Fordham Waiting Room Forum

[OperaSoprano]

somone please help!!

Fordham no money vs. Brooklyn full ride.

I havent even heard from Fordham re: scholarship, but I assume I wont get one.

don't assume! i haven't heard about a scholarship yet, either, but the admissions officer i spoke to told me they've "hardly made any scholarship offers yet."

I would absolutely do the Brookly full ride. I went to grad school pre-law school application and I can tell you that it is killing me to know that the debt I have from grad school is looming. If you can avoid having to pay to go to school it's such a better place to be when you're done. Also, wouldn't it be better to potentially be a big fish in a smaller pond (i.e., Brooklyn) than fight to be at the top at Fordham?

Not a guarantee of this at all. I know some BLS kids, and I would not at all wager that I am smarter than them, or that I would have been valedictorian of their school, or any other such thing. If the BLS scholly is guaranteed for all three years (no GPA requirement), and you are certain you do not want biglaw, then it is something to consider, but otherwise I would think long and hard about this. I have serious issues with the BLS administration, which is why I did not apply.

[OperaSoprano]

OS - first off, thank you for being such a wonderful source - regarding what you said about personal statements . . . is it safe to assume that if you're waitlisted with above median numbers, for both LSAT and GPA, that something in your PS hit a raw nerve with the adcom? If so, any impression from DB what the proper response would be? Obviously a LOCI, but should you try a fresh start or attempt to address anything in your PS that might have turned them off?

Honestly, yes. In this situation, I would try to arrange a meeting in person, but failing that, a humble, heartfelt, and not too formal LOCI is the next best thing. DB is remarkably frank, and if something is up, he'll tell you.

[OperaSoprano]

OS, do you know if there is any merit aid for PT students?

I'm worried about the 3.34, but with a 172 and a minority I thought I might get something. Am I out of luck?

PT students honestly don't get much aid. About one in five will get something, according to DB. As a URM, your chances are better than most, but I would be in contact with the admissions office if Fordham PT is something you seriously want. The money goes quickly, and a speedy acceptance is your best shot at aid.

[fitzgerald86]

OS - first off, thank you for being such a wonderful source - regarding what you said about personal statements . . . is it safe to assume that if you're waitlisted with above median numbers, for both LSAT and GPA, that something in your PS hit a raw nerve with the adcom? If so, any impression from DB what the proper response would be? Obviously a LOCI, but should you try a fresh start or attempt to address anything in your PS that might have turned them off?

Honestly, yes. In this situation, I would try to arrange a meeting in person, but failing that, a humble, heartfelt, and not too formal LOCI is the next best thing. DB is remarkably frank, and if something is up, he'll tell you.

Thanks I'm still complete, and I don't think my PS will be a problem, but good to have an emergency plan!!

[sibley]

Is Fordham known as being unfriendly to splitters? A 3.34 is over their 25th%. Is it really an automatic waitlist?

Just about, for non URMs in the day program. You would have to hit 169 or 170 to make it more likely than not that you wouldn't be waitlisted with that GPA, at least for a typical college senior or recent graduate.

I had other issues (my school and major), but I sat on the PT waitlist for 99 days with a 164/3.37. FT 3.3x people got in in May and June.

I was 3.34/170. Maybe they took my 158 and averaged it with my 170.

[sibley]

OS - first off, thank you for being such a wonderful source - regarding what you said about personal statements . . . is it safe to assume that if you're waitlisted with above median numbers, for both LSAT and GPA, that something in your PS hit a raw nerve with the adcom? If so, any impression from DB what the proper response would be? Obviously a LOCI, but should you try a fresh start or attempt to address anything in your PS that might have turned them off?

Honestly, yes. In this situation, I would try to arrange a meeting in person, but failing that, a humble, heartfelt, and not too formal LOCI is the next best thing. DB is remarkably frank, and if something is up, he'll tell you.

Thanks I'm still complete, and I don't think my PS will be a problem, but good to have an emergency plan!!

dude if it doesn't work out for you I'd be very interested in reading that ps.

[jl2032]

OS, do you know if there is any merit aid for PT students?

I'm worried about the 3.34, but with a 172 and a minority I thought I might get something. Am I out of luck?

PT students honestly don't get much aid. About one in five will get something, according to DB. As a URM, your chances are better than most, but I would be in contact with the admissions office if Fordham PT is something you seriously want. The money goes quickly, and a speedy acceptance is your best shot at aid.

I know you said Fordham doesn't yield protect, but they do ask where else we apply and someone on here said admissions told them they do that to see how serious we are about Fordham.

Honestly, Fordham part-time is one of my absolute top choices because my job said they'd pay close to 20k if I go to law school part time, and Fordham's the only PT in NY that I would consider. If I haven't heard back from the school so far, do you think I should send a LOCI now or wait? Also, do you think it's okay to write that I'm interested in Fordham because I'll get money from my job if I go there?

[bryntax]

OS, do you know if there is any merit aid for PT students?

I'm worried about the 3.34, but with a 172 and a minority I thought I might get something. Am I out of luck?

PT students honestly don't get much aid. About one in five will get something, according to DB. As a URM, your chances are better than most, but I would be in contact with the admissions office if Fordham PT is something you seriously want. The money goes quickly, and a speedy acceptance is your best shot at aid.

I know you said Fordham doesn't yield protect, but they do ask where else we apply and someone on here said admissions told them they do that to see how serious we are about Fordham.

Honestly, Fordham part-time is one of my absolute top choices because my job said they'd pay close to 20k if I go to law school part time, and Fordham's the only PT in NY that I would consider. If I haven't heard back from the school so far, do you think I should send a LOCI now or wait? Also, do you think it's okay to write that I'm interested in Fordham because I'll get money from my job if I go there?

..... that is a terrible idea, imo. would you appreciate it if a guy told you "hey well i mean my mom is paying me to date you, sure, but out of ALL the girls in this town, you are the only one i could see myself getting paid to date!"

[OperaSoprano]

OS, do you know if there is any merit aid for PT students?

I'm worried about the 3.34, but with a 172 and a minority I thought I might get something. Am I out of luck?

PT students honestly don't get much aid. About one in five will get something, according to DB. As a URM, your chances are better than most, but I would be in contact with the admissions office if Fordham PT is something you seriously want. The money goes quickly, and a speedy acceptance is your best shot at aid.

I know you said Fordham doesn't yield protect, but they do ask where else we apply and someone on here said admissions told them they do that to see how serious we are about Fordham.

Honestly, Fordham part-time is one of my absolute top choices because my job said they'd pay close to 20k if I go to law school part time, and Fordham's the only PT in NY that I would consider. If I haven't heard back from the school so far, do you think I should send a LOCI now or wait? Also, do you think it's okay to write that I'm interested in Fordham because I'll get money from my job if I go there?

When did you apply? Honestly, I would probably wait on a LOCI, because so far this cycle, no news has often been good news. A 3.3x GPA is grounds for a WL for most people, and I have seen it happen quite often even in the 168-172 range, though with URM status it shouldn't be an issue. Once you hit 170, it could go either way, from what I've seen.

I honestly think the school is just collecting data, because Fordham has admitted 179s and 180s in the past. These people are almost certainly not coming here. In the long run, people do themselves a disservice if they don't investigate why their WL happened, because in many cases it can be easily fixed. GPA is not fixable, unfortunately (I was LSAC'd down from 3.6x to 3.3x, so I know how that feels), but PS and addendum issues are.

[jl2032]

OS, do you know if there is any merit aid for PT students?

I'm worried about the 3.34, but with a 172 and a minority I thought I might get something. Am I out of luck?

PT students honestly don't get much aid. About one in five will get something, according to DB. As a URM, your chances are better than most, but I would be in contact with the admissions office if Fordham PT is something you seriously want. The money goes quickly, and a speedy acceptance is your best shot at aid.

I know you said Fordham doesn't yield protect, but they do ask where else we apply and someone on here said admissions told them they do that to see how serious we are about Fordham.

Honestly, Fordham part-time is one of my absolute top choices because my job said they'd pay close to 20k if I go to law school part time, and Fordham's the only PT in NY that I would consider. If I haven't heard back from the school so far, do you think I should send a LOCI now or wait? Also, do you think it's okay to write that I'm interested in Fordham because I'll get money from my job if I go there?

..... that is a terrible idea, imo. would you appreciate it if a guy told you "hey well i mean my mom is paying me to date you, sure, but out of ALL the girls in this town, you are the only one i could see myself getting paid to date!"

that's always been my thinking, which is why i've never brought it up... but then again, isn't a school's merit aid offer basically them paying you to date them? honestly, if i were the school, i'd rather have someone else foot the bill...

either way, I'm not writing the LOCI until I hear something

[sibley]

that's always been my thinking, which is why i've never brought it up... but then again, isn't a school's merit aid offer basically them paying you to date them? honestly, if i were the school, i'd rather have someone else foot the bill...

either way, I'm not writing the LOCI until I hear something

I know this is unrealistic and silly, but I was WL'd just a few hours after I emailed admissions asking when I could receive a decision and explaining my concern that need-based aid would be expended by the time I received my decision. WL because of financial need pops into my head. Though of course GPA is more likely.

[OperaSoprano]

that's always been my thinking, which is why i've never brought it up... but then again, isn't a school's merit aid offer basically them paying you to date them? honestly, if i were the school, i'd rather have someone else foot the bill...

either way, I'm not writing the LOCI until I hear something

I know this is unrealistic and silly, but I was WL'd just a few hours after I emailed admissions asking when I could receive a decision and explaining my concern that need-based aid would be expended by the time I received my decision. WL because of financial need pops into my head. Though of course GPA is more likely.

The school admits a ton of people with need (like me, and most of my friends). We just have to borrow. I think in your case, it's solely a GPA thing, but your LSAT is high enough that if you pursue it you should eventually get in.

[jl2032]

that's always been my thinking, which is why i've never brought it up... but then again, isn't a school's merit aid offer basically them paying you to date them? honestly, if i were the school, i'd rather have someone else foot the bill...

either way, I'm not writing the LOCI until I hear something

I know this is unrealistic and silly, but I was WL'd just a few hours after I emailed admissions asking when I could receive a decision and explaining my concern that need-based aid would be expended by the time I received my decision. WL because of financial need pops into my head. Though of course GPA is more likely.

Yeah, I think they might have been a little upset that day since it looks like we all decided to write and ask about our apps at the same time. I went back and thought I could have been nicer in my email.

Sib, you're FT though, right? Do you think you'd come over to the PT side?

[sibley]

that's always been my thinking, which is why i've never brought it up... but then again, isn't a school's merit aid offer basically them paying you to date them? honestly, if i were the school, i'd rather have someone else foot the bill...

either way, I'm not writing the LOCI until I hear something

I know this is unrealistic and silly, but I was WL'd just a few hours after I emailed admissions asking when I could receive a decision and explaining my concern that need-based aid would be expended by the time I received my decision. WL because of financial need pops into my head. Though of course GPA is more likely.

Yeah, I think they might have been a little upset that day since it looks like we all decided to write and ask about our apps at the same time. I went back and thought I could have been nicer in my email.

Sib, you're FT though, right? Do you think you'd come over to the PT side?

I really want public interest so I think my best bet is the big Dozo scholly, but when my letter comes I'll request to be considered for PT as well. My email was very pleasant, though... so I don' tthink I upset them =P

France121069's avatar makes me very very hungry

[jl2032]

that's always been my thinking, which is why i've never brought it up... but then again, isn't a school's merit aid offer basically them paying you to date them? honestly, if i were the school, i'd rather have someone else foot the bill...

either way, I'm not writing the LOCI until I hear something

I know this is unrealistic and silly, but I was WL'd just a few hours after I emailed admissions asking when I could receive a decision and explaining my concern that need-based aid would be expended by the time I received my decision. WL because of financial need pops into my head. Though of course GPA is more likely.

Yeah, I think they might have been a little upset that day since it looks like we all decided to write and ask about our apps at the same time. I went back and thought I could have been nicer in my email.

Sib, you're FT though, right? Do you think you'd come over to the PT side?

I really want public interest so I think my best bet is the big Dozo scholly, but when my letter comes I'll request to be considered for PT as well. My email was very pleasant, though... so I don' tthink I upset them =P

France121069's avatar makes me very very hungry

+1 on the cookie...

I always have a habit of writing everything out all nice and pleasant and then going back to edit it down to only exactly what I need to convey in like one or two sentences so as not to take up anyone's time. Usually works fine, but in this case, it might have seemed a little abrupt and demanding. Nothing too mean, just "I know you're very busy, but I've been waiting _____ and want to know my status"

[sibley]

I know this is unrealistic and silly, but I was WL'd just a few hours after I emailed admissions asking when I could receive a decision and explaining my concern that need-based aid would be expended by the time I received my decision. WL because of financial need pops into my head. Though of course GPA is more likely.

Yeah, I think they might have been a little upset that day since it looks like we all decided to write and ask about our apps at the same time. I went back and thought I could have been nicer in my email.

Sib, you're FT though, right? Do you think you'd come over to the PT side?

I really want public interest so I think my best bet is the big Dozo scholly, but when my letter comes I'll request to be considered for PT as well. My email was very pleasant, though... so I don' tthink I upset them =P

France121069's avatar makes me very very hungry

+1 on the cookie...

I always have a habit of writing everything out all nice and pleasant and then going back to edit it down to only exactly what I need to convey in like one or two sentences so as not to take up anyone's time. Usually works fine, but in this case, it might have seemed a little abrupt and demanding. Nothing too mean, just "I know you're very busy, but I've been waiting _____ and want to know my status"

Mine may have assumed admission, but it was only pertinent in that situation, so they can't have considered that hooty tooty. Mine was "Good morning, I've been waiting over the 8 weeks listed on your website. I do understand that you are extraordinarily busy right now, but I am concerned that by the time I receive my decision all of the need-based aid will be expended. Is it possible to apply for that ahead of time, despite the standards set on your website?" something like that. oh well.

[jl2032]

http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... oming.html

This is kind of interesting... Like we need any more rankings...


This one is even better... for all the women in the waiting room...

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I need to get back to doing real work and stay out of ATL...

[sibley]

finally figured out how to remove myself from the candidate referral service =) hopefully no more mails from detroit mercy and california online.

[jl2032]

finally figured out how to remove myself from the candidate referral service =) hopefully no more mails from detroit mercy and california online.

I didn't get any of those.

I had 2008-2009 as my application year on there forever. I wondered why I got no fee waivers this year and like a gazillion last year.

Did you see this? Placement stats for Fordham 2009 -

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=110795

[sibley]

finally figured out how to remove myself from the candidate referral service =) hopefully no more mails from detroit mercy and california online.

I didn't get any of those.

I had 2008-2009 as my application year on there forever. I wondered why I got no fee waivers this year and like a gazillion last year.

Did you see this? Placement stats for Fordham 2009 -

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=110795

wow! neat! high rollers over there!
makes sense for me to not keep trying to get in, I guess.... I want public interest. Though if I could get it WITH that 160k salary I'd be pleased.

[jl2032]

finally figured out how to remove myself from the candidate referral service =) hopefully no more mails from detroit mercy and california online.

I didn't get any of those.

I had 2008-2009 as my application year on there forever. I wondered why I got no fee waivers this year and like a gazillion last year.

Did you see this? Placement stats for Fordham 2009 -

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=110795

wow! neat! high rollers over there!
makes sense for me to not keep trying to get in, I guess.... I want public interest. Though if I could get it WITH that 160k salary I'd be pleased.

Makes no real difference to me because if I do Fordham I'll be selling my soul to my current firm forever.

Are we the only people in this room?

[sibley]

Makes no real difference to me because if I do Fordham I'll be selling my soul to my current firm forever.

Are we the only people in this room?

We are. Everyone else got out of work early, or something. The staples are avoiding the thread because they're mad at it/me/whoever else.

[even2flow]

I'm here, just moderately lurky because I'm trying to finish stuff up so I can get outta here.

Yay Friday.

[chameleon]

i went to crumbs yesterday for the first time. I'M IN LOVE, even though it is really depressing that they post the calorie count right next to the price.

so, if i got waitlisted with a 2.9/167, does that mean that they probably really liked my PS? my friend hated my essay so i would really love to hold it over his head that i was right in following my gut and submitting it. i talked about how i started an underground beta fish fighting ring in the third grade. i thought it was funny and memorable but he wanted me to write more about my engineering background.

sibley! i just got your PM because i am a lazy lazy girl. we're meeting up march 18 for cardozo, yes?? i'm thinking coffee/crumbs should be on our agenda. <3

[keg411]

Well OS and her research with admissions that even considers 3.6x's splitters confirms that Fordham <3's GPA's and hates splitters. Even for PT .