William & Mary Forum

[flchick1]

Judging by the caliber (or lack thereof, no offense anyone) of those who were waitlisted, I see maybe 1-2 people getting admitted off of it.

Is that right? Thanks for your insight, schmuck.

[dakatz]

Judging by the caliber (or lack thereof, no offense anyone) of those who were waitlisted, I see maybe 1-2 people getting admitted off of it.

Is that right? Thanks for your insight, schmuck.

Maybe the guy is just speaking for his own personal "lack of caliber". Not sure what WL people he is looking at, but this WL-fest is 2nd only to Fordham's craziness.

[sibley]

Judging by the caliber (or lack thereof, no offense anyone) of those who were waitlisted, I see maybe 1-2 people getting admitted off of it.

Is that right? Thanks for your insight, schmuck.

Maybe the guy is just speaking for his own personal "lack of caliber". Not sure what WL people he is looking at, but this WL-fest is 2nd only to Fordham's craziness.

truth

[freeman09]

This is ridiculous. We all knew it was a crap shoot so it won't hurt to act like adults.

Those with low numbers but great softs, great.

The real work has yet to begin. Some the WLs with better numbers might just get in. If so, they'll provide competition at school. The higher academic numbers mean a little something.

None of us are happy with the WL. There are people with great numbers and mixed numbers who would be a great fit. I've been waitlisted at others schools where some of the current WM admits were rejected from the get go.

Lets all move on. Most of us have great opportunities elsewhere. We can pursue things and realize one school isn't the end all.

Best of luck to all. Sending in my LOCI this week. Its a great school and the instate tuition beckons me.

[darknightbegins]

This is ridiculous. We all knew it was a crap shoot so it won't hurt to act like adults.

Those with low numbers but great softs, great.

The real work has yet to begin. Some the WLs with better numbers might just get in. If so, they'll provide competition at school. The higher academic numbers mean a little something.

None of us are happy with the WL. There are people with great numbers and mixed numbers who would be a great fit. I've been waitlisted at others schools where some of the current WM admits were rejected from the get go.

Lets all move on. Most of us have great opportunities elsewhere. We can pursue things and realize one school isn't the end all.

Best of luck to all. Sending in my LOCI this week. Its a great school and the instate tuition beckons me.

Well who isn't acting like an adult? Its one thing to bitch and moan, its something else for a poster to basically insult every person on the waitlist. Yes post on here have been accepted to other schools and received great offers but I don't see how anying isn't "acting like an adult".

[Bustang]

Judging by the caliber (or lack thereof, no offense anyone) of those who were waitlisted, I see maybe 1-2 people getting admitted off of it.

Is that right? Thanks for your insight, schmuck.

Maybe the guy is just speaking for his own personal "lack of caliber". Not sure what WL people he is looking at, but this WL-fest is 2nd only to Fordham's craziness.

Sorry, but if 50+ people with 160s/161s along with low 3.x gpas get waitlisted, that to me is a sign that people likely will not be taken off the waitlist. How many people last year were waitlisted with similar numbers? More importantly, how many of those with said numbers were admitted afterward? W&M is a high caliber school; they don't admit too many people with those kinds of stats. Reality sucks.

[mhernton]

Freeman, thanks for being magnanimous. Darknight, Don't hate the player, hate the game. Your comments about URMs not withstanding, I wish you luck in getting in, but getting pissed at us (URMs) because the adcoms saw value in letting us in or putting us on the wait list is misplacing your frustration. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and the message that you conveyed to the adcom. After seeing your posts, I certainly can't understand why you were waitlisted, you seem like a forward thinking enlightened individual with a lot to add to any discussion. Again good luck at getting in...

[r6_philly]

Sorry, but if 50+ people with 160s/161s along with low 3.x gpas get waitlisted, that to me is a sign that people likely will not be taken off the waitlist. How many people last year were waitlisted with similar numbers? More importantly, how many of those with said numbers were admitted afterward? W&M is a high caliber school; they don't admit too many people with those kinds of stats. Reality sucks.

There are also a large number of people with greater than 75% numbers getting WL'ed at the same time. If you are only referring to the subgroup of people who have 160's and 3.0's you need to specify. Calling anyone who is on the waitlist "low caliber" is just false. It is quite possible that half the waitlist are YP's and the other half are soft rejects but you didn't make that distinction. It reflects poorly on your own "caliber" if you either didn't realize that, or didn't quantify that since being concise and accurate are very valued qualities for a lawyer.

[lunu]

just sent in my LOCI.

Puerto Rican. Still in UGrad, good softs, great LORs, sob-story, 164/3(ish).

Honestly, they could've wait listed me because I applied late or because my GPA is weak or because they hated my PS. I don't know.

I really want to go to William & Mary. Really. I totally buy the citizen lawyer shtick. I'm really affected by it. If anyone's on the fence with a better option please consider withdrawing.

HA!

I seriously laughed at this.

Does Puerto Rican help your URM story? Hah nice one on the sob-story, at least you are honest about pulling out all the stops with playing up the "Poor minority" card. If I wasn't as white as the driven snow perhaps I'd be tempted to do the same, so I'm not necessarily hating on you for doing it (I just haven't decided yet). But shit, at least you are honest.

I'll bite.

let me start by saying that i was trying to distill my stats into a line or two. you shouldn't read "sob-story" as "disingenuous attempt to leverage my minority status into an undeserved admit". its actually a *sob*-story about living in poverty, trying to escape the ghetto in nyc, getting ahead but still being on the cusp of success (in the context of my desire to go to law school). being puerto rican isn't directly related to my "poor minority/urm story" but it is fundamental to my identity and therefore essential to my application.

that said, do i think the deference afforded to puerto ricans in the law school admission process is sort of unfair? sure. but, my pale friend, life is unfair. and, i promise you that the bullshit many urms have had to put up with is comparable to - say - being forced to excel on a standardize test just because you're white.

lastly, instead of wondering about whether you should hate me or not you should try pondering the following:

1. very few puerto rican males graduate from college. that's crazy! why is that?
2. wait a second, this puerto rican did alright on the lsat... but most puerto ricans can't even read! is this kid some sort of genius?
3. if i'm nice to the one puerto rican kid on campus, will he cook his delicious ethnic food for the study group? [answer: yes]

[GatorBait09]

just sent in my LOCI.

Puerto Rican. Still in UGrad, good softs, great LORs, sob-story, 164/3(ish).

Honestly, they could've wait listed me because I applied late or because my GPA is weak or because they hated my PS. I don't know.

I really want to go to William & Mary. Really. I totally buy the citizen lawyer shtick. I'm really affected by it. If anyone's on the fence with a better option please consider withdrawing.

HA!

I seriously laughed at this.

Does Puerto Rican help your URM story? Hah nice one on the sob-story, at least you are honest about pulling out all the stops with playing up the "Poor minority" card. If I wasn't as white as the driven snow perhaps I'd be tempted to do the same, so I'm not necessarily hating on you for doing it (I just haven't decided yet). But shit, at least you are honest.

I'll bite.

let me start by saying that i was trying to distill my stats into a line or two. you shouldn't read "sob-story" as "disingenuous attempt to leverage my minority status into an undeserved admit". its actually a *sob*-story about living in poverty, trying to escape the ghetto in nyc, getting ahead but still being on the cusp of success (in the context of my desire to go to law school). being puerto rican isn't directly related to my "poor minority/urm story" but it is fundamental to my identity and therefore essential to my application.

that said, do i think the deference afforded to puerto ricans in the law school admission process is sort of unfair? sure. but, my pale friend, life is unfair. and, i promise you that the bullshit many urms have had to put up with is comparable to - say - being forced to excel on a standardize test just because you're white.

lastly, instead of wondering about whether you should hate me or not you should try pondering the following:

1. very few puerto rican males graduate from college. that's crazy! why is that?
2. wait a second, this puerto rican did alright on the lsat... but most puerto ricans can't even read! is this kid some sort of genius?
3. if i'm nice to the one puerto rican kid on campus, will he cook his delicious ethnic food for the study group? [answer: yes]

Definitely keeping this in mind

[Pro Boner]

Accepted and planning to withdraw this week. Good luck!

[darknightbegins]

Freeman, thanks for being magnanimous. Darknight, Don't hate the player, hate the game. Your comments about URMs not withstanding, I wish you luck in getting in, but getting pissed at us (URMs) because the adcoms saw value in letting us in or putting us on the wait list is misplacing your frustration. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and the message that you conveyed to the adcom. After seeing your posts, I certainly can't understand why you were waitlisted, you seem like a forward thinking enlightened individual with a lot to add to any discussion. Again good luck at getting in...

I never said I was hating, I said I hadn't decided yet. In all honesty I'd probably play the same card given the same situation like I said, I would certainly be tempted. I gave you props for being honest. I'm not particularly mad at you for a system you did not create. Taking blind advantage of a flawed system might be somewhat ethically questionable but its questionable and certainly not definitive; again why I said I hadn't decided yet and how I would be tempted to do the same thing in your position.

[darknightbegins]

just sent in my LOCI.

Puerto Rican. Still in UGrad, good softs, great LORs, sob-story, 164/3(ish).

Honestly, they could've wait listed me because I applied late or because my GPA is weak or because they hated my PS. I don't know.

I really want to go to William & Mary. Really. I totally buy the citizen lawyer shtick. I'm really affected by it. If anyone's on the fence with a better option please consider withdrawing.

HA!

I seriously laughed at this.

Does Puerto Rican help your URM story? Hah nice one on the sob-story, at least you are honest about pulling out all the stops with playing up the "Poor minority" card. If I wasn't as white as the driven snow perhaps I'd be tempted to do the same, so I'm not necessarily hating on you for doing it (I just haven't decided yet). But shit, at least you are honest.

I'll bite.

let me start by saying that i was trying to distill my stats into a line or two. you shouldn't read "sob-story" as "disingenuous attempt to leverage my minority status into an undeserved admit". its actually a *sob*-story about living in poverty, trying to escape the ghetto in nyc, getting ahead but still being on the cusp of success (in the context of my desire to go to law school). being puerto rican isn't directly related to my "poor minority/urm story" but it is fundamental to my identity and therefore essential to my application.

that said, do i think the deference afforded to puerto ricans in the law school admission process is sort of unfair? sure. but, my pale friend, life is unfair. and, i promise you that the bullshit many urms have had to put up with is comparable to - say - being forced to excel on a standardize test just because you're white.

lastly, instead of wondering about whether you should hate me or not you should try pondering the following:

1. very few puerto rican males graduate from college. that's crazy! why is that?
2. wait a second, this puerto rican did alright on the lsat... but most puerto ricans can't even read! is this kid some sort of genius?
3. if i'm nice to the one puerto rican kid on campus, will he cook his delicious ethnic food for the study group? [answer: yes]

Most puerto rican kids can't read? Also I wouldn't patronize you by saying "Wow a puerto rican that isn't a flunk out piece of shit from school, must be a genius". As for why few puerto rican males graduate from college, that is opening an entire sociological discussion that deserves its own thread seperate from this one.

Although I never have had puerto rican food. I am from New Mexico and so quite familiar with Mexican food, but never had puerto rican food.

[ViIIager]

[wired]

All of the haters can take this to the off-topic lounge. We only want W&M love and infatuation in here. URM debates are so 2009.

[Padimud]

All of the haters can take this to the off-topic lounge. We only want W&M love and infatuation in here. URM debates are so 2009.

+1

Have a PM war if you want to fight over a non-issue

[Mu2mEVXER]

Although I never have had puerto rican food. I am from New Mexico and so quite familiar with Mexican food, but never had puerto rican food.

Now New Mexican food is something worth derailing any thread for. What I wouldn't do for some carne adovada right now.

[2010law]

+2

All of the haters can take this to the off-topic lounge. We only want W&M love and infatuation in here. URM debates are so 2009.

+1

Have a PM war if you want to fight over a non-issue

[becauseimaddicted]

Admitted last Friday. Anyone care to guess if there is still scholarship money available? I've received good offers from comparably ranked schools so it would be hard for me to justify paying sticker at W&M.

[flowerpot]

Waitlisted with a 168/3.3...

[APHill]

they say that scholarships and fellowships will continue to be distributed throughout the summer. However, at this point schollie offers are pretty much out of the question - you gotta wait until people withdraw...

[sibley]

they say that scholarships and fellowships will continue to be distributed throughout the summer. However, at this point schollie offers are pretty much out of the question - you gotta wait until people withdraw...

I think that the majority of spots/schollies are going to open up VERY LATE in the summer. I know I'm holding on to my waitlists and my admissions with an iron fist. This cycle is so crazy I just can't risk anything... and will gladly pay 1k in seat deposits to make sure my decision is the best one. I've withdrawn from schools that were clearly not worth it at this point, but a lot of them are still viable. schools ranked mid-60s or better I'm keeping around, basically

[wakefield]

Has anyone successfully negotiated for more merit aid?

[APHill]

I did not even though I tried. W&M has a reputation for denying most if not all aid negotiation requests, as I guess they already consider themselves cheap. You can try and talk to Faye and she will probably tell you to go and love yourself in a polite fashion.

The word on the street is that their maximum package is half-tuition, so that is what even people with 178/3.6 max out at in terms of schollie. There appear to be people who were almost full ride at T20 but were up against a wall for additional aid at W&M.

If anyone has any other experiences, please jump in.

[Padimud]

I too failed in with a similar response from their office. I do know from the Negotiations work thread that someone was able to gain 4K/year. However I have not seen much of anything over $23,200/ year renewable. That is including the work stipend.

So from what I have read/experienced, every so often they do negotiate - but like I said that wasn't a conversation they were going to have with me.