Calm down, I'm not attacking you. Here is where the dispute is. You claimed:WheninLaw wrote:Goodness. Read my posts. I did not say (or mean to imply) that the school would force Chem to recommend people. What I said was that the school is obviously well-aware of his significance on clerkships, and would encourage him to continue to do so if he took a reduced role. I envision it would be as simple as "x student is tremendous, we think she has a good shot of y clerkship."kingwhereofis wrote:Our professors are given almost absolute academic freedom. They can teach how they want, research what they want, recommend who they want, use whatever materials they want. It is just one way that we've attracted a faculty that ranks 6th in the nation.WheninLaw wrote:You're not saying anything of substance. Tell me how the community works.kingwhereofis wrote:Again, no offense, but that's just not how our community works.WheninLaw wrote:You are really harping on singular words and ignoring the general point. Of course, UCI is not going to waterboard Chem until he calls twenty judges. But whomever the new Dean is + career services + clerkship office will certainly encourage him to reach out on behalf of star students.
@Yeezy, bringing UCI down? To the contrary. I'm a big UCI fan, and have encouraged my employers to hire them. But the notion that Chem's absence will not have an appreciable effect on employment rates is fiction.
No one pressures, and indeed never would pressure, the Dean or any professor to recommend any more students than he or she wanted.
I truly, TRULY do not understand what (or why) you are disputing here. Sure, UCI's faculty is great, but every law professor has "absolute academic freedom." Every Dean recommends students for clerkships, why wouldn't they? My ultimate point was that assuming Chem does not leave, the clerkship rate will decrease, but stay healthy. That's it.
You then softened that statement claiming:The school is obviously well-aware of Chem's placement power (despite the assertions to the contrary above), and would push hard to keep that train moving.
I disagreed with those statements based on my experience of the community here, the fact that our professors love to talk about how much academic freedom they've been given here at UCI, how collegiate the community is overall, and my observations of faculty interactions with other faculty members and the administration in general.whomever the new Dean is + career services + clerkship office will certainly encourage him to reach out on behalf of star students
I can't speak to whether or not other law schools are the same way--all I know is it is pretty unthinkable that anyone would dare to encourage our Dean to recommend any more students than he wanted. I don't know why you're being so defensive. I'm a UCI student, I'm allowed to give my opinion on matters that concern UCI to admitted students. You're allowed to disagree. We can all get along.
