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[CardinalRules]

Fair enough right back at you. But I'd imagine that if your admissions officers are complaining about over-entitlement, they're complaining about the type of entitlement that includes undue arrogance. I'd hold it against them if they were complaining about applicants who have the wrong expectations because of their poor upbringing.

I agree completely.



To crack and managamymaanynam or whatever, aren't you guys weary of staying at Stanford for 7-9 years??? What are your thoughts on this, as it's weighing on my mind? (I'd be here for eight)

It would be 7 years for me, and it does weigh on my mind. There is something to be said for the intellectual stimulation of moving to a completely new environment. On the other hand, my health is quite fragile, and moving to a new environment is not an unmitigated blessing if it is an environment that compromises my physical well-being. So overall I would say that the two issues balance each other out in my case.

The law school people don't really need to mix with the rest of the university except insofar as they wish, so it's not as though you would be spending your time with the same group of people. SLS classes are fairly diverse in many ways, and there wouldn't be a lot of continuity beyond whatever continuity that one seeks out of one's own choice.

[chopsticks3092]

To crack and managamymaanynam or whatever, aren't you guys weary of staying at Stanford for 7-9 years??? What are your thoughts on this, as it's weighing on my mind? (I'd be here for eight)

If only I could stay at my UG for another 3 years. Damn LACs.

[skynet]

And I'll be one of those 25 Stanford UGs at SLS next year.

Does this mean YLS is off the table now? Or is there an implied conditional here?

[crackberry]

And I'll be one of those 25 Stanford UGs at SLS next year.

Does this mean YLS is off the table now? Or is there an implied conditional here?

I am merely assuming I will not get in to YLS.

[crackberry]

Fair enough right back at you. But I'd imagine that if your admissions officers are complaining about over-entitlement, they're complaining about the type of entitlement that includes undue arrogance. I'd hold it against them if they were complaining about applicants who have the wrong expectations because of their poor upbringing.

I agree completely.



To crack and managamymaanynam or whatever, aren't you guys weary of staying at Stanford for 7-9 years??? What are your thoughts on this, as it's weighing on my mind? (I'd be here for eight)

Would be 7 years for me as well. It's definitely something I've thought about. To be honest, for me, as someone who wants to do environmental law, the top programs are likely going to be Yale, Stanford and Berkeley. I think it would be somewhat foolish to pick Berkeley having gotten into Stanford, so if that's out, it's really down to Yale and Stanford for me. Harvard's environmental program just simply isn't as good as YLS' or SLS', and its LRAP is much worse, so Harvard is off the table. If I get into Yale, it's going to be a tough call, but right now I think I'd probably go to New Haven.

Kretzy said YLS vs. SLS is 50/50 for him. For me, it's probably 60 Yale/40 Stanford at this point. That could change, though, given that I love California and hate the Northeast.

Also, I have to get into Yale first. If/when I don't, I will be going to SLS and won't really worry about it.

[crackberry]

Ahahaha I love this from the Admitted Students site:

Do not let weather be a primary factor in your decision to choose Stanford. Of course, the weather is nice and I will confess here that one of my favorite things every winter morning is to look at the weather map in the New York Times and see the snow icons all over the country except for where we live. Believe me, there is so much more to the place than the weather so do not place this criterion at the top of your list.

She says, basically, "Don't use the weather to make a decision. Yes, we have the best weather and everywhere else's weather sucks, but seriously, don't care about the weather."

[skynet]

Ahahaha I love this from the Admitted Students site:

Do not let weather be a primary factor in your decision to choose Stanford. Of course, the weather is nice and I will confess here that one of my favorite things every winter morning is to look at the weather map in the New York Times and see the snow icons all over the country except for where we live. Believe me, there is so much more to the place than the weather so do not place this criterion at the top of your list.

She says, basically, "Don't use the weather to make a decision. Yes, we have the best weather and everywhere else's weather sucks, but seriously, don't care about the weather."

haha, I wonder if she is a mom. That is such a mom thing to say. "Don't worry about what I think. I just care about you and want what's best for you, but you've got to make your own decision. My opinion isn't important. I just want you to be happy."

[CardinalRules]

Ahahaha I love this from the Admitted Students site:

Do not let weather be a primary factor in your decision to choose Stanford. Of course, the weather is nice and I will confess here that one of my favorite things every winter morning is to look at the weather map in the New York Times and see the snow icons all over the country except for where we live. Believe me, there is so much more to the place than the weather so do not place this criterion at the top of your list.

She says, basically, "Don't use the weather to make a decision. Yes, we have the best weather and everywhere else's weather sucks, but seriously, don't care about the weather."

Classic Faye, really; sounds just like she did when I met with her. And I had no idea that you were more likely to take YLS than SLS should that situation arise. Have you always preferred Yale, or is it a recent change of mind?

[crackberry]

And I had no idea that you were more likely to take YLS than SLS should that situation arise. Have you always preferred Yale, or is it a recent change of mind?

Well, honestly, I haven't decided yet. But after talking with friends and family, as well as a couple of attorneys I trust, I've come to the tentative conclusion that 1) having two schools on my resume is better than one 2) I'm not going to have any trouble coming back to California as a result of Stanford UG and, thus, a demonstrated interest in the state and 3) Yale would give me at least as good, if not better, clerkship opportunities as Stanford.

Finally, on the off chance I decide I want to teach, YLS >> SLS for that.

All that said, I could very well still pick SLS over YLS. I definitely would rather go to law school in California, and all my friends are out here. There is no small part of me that hopes I don't get into YLS and therefore don't have to make the decision.

[CardinalRules]

And I had no idea that you were more likely to take YLS than SLS should that situation arise. Have you always preferred Yale, or is it a recent change of mind?

Well, honestly, I haven't decided yet. But after talking with friends and family, as well as a couple of attorneys I trust, I've come to the tentative conclusion that 1) having two schools on my resume is better than one 2) I'm not going to have any trouble coming back to California as a result of Stanford UG and, thus, a demonstrated interest in the state and 3) Yale would give me at least as good, if not better, clerkship opportunities as Stanford.

Finally, on the off chance I decide I want to teach, YLS >> SLS for that.

All that said, I could very well still pick SLS over YLS. I definitely would rather go to law school in California, and all my friends are out here. There is no small part of me that hopes I don't get into YLS and therefore don't have to make the decision.

Very interesting; thanks for explaining your reasoning!

[Kronk]

Kretzy said YLS vs. SLS is 50/50 for him. For me, it's probably 60 Yale/40 Stanford at this point. That could change, though, given that I love California and hate the Northeast.

I call shenanigans. I'd bet the house that Kretzy takes YLS if given the opportunity.

[Kretzy]

Kretzy said YLS vs. SLS is 50/50 for him. For me, it's probably 60 Yale/40 Stanford at this point. That could change, though, given that I love California and hate the Northeast.

I call shenanigans. I'd bet the house that Kretzy takes YLS if given the opportunity.

Shenanigans! Everybody get your broom.

Never bet the house. Unless it's on black.

[crackberry]

I'd be interested to see by what margin Yale/Stanford cross-admits take YLS over SLS. I'm sure it's quite significant, but I wonder if it's like 70 percent or like 90 percent.

[Kronk]

I'd be interested to see by what margin Yale/Stanford cross-admits take YLS over SLS. I'm sure it's quite significant, but I wonder if it's like 70 percent or like 90 percent.

It has to be huge. I think most people take HLS over SLS as well. All of which can be seen in the yields (76% vs. 67% vs. 45%).

[CardinalRules]

I'd be interested to see by what margin Yale/Stanford cross-admits take YLS over SLS. I'm sure it's quite significant, but I wonder if it's like 70 percent or like 90 percent.

It has to be huge. I think most people take HLS over SLS as well. All of which can be seen in the yields (76% vs. 67% vs. 45%).

Yes, I think that the yield statistics are very revealing in this regard. 90 percent might be too high an estimate, though, considering the relative locations.

[Kretzy]

On a different note from all the talk of yield rates:

What's everyone doing about lodging during ASW? My best friend lives in the Castro, and I'm staying with him the week before for vacation, but won't be during the actual weekend. Any knowledge about cheap hotels and the like (Crack, Cardinal...looking in your directions) would be helpful. Thanks!

[Scales of Justice]

To the people in at Stanford - what were your LSAT scores, if you don't mind my asking? Stanford is absolutely my dream school! I know they like softs and I have a TON of those including an internship at the Supreme Court, a clerkship at the Cook County Public Defender's office, mock trial for three years, mentoring, working on an ambulance as an EMT... I go to the University of Chicago where we have a lot of grade deflation so anything you say about GPAs will probably make me cry a little, but that's okay! Tell me about yourselves! Thanks!

[Kronk]

To the people in at Stanford - what were your LSAT scores, if you don't mind my asking? Stanford is absolutely my dream school! I know they like softs and I have a TON of those including an internship at the Supreme Court, a clerkship at the Cook County Public Defender's office, mock trial for three years, mentoring, working on an ambulance as an EMT... I go to the University of Chicago where we have a lot of grade deflation so anything you say about GPAs will probably make me cry a little, but that's okay! Tell me about yourselves! Thanks!

Cal State University - Palo AlTTTo doesn't care what your LSAT is.

[crackberry]

To the people in at Stanford - what were your LSAT scores, if you don't mind my asking? Stanford is absolutely my dream school! I know they like softs and I have a TON of those including an internship at the Supreme Court, a clerkship at the Cook County Public Defender's office, mock trial for three years, mentoring, working on an ambulance as an EMT... I go to the University of Chicago where we have a lot of grade deflation so anything you say about GPAs will probably make me cry a little, but that's okay! Tell me about yourselves! Thanks!

http://stanford.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

Bunch of 170s on there. I'm a 169 (retake, with a 161 also on my record), but I'm a Stanford UG, which definitely helped me and I have very Stanford-specific softs.

[crackberry]

On a different note from all the talk of yield rates:

What's everyone doing about lodging during ASW? My best friend lives in the Castro, and I'm staying with him the week before for vacation, but won't be during the actual weekend. Any knowledge about cheap hotels and the like (Crack, Cardinal...looking in your directions) would be helpful. Thanks!

Well I'll be commuting to ASW from my place in SF (I wonder if I can get them to cover my parking), but assuming you want to stay in Palo Alto, I would avoid the hotels that SLS got blocks of rooms at, like the Westin and the Sheraton. Those are for sure the closest to campus, but they are also the most expensive. There are plenty of cheap motels on El Camino just south of campus. They won't be as nice as the Westin, of course, but they'll get the job done and they're not that much farther away.

The Glass Slipper often has the cheapest rates in town. Days Inn, Holiday Inn, etc. will be a little more. Honestly, if your chief concern is cost, just look on hotels.com and find the cheapest motel on El Camino within 5 miles of campus. The Marguerite will almost undoubtedly stop nearby, and even if it doesn't, a cab won't run you more than like $8 each way.

[Kretzy]

On a different note from all the talk of yield rates:

What's everyone doing about lodging during ASW? My best friend lives in the Castro, and I'm staying with him the week before for vacation, but won't be during the actual weekend. Any knowledge about cheap hotels and the like (Crack, Cardinal...looking in your directions) would be helpful. Thanks!

Well I'll be commuting to ASW from my place in SF (I wonder if I can get them to cover my parking), but assuming you want to stay in Palo Alto, I would avoid the hotels that SLS got blocks of rooms at, like the Westin and the Sheraton. Those are for sure the closest to campus, but they are also the most expensive. There are plenty of cheap motels on El Camino just south of campus. They won't be as nice as the Westin, of course, but they'll get the job done and they're not that much farther away.

The Glass Slipper often has the cheapest rates in town. Days Inn, Holiday Inn, etc. will be a little more. Honestly, if your chief concern is cost, just look on hotels.com and find the cheapest motel on El Camino within 5 miles of campus. The Marguerite will almost undoubtedly stop nearby, and even if it doesn't, a cab won't run you more than like $8 each way.

Gotcha, thanks a bunch. I'll check that out. It's the only visit where I have to pay for a room, so I'm not too upset if I have to cab or whatnot.

[Havaianas]

Sometimes I feel like this is a private thread between 6ish people.
6ish people who I'm very very jealous of.

[Kronk]

tbf I participate but am not accepted to SLS. Nor am I likely to be. hth

[CardinalRules]

tbf I participate but am not accepted to SLS. Nor am I likely to be. hth

It's OK, your humor gives you the right to participate as an honorary guest.

[Kretzy]

tbf I participate but am not accepted to SLS. Nor am I likely to be. hth

It's OK, [strike]your humor[/strike] the fact you're from Colorado, though only slightly amusing gives you the right to participate as an honorary guest.

FTFY.