,000-$25,000/yr because I won't have loan payments. I will be just as competitive, if not more so, for MidLaw and SmallLaw jobs. I can open my own firm if I choose, or work for the Gov't.
T14 is great if you can afford it, but your career options aren't as limited as some say if you don't go T14. Of course, if you can get HYS then you'd be dumb not to take that at any cost. But the rest of T14 is over-hyped.
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If you take out $150,00 to go t14, and I go to t30 for free I'm saving $1,700/mo for 10yrs in loan fees. That means if I invested that a 6% I get almost $300k. If I could average 12% it's closer to $400k. Is t14 really going to get me $30-40k more a year? It's possible but not likely. HYS would but it's not so certain with the rest.
Additionally, at a T30 I have a lot better chance at getting top 2% than at a T14. Suma, Law Review editor, etc. at T30 looks better than just another smart kid at T14.
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I disagree, University of Miami graduates can land great jobs in south florida and they are ranked #73. I do agree after the t-14 though the school pretty much becomes regional. UM and UF are respected in the state of florida in my opinionmaybe i'm just comforting myself, but i think that view is way more applicable to T2 and below, but not so much to schools in the top 30, or even the top 50.
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I think a law degree is still valuable from a second tier or even t40 - t30 school if you practice law in the region you go to school. I work with very successful attorneys who went to USD, USF, and Santa Clara and many of them are partners, one from santa clara already has her own, successful high-profile divorce law firm (she charges $600/hr and has a staff of 3 and works with 7 other associates).
We shouldn't be so hard on ourselves...
A great piece of advice I got - It's not about the school you go to, it's about the opportunities you take while you're there.
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Her book was REALLY good - but it's pretty much targeted at those who want to get into a top school. And, she comes off bitchy in her book, too. Definitely a good read for those applying to law school, but I'm sure even if you didn't read it (and considering you are on this forum) you submitted fabulous applicationI haven't read her book, but by just reading that she kinda sounds like a bitch
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