NYU 2010 Forum

[Helmholtz]

You must have really been turned off by the NYU atmosphere to have an entire school separating CLS and NYU in your mind. I had to spend weeks of anguish just deciding which NYC school I preferred, and they seem so similar in many respects. Then again, I suppose Chicago is more Columbia's peer than NYU is in terms of prestige.

For those not set on NYC biglaw, I don't think NYU offers any substantive advantage over Michigan/UVA/Penn. Not sure where Helm wants to practice, but his ranking of Chicago and the NYU/Mich/Penn is pretty on par with mine (although I have Mich over Penn/NYU) and I'm pretty set on not going to NYC.

I'm not sure it offers any substantive disadvantage, though, other than less prestige. What do you want to be when you grow up, Helm?

I want to get into international sports law.

[Lieut Kaffee]

You must have really been turned off by the NYU atmosphere to have an entire school separating CLS and NYU in your mind. I had to spend weeks of anguish just deciding which NYC school I preferred, and they seem so similar in many respects. Then again, I suppose Chicago is more Columbia's peer than NYU is in terms of prestige.

For those not set on NYC biglaw, I don't think NYU offers any substantive advantage over Michigan/UVA/Penn. Not sure where Helm wants to practice, but his ranking of Chicago and the NYU/Mich/Penn is pretty on par with mine (although I have Mich over Penn/NYU) and I'm pretty set on not going to NYC.

Edit: NYU does have a fantastic LRAP.

What is the substantive advantage of Columbia over those schools?

[violaboy]

Thanks everyone! I was gone yesterday so my mail from yesterday, I just got this morning.

Voidsix: I dedicate this one to you because you had me send in the Deans Cert that saved my applicaiton!!

That was me!!!

NYU requires a Dean's Cert??

Only if you have a record.

[02082010]

You must have really been turned off by the NYU atmosphere to have an entire school separating CLS and NYU in your mind. I had to spend weeks of anguish just deciding which NYC school I preferred, and they seem so similar in many respects. Then again, I suppose Chicago is more Columbia's peer than NYU is in terms of prestige.

For those not set on NYC biglaw, I don't think NYU offers any substantive advantage over Michigan/UVA/Penn. Not sure where Helm wants to practice, but his ranking of Chicago and the NYU/Mich/Penn is pretty on par with mine (although I have Mich over Penn/NYU) and I'm pretty set on not going to NYC.

Edit: NYU does have a fantastic LRAP.

What is the substantive advantage of Columbia over those schools?

Prestige and unmatched biglaw placement (marginally superior to Chicago's).

[Tofu]

You must have really been turned off by the NYU atmosphere to have an entire school separating CLS and NYU in your mind. I had to spend weeks of anguish just deciding which NYC school I preferred, and they seem so similar in many respects. Then again, I suppose Chicago is more Columbia's peer than NYU is in terms of prestige.

For those not set on NYC biglaw, I don't think NYU offers any substantive advantage over Michigan/UVA/Penn. Not sure where Helm wants to practice, but his ranking of Chicago and the NYU/Mich/Penn is pretty on par with mine (although I have Mich over Penn/NYU) and I'm pretty set on not going to NYC.

Edit: NYU does have a fantastic LRAP.

What is the substantive advantage of Columbia over those schools?

Prestige and unmatched biglaw placement (marginally superior to Chicago's).

i'm also going to guess that he likes morningside over greenwich, etc

and maybe him being more comfortable with the area would lead to him being happier and being able to achieve better grades? that's one possibility, anyways

[Lieut Kaffee]

No, I didn't. I probably should have seeing as they actually seem to tolerate lower GPA's this year in exchange for high LSAT's. I think the Penn/Mich/NYU tier for me has to do more with Penn and Mich moving up in my mind rather than NYU falling. NYU's redeeming qualities for me are 1) their amazing faculty and 2) their NYC biglaw placement.

Yeah, if anybody has reason to hate Cornell, I would be one of them (got my deferral last week). I could possibly see myself at UCLA was a sizable scholarship or a full-ride at WUSTL, but I'm really not comfortable paying anything close to sticker outside the T14.

I'm having similar regrets about skipping the Berkeley app. The GPA threshold and the fact that they didn't give me a waiver (while NYU, Penn, and everyone below did) were the primary reasons. Seems pointless now, since applying early provides such a nice boost over there.

[psychomohel]

You must have really been turned off by the NYU atmosphere to have an entire school separating CLS and NYU in your mind. I had to spend weeks of anguish just deciding which NYC school I preferred, and they seem so similar in many respects. Then again, I suppose Chicago is more Columbia's peer than NYU is in terms of prestige.

For those not set on NYC biglaw, I don't think NYU offers any substantive advantage over Michigan/UVA/Penn. Not sure where Helm wants to practice, but his ranking of Chicago and the NYU/Mich/Penn is pretty on par with mine (although I have Mich over Penn/NYU) and I'm pretty set on not going to NYC.

Edit: NYU does have a fantastic LRAP.

What is the substantive advantage of Columbia over those schools?

Prestige and unmatched biglaw placement (marginally superior to Chicago's).

According to Brian Leiter's Law School Rankings, Chicago outplaces NYU in the elite firms.

[02082010]

i'm also going to guess that he likes morningside over greenwich, etc

and maybe him being more comfortable with the area would let him be able to achieve better grades? who knows

Helm or me? I've never been to morningside and I though the village was pretty cool when I visited, but that was 4yrs ago.

[Tofu]

i'm also going to guess that he likes morningside over greenwich, etc

and maybe him being more comfortable with the area would let him be able to achieve better grades? who knows

Helm or me? I've never been to morningside and I though the village was pretty cool when I visited, but that was 4yrs ago.

oh, helm

[Lieut Kaffee]

According to Brian Leiter's Law School Rankings, Chicago outplaces NYU in the elite firms.

Elite non-NYC firms?

[Helmholtz]

According to Brian Leiter's Law School Rankings, Chicago outplaces NYU in the elite firms.

Nope:

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2008job_biglaw.shtml

[02082010]

Prestige and unmatched biglaw placement (marginally superior to Chicago's).

According to Brian Leiter's Law School Rankings, Chicago outplaces NYU in the elite firms.

I was referring to Columbia's unmatched biglaw placement. Columbia is followed by Chicago, it's like a 2% difference.

[Kronk]

Yeah, it's because it's full of hipsters. I'm not nearly fashionable enough to live in the village.

[Helmholtz]

i'm also going to guess that he likes morningside over greenwich, etc

and maybe him being more comfortable with the area would lead to him being happier and being able to achieve better grades? that's one possibility, anyways

This is mainly the credited response. If I would have felt lukewarm about CLS and loved NYU & Greenwich Village, I might be applying NYU ED right now.

[Helmholtz]

Yeah, it's because it's full of hipsters. I'm not nearly fashionable enough to live in the village.

This is also a credited response.

[Lieut Kaffee]

Yeah, it's because it's full of hipsters. I'm not nearly fashionable enough to live in the village.

This is also a credited response.

I don't even think I'm fashionable enough to fully understand the connotations of descriptions such as "fashionable" and "hipsters."

[crackberry]

Crack, would you consider NYU over Berktown?

No, not unless I got one of the Environmental Law Scholars Program scholarships I applied for.

I'm from NYC. I don't particularly want to go to law school there, and I don't really want to work there after graduation. (Anathema on this board I know.)

Would you?

Yeah, I would at least consider it. I'd be more likely to take Columbia than NYU over Berkeley, but I would definitely at least visit. Although I remember loathing Greenwich Village.

Yeah I'd visit for sure, but I can't imagine picking NYU at sticker over Berkeley at sticker given what I want to do (environmental law in the Bay Area). Even if you argue that NYU is equal to Berkeley with respect to job prospects in that field, I'd rather spend 3 years in Berkeley than NYC.

[crackberry]

Yeah, it's because it's full of hipsters. I'm not nearly fashionable enough to live in the village.

This is also a credited response.

I don't even think I'm fashionable enough to fully understand the connotations of descriptions such as "fashionable" and "hipsters."

Stuff hipsters like: --LinkRemoved--

Stuff hipsters hate: --LinkRemoved--

[Lieut Kaffee]

Yeah I'd visit for sure, but I can't imagine picking NYU at sticker over Berkeley at sticker given what I want to do (environmental law in the Bay Area). Even if you argue that NYU is equal to Berkeley with respect to job prospects in that field, I'd rather spend 3 years in Berkeley than NYC.

With that as your career aspiration, it looks like you've already been admitted to the most ideal scenario. I'd choose Berkeley over NYU under those criteria as well. Congrats.

[Lieut Kaffee]

Yeah, it's because it's full of hipsters. I'm not nearly fashionable enough to live in the village.

This is also a credited response.

I don't even think I'm fashionable enough to fully understand the connotations of descriptions such as "fashionable" and "hipsters."

Stuff hipsters like: --LinkRemoved--

Stuff hipsters hate: --LinkRemoved--

I'm conflicted. I do like me some Starbucks, but I'm also a fan of nice cars and home stereos.

[crackberry]

Yeah I'd visit for sure, but I can't imagine picking NYU at sticker over Berkeley at sticker given what I want to do (environmental law in the Bay Area). Even if you argue that NYU is equal to Berkeley with respect to job prospects in that field, I'd rather spend 3 years in Berkeley than NYC.

With that as your career aspiration, it looks like you've already been admitted to the most ideal scenario. I'd choose Berkeley over NYU under those criteria as well. Congrats.

Haha thank you. I appreciate it.

[Kronk]

I would much rather spend three years in Berkeley. I'd also like to stay in the Bay Area someday. So that makes Berkeley attractive. But I wouldn't mind spending some years with the NAACP or ACLU, so that makes NYU look better. I'd probably still go to Cal.

[crackberry]

I'm conflicted. I do like me some Starbucks, but I'm also a fan of nice cars and home stereos.

I think the real question is whether you enjoy or engage in any of the following: skinny jeans, excessive flannel, fixed-gear bicycles, wire-rimmed glasses (often with either no lenses or lenses that have no prescription).

[rockchalk86]

We put 15 new pages on this thread since the first decision on Friday. Good work people!

[crackberry]

I would much rather spend three years in Berkeley. I'd also like to stay in the Bay Area someday. So that makes Berkeley attractive. But I wouldn't mind spending some years with the NAACP or ACLU, so that makes NYU look better. I'd probably still go to Cal.

On another note, I don't think I could ever - in good conscience - call it "Cal." That name conjures up too many negative associations for me. I'd have to call it "Berkeley" or "Boalt." Those, for whatever reason, are more neutral.