University of Florida Forum

[allimama2]

Does anyone have a clue as to when they're gonna do another round of acceptances and rejections from the waitlist?

[trialjunky]

Admissions offer today via email!...quickly accepted!

See you in Fall

Just signed my lease today in Gville...so excited!!

[Litigious]

As some of you might know, I'm the statistics junkie on TLS. I've done this for a few other schools so I thought I'd give the UF thread the same data. A few disclaimers first:

1. my data is statistically meaningful but not perfect.
2. to some extent, we are relying on data supplied by people proven to lie and embellish (LSN data)
3. the results should be viewed as a guide that although imperfect, is the best data anyone has to go on
4. don't kill the messenger
5. remember: there are lies, damned lies and statistics...all about the same thing.

So, without further ado, here is the situation at University of Florida.

The size of the UF waitlist at high water mark was estimated at 586 people.

It is estimated that at least 22% or 128 people have already withdrawn.

It is estimated that 32 people have been accepted off the waitlist, or 5.5%.

Currently, it is estimated that there are less than 73% of the WL remaining, or less than 426 individuals. (this number is probably half that if I was to trust my gut more than the data available...I won't waste time explaining why I believe that for now)

The overall WL average LSAT/GPA and median LSAT/GPA are as follows:

WL 159.70 159
WL 3.209 3.200

Taking only WL URMs into account the average and median LSAT/GPA are as follows:

URM 161.33 159
URM 3.033 2.940

Taking only WL non-traditional students into account the average and median LSAT/GPA are as follows:

NT 156.80 157
NT 3.343 3.405


If we remove WL'd URMs and NTs from the data set, the average and median LSAT/GPA on the current WL are as follows:

WL without URM + NT 160.55 161
WL without URM + NT 3.423 3.482

A few observations to point out that are germane:

1. URMs that got WL at Florida have BETTER average/median LSAT scores than non-URMs. Therefore, Florida admissions has a belief in giving a break to URMs on grades but not on LSAT. (interesting trend)

2. Non-traditional applicants have higher GPAs and lower LSAT scores on the UF waitlist. Just as I expected and research supports, older students have a marked disadvantage on standardized tests and UF clearly has acknowledged that by taking lower LSAT scores for NTs while choosing higher GPA NTs to be waitlisted.

3. Of the data available, those that were admitted off the waitlist thus far had an average of a 163 LSAT and only a 3.10 GPA on average, 2/3rds of the time. The remaining data suggests a low LSAT and a higher GPA above 3.6. In conclusion, the data available suggests UF is going after splitters from the WL with a preference for higher LSAT scores rather than higher GPAs.


Enjoy.

[JCougar]

I'll be withdrawing from the waitlist tomorrow. Congrats to all those that got in! UF is one hell of a deal!

[OldFlorida]

As some of you might know, I'm the statistics junkie on TLS. I've done this for a few other schools so I thought I'd give the UF thread the same data. A few disclaimers first:

1. my data is statistically meaningful but not perfect.
2. to some extent, we are relying on data supplied by people proven to lie and embellish (LSN data)
3. the results should be viewed as a guide that although imperfect, is the best data anyone has to go on
4. don't kill the messenger
5. remember: there are lies, damned lies and statistics...all about the same thing.

So, without further ado, here is the situation at University of Florida.

The size of the UF waitlist at high water mark was estimated at 586 people.

It is estimated that at least 22% or 128 people have already withdrawn.

It is estimated that 32 people have been accepted off the waitlist, or 5.5%.

Currently, it is estimated that there are less than 73% of the WL remaining, or less than 426 individuals. (this number is probably half that if I was to trust my gut more than the data available...I won't waste time explaining why I believe that for now)

The overall WL average LSAT/GPA and median LSAT/GPA are as follows:

WL 159.70 159
WL 3.209 3.200

Taking only WL URMs into account the average and median LSAT/GPA are as follows:

URM 161.33 159
URM 3.033 2.940

Taking only WL non-traditional students into account the average and median LSAT/GPA are as follows:

NT 156.80 157
NT 3.343 3.405


If we remove WL'd URMs and NTs from the data set, the average and median LSAT/GPA on the current WL are as follows:

WL without URM + NT 160.55 161
WL without URM + NT 3.423 3.482

A few observations to point out that are germane:

1. URMs that got WL at Florida have BETTER average/median LSAT scores than non-URMs. Therefore, Florida admissions has a belief in giving a break to URMs on grades but not on LSAT. (interesting trend)

2. Non-traditional applicants have higher GPAs and lower LSAT scores on the UF waitlist. Just as I expected and research supports, older students have a marked disadvantage on standardized tests and UF clearly has acknowledged that by taking lower LSAT scores for NTs while choosing higher GPA NTs to be waitlisted.

3. Of the data available, those that were admitted off the waitlist thus far had an average of a 163 LSAT and only a 3.10 GPA on average, 2/3rds of the time. The remaining data suggests a low LSAT and a higher GPA above 3.6. In conclusion, the data available suggests UF is going after splitters from the WL with a preference for higher LSAT scores rather than higher GPAs.


Enjoy.

Litigious, you have drawn me out of my lurking here.

These are very interesting numbers, but could you explain where you get these numbers and how you calculate?

[trialjunky]

I'll be withdrawing from the waitlist tomorrow. Congrats to all those that got in! UF is one hell of a deal!

Sad too see you go, best of luck!!

[Litigious]

Litigious, you have drawn me out of my lurking here.

These are very interesting numbers, but could you explain where you get these numbers and how you calculate?

It would take me paragraphs to give you the very detailed statistical witchcraft which I used but let me at least give a basic primer in what i did to start before refining the data.

1. I gathered data on the schools from Lawschoolnumbers.com
2. I massaged the data using excel
3. I made key assumptions based on past year's data directly from the schools.
4. I extrapolated the known accept/admit/yield rates to the sample size from LSN which then inferred, however imperfectly, the size ratio of LSN waitlisters compared to the actual size of the real waitlist.
5. I created a reasonable formula to offset what I call "the lazy and the liars" factor. The lazy are the people that do not update their LSN accounts which I found to be pretty predictable across schools. The liars are the people that try to deceive by saying they are "pending" when it is clear they are rejects that can't be honest with themselves.
6. After completing my data sets, I rationalize it against what is probable to see if it passes the smell test.

Lastly, I try to make sure that my proposed conclusions rely on a sufficiently large subset of data to have real meaning. A general heuristic is that if your sample size is >32 you have the ability to create workable statistics. (in our case, we had a data set about 10x that size)

***Above all, these statistics are for entertainment purposes because statistics cannot account for the human factors that remain in a decision cycle at a law school. Nonetheless, I think the numbers are pretty decent. Enjoy.

[ram jam]

Litigious, you have drawn me out of my lurking here.

These are very interesting numbers, but could you explain where you get these numbers and how you calculate?

It would take me paragraphs to give you the very detailed statistical witchcraft which I used but let me at least give a basic primer in what i did to start before refining the data.

1. I gathered data on the schools from Lawschoolnumbers.com
2. I massaged the data using excel
3. I made key assumptions based on past year's data directly from the schools.
4. I extrapolated the known accept/admit/yield rates to the sample size from LSN which then inferred, however imperfectly, the size ratio of LSN waitlisters compared to the actual size of the real waitlist.
5. I created a reasonable formula to offset what I call "the lazy and the liars" factor. The lazy are the people that do not update their LSN accounts which I found to be pretty predictable across schools. The liars are the people that try to deceive by saying they are "pending" when it is clear they are rejects that can't be honest with themselves.
6. After completing my data sets, I rationalize it against what is probable to see if it passes the smell test.

Lastly, I try to make sure that my proposed conclusions rely on a sufficiently large subset of data to have real meaning. A general heuristic is that if your sample size is >32 you have the ability to create workable statistics. (in our case, we had a data set about 10x that size)

***Above all, these statistics are for entertainment purposes because statistics cannot account for the human factors that remain in a decision cycle at a law school. Nonetheless, I think the numbers are pretty decent. Enjoy.

I made it in off of the waitlist with a GPA>3.1 and a 164 LSAT. I would say that your data, while indeed rough, points to the general conclusion that splitters with high lsat/low gpas have the upper hand in getting in off the waitlist. IMO

[cigator]

Litigious, you have drawn me out of my lurking here.

These are very interesting numbers, but could you explain where you get these numbers and how you calculate?

It would take me paragraphs to give you the very detailed statistical witchcraft which I used but let me at least give a basic primer in what i did to start before refining the data.

1. I gathered data on the schools from Lawschoolnumbers.com
2. I massaged the data using excel
3. I made key assumptions based on past year's data directly from the schools.
4. I extrapolated the known accept/admit/yield rates to the sample size from LSN which then inferred, however imperfectly, the size ratio of LSN waitlisters compared to the actual size of the real waitlist.
5. I created a reasonable formula to offset what I call "the lazy and the liars" factor. The lazy are the people that do not update their LSN accounts which I found to be pretty predictable across schools. The liars are the people that try to deceive by saying they are "pending" when it is clear they are rejects that can't be honest with themselves.
6. After completing my data sets, I rationalize it against what is probable to see if it passes the smell test.

Lastly, I try to make sure that my proposed conclusions rely on a sufficiently large subset of data to have real meaning. A general heuristic is that if your sample size is >32 you have the ability to create workable statistics. (in our case, we had a data set about 10x that size)

***Above all, these statistics are for entertainment purposes because statistics cannot account for the human factors that remain in a decision cycle at a law school. Nonetheless, I think the numbers are pretty decent. Enjoy.

I made it in off of the waitlist with a GPA>3.1 and a 164 LSAT. I would say that your data, while indeed rough, points to the general conclusion that splitters with high lsat/low gpas have the upper hand in getting in off the waitlist. IMO

Seems odd, i was offered admission off of waitlist with a 162 / 3.62. I dont think that qualifies as a splitter. I was surprised to be waitlisted. Im guessing UF had a lot of higher non-splitters than me that were offered admission.

[JCougar]

It's probably a sign that they're aiming for a 162 median this year.

[JCougar]

I'll be withdrawing from the waitlist tomorrow. Congrats to all those that got in! UF is one hell of a deal!

Sad too see you go, best of luck!!

Thanks! I think I will be in good hands.

I was glad to hear that you got in...wasn't UF your first choice?

[trialjunky]

I'll be withdrawing from the waitlist tomorrow. Congrats to all those that got in! UF is one hell of a deal!

Sad too see you go, best of luck!!

Thanks! I think I will be in good hands.

I was glad to hear that you got in...wasn't UF your first choice?

Yep, I wanted to stay in FLA and it's the best here

[ScndCareertyme]

Good luck Jcougar! You'll nail it where ever you go. Thanks for creating room. I just retook the LSAT yesterday, hopefully if I bump 2-4 points they'll give me the call. take care.

[DownandOutTally]

Anyone get an email asking if you're still interested in UF?

[ScndCareertyme]

not me. i feel that i am near the middle bottom of the WL, unless the new LSAT score bumps me up.

[Gator2010]

I got an offer from the waitlist last Thursday, and I'm definitely accepting it. Good luck to everyone who's still on the list.

[ScndCareertyme]

ooooohhh shit. got the email. Im in... now gotta graple with the eternal UF/FSU delima. the June LSAT got me in!

[farewelltoarms]

Even though I got into FSU and UF long ago, out of boredom I've just read the last few pages for both threads and I just wanted to say, congratulations to the dude with the Alec Baldwin avatar. It seems as though you've been vying to get into either FSU or UF since the dawn of time, and not only have you got into 1, but now you have to make a difficult decision between the two. Props to you.

[ScndCareertyme]

thanks much farewelltoarms... yeah its been a long road, and now the hard decision and payoff. got by friday to decide on both....

[cigator]

thanks much farewelltoarms... yeah its been a long road, and now the hard decision and payoff. got by friday to decide on both....

when faced with the same, i asked around. UF won out, if for no other factor, the network in the State. I found that if you plan on working in Florida, UF has a fairly substantial edge. I really liked FSU Law, however, i couldn't get past the depth of the alumni network in the State. That sealed it for me. It's all about finding a job in 3 years. Good luck with your decision.

[JCougar]

ooooohhh shit. got the email. Im in... now gotta graple with the eternal UF/FSU delima. the June LSAT got me in!

Congrats!!

Let me solve your dilemma: go to UF for sure.

Happy to hear that you made it in!

[ScndCareertyme]

Thx! yeah i made the easy decision.. UF. was down Gville way today picking out a place. im pumped.

[trialjunky]

Does anyone know if UF gives out free word program? I know some LS do it but not all.

[cao0008]

Does anyone know if UF gives out free word program? I know some LS do it but not all.

I found this page on the website and at the end it says that they give you free anti-virus, but it doesn't say anything about free office programs. --LinkRemoved--

[misterdan]

Does anyone know if UF gives out free word program? I know some LS do it but not all.

I found this page on the website and at the end it says that they give you free anti-virus, but it doesn't say anything about free office programs. --LinkRemoved--

if you want a free alternative to microsoft office:
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http://20somethingfinance.com/the-free- ... ing-money/

there's also some pretty good free anti-virus programs out there that are much better than McAfee.