Yale c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[Studybuddy17]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there has been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

[notsonotorious]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there have been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

as is their prerogative

[HonestlyThough]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there has been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

Well, when you have lots of excellent applicants, it doesn't surprise me that those who have likely had significant obstacles to overcome would be the ones favored for admission.

like, I get it. It's frustrating to not get in, especially when you feel like your stats are stellar and your recs are good and your essay is good and like...why did they not want to admit you? I really feel that. It's tough. You're left wondering what you could have done differently or better within the realm of possibility. When I look at past years, there is almost no one with stats equal or above mine who didn't get in. Like...why am I the "unlucky" one? But that's how the cookie crumbles. Yale isn't out to make us feel badly or like failures. If they took URM candidates with lower scores, its because they think those potential students still exemplified the ability to accomplish amazing things and to excel at yale. they're bringing something to the table.

[notsonotorious]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there has been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

Well, when you have lots of excellent applicants, it doesn't surprise me that those who have likely had significant obstacles to overcome would be the ones favored for admission.

like, I get it. It's frustrating to not get in, especially when you feel like your stats are stellar and your recs are good and your essay is good and like...why did they not want to admit you? I really feel that. It's tough. You're left wondering what you could have done differently or better within the realm of possibility. When I look at past years, there is almost no one with stats equal or above mine who didn't get in. Like...why am I the "unlucky" one? But that's how the cookie crumbles. Yale isn't out to make us feel badly or like failures. If they took URM candidates with lower scores, its because they think those potential students still exemplified the ability to accomplish amazing things and to excel at yale. they're bringing something to the table.

I just remind myself that this is how the world becomes a more just place. ALSO no one on this board doesn't have other amazing options, so I don't feel bad for anyone

[Studybuddy17]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there has been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

Well, when you have lots of excellent applicants, it doesn't surprise me that those who have likely had significant obstacles to overcome would be the ones favored for admission.

like, I get it. It's frustrating to not get in, especially when you feel like your stats are stellar and your recs are good and your essay is good and like...why did they not want to admit you? I really feel that. It's tough. You're left wondering what you could have done differently or better within the realm of possibility. When I look at past years, there is almost no one with stats equal or above mine who didn't get in. Like...why am I the "unlucky" one? But that's how the cookie crumbles. Yale isn't out to make us feel badly or like failures. If they took URM candidates with lower scores, its because they think those potential students still exemplified the ability to accomplish amazing things and to excel at yale. they're bringing something to the table.

I just remind myself that this is how the world becomes a more just place. ALSO no one on this board doesn't have other amazing options, so I don't feel bad for anyone

What you are all saying is definitely true, it's just hard to absorb the reality of having worked so hard with everything in my capacity to build up excellent stats and still being rejected. But that is life, and with such a small pool of uber-qualified admits that is to be expected. I just hope that the progressive interests of rightfully providing URM's with opportunity, do not preclude the sometimes equally hard working and disadvantaged (just not underrepresented) from achieving their dreams

[HonestlyThough]

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there has been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

Well, when you have lots of excellent applicants, it doesn't surprise me that those who have likely had significant obstacles to overcome would be the ones favored for admission.

like, I get it. It's frustrating to not get in, especially when you feel like your stats are stellar and your recs are good and your essay is good and like...why did they not want to admit you? I really feel that. It's tough. You're left wondering what you could have done differently or better within the realm of possibility. When I look at past years, there is almost no one with stats equal or above mine who didn't get in. Like...why am I the "unlucky" one? But that's how the cookie crumbles. Yale isn't out to make us feel badly or like failures. If they took URM candidates with lower scores, its because they think those potential students still exemplified the ability to accomplish amazing things and to excel at yale. they're bringing something to the table.

I just remind myself that this is how the world becomes a more just place. ALSO no one on this board doesn't have other amazing options, so I don't feel bad for anyone

What you are all saying is definitely true, it's just hard to absorb the reality of having worked so hard with everything in my capacity to build up excellent stats and still being rejected. But that is life, and with such a small pool of uber-qualified admits that is to be expected. I just hope that the progressive interests of rightfully providing URM's with opportunity, do not preclude the sometimes equally hard working and disadvantaged (just not underrepresented) from achieving their dreams

I think notorious hits it on the head: this is (hopefully) how the world becomes a more just place. Opening avenues of power and resources and connections to entire communities all too often cut off from them. And yes, that means sometimes there will be casualties in the form of people who lose opportunities and aren't traditionally privileged or part of the "educated elite". I'm the first gen in my family to go to grad school. Mom didn't go to undergrad, even. But I've still had a lot of advantages and avoided a lot of hardships

[Monday]

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[Studybuddy17]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there have been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

I suppose I was curious of the intent behind your illogical comment. YLS certainly makes a concerted effort in soliciting applications from URMs (including other minorities such as LGBTQ persons) but setting aside the messier variable of yield rate, the class make-up wrt TLS-defined URM is about the same across HYS.

I just hope that the progressive interests of rightfully providing URM's with opportunity, do not preclude the sometimes equally hard working and disadvantaged (just not underrepresented) from achieving their dreams

Not attending Yale will not prevent anyone from achieving their dreams.

Your logic seems quite flawed. If not attending Yale will not prevent anyone from achieving their dreams, then attending Yale (for a URM) won't provide them with that benefit either.

[Studybuddy17]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Yes, YLS has accepted non-URMs this cycle...If your "overwhelming number of admits" doesn't mean 100% of admits, then you already knew this.

of course they have. On LSN, at least half of admits are non URM.

Right, I obviously am aware that they have accepted non-URM's but it seems like there have been an enormous focus on URM's at Yale in comparison to other schools

I suppose I was curious of the intent behind your illogical comment. YLS certainly makes a concerted effort in soliciting applications from URMs (including other minorities such as LGBTQ persons) but setting aside the messier variable of yield rate, the class make-up wrt TLS-defined URM is about the same across HYS.

I just hope that the progressive interests of rightfully providing URM's with opportunity, do not preclude the sometimes equally hard working and disadvantaged (just not underrepresented) from achieving their dreams

Not attending Yale will not prevent anyone from achieving their dreams.

Your logic seems quite flawed. If not attending Yale will not prevent anyone from achieving their dreams, then attending Yale (for a URM) won't provide them with that benefit either.

Yale has always been my dream school with their unique combination of small class size, a superb faculty, and unparalleled opportunity for unicorn jobs. One is entitled to dream for such things.

[notsonotorious]

Your logic seems quite flawed. If not attending Yale will not prevent anyone from achieving their dreams, then attending Yale (for a URM) won't provide them with that benefit either.

Come on. You know full well what he meant. If you don't get into Yale and go to Columbia instead you'll be just fine. A URM with so-so stats that doesn't get into Yale, may quite possibly not get into a t14 school. Anyway, this is all so silly. Be happy for the opportunities that you and others are all getting. Edit: why can't we all just get along?

[MrJD2020]

I just hope that the progressive interests of rightfully providing URM's with opportunity, do not preclude the sometimes equally hard working and disadvantaged (just not underrepresented) from achieving their dreams

And I would hope that equally hardworking and disadvantaged people who don't happen to be URMs nevertheless communicated their hardships/disadvantages in their applications, because schools have no way of knowing what you don't tell them. I have a sneaking suspicion that many people who aren't URMs but who have important stories to tell don't tell them as often as they should -- and that's a shame.

[seeprybyrun]

Has YLS accepted any non-URM's this cycle? Just from a cursory glance at TLS/LSN it seems like an overwhelming number of admits are URM

Last year 42% of Yale's admitted class were students of color.
https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profile ... ss-profile

By comparison, the racial makeup of the United States in 2013 was about 63% white, and it's probably decreased a bit since then.

[MrJD2020]

Your logic seems quite flawed. If not attending Yale will not prevent anyone from achieving their dreams, then attending Yale (for a URM) won't provide them with that benefit either.

Come on. You know full well what he meant. If you don't get into Yale and go to Columbia instead you'll be just fine. A URM with so-so stats that doesn't get into Yale, may quite possibly not get into a t14 school. Anyway, this is all so silly. Be happy for the opportunities that you and others are all getting. Edit: why can't we all just get along?

1. Yes, let's all get along.

2. I doubt that an URM who doesn't get into Yale but who has "so-so stats" will fail to get into any other T14.

3. Let's remember that URM or non-URM, regardless of our life experiences and regardless of the strength of our applications, almost NONE of us will ever go to Yale.

[drjekyllope]

Yale has always been my dream school with their unique combination of small class size, a superb faculty, and unparalleled opportunity for unicorn jobs. One is entitled to dream for such things.

entitled, eh? nice word choice there, bruh.
real talk tho, i have never thought myself entitled to shit, not even dreams. dreams like that are for yt ppl.

[pretzeltime]

and to think this thread almost made it through the whole cycle without the good ol URM conversation

[notsonotorious]

Yale has always been my dream school with their unique combination of small class size, a superb faculty, and unparalleled opportunity for unicorn jobs. One is entitled to dream for such things.

entitled, eh? nice word choice there, bruh.
real talk tho, i have never thought myself entitled to shit, not even dreams. dreams like that are for yt ppl.

i can't post imgs yet, otherwise i would post this http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-con ... if-111.gif

[notsonotorious]

Yale has always been my dream school with their unique combination of small class size, a superb faculty, and unparalleled opportunity for unicorn jobs. One is entitled to dream for such things.

entitled, eh? nice word choice there, bruh.
real talk tho, i have never thought myself entitled to shit, not even dreams. dreams like that are for yt ppl.

i can't post imgs yet, otherwise i would post this http://www.gifimagesdownload.com/wp-con ... if-111.gif

just passed 100, yay

[Studybuddy17]

Yale has always been my dream school with their unique combination of small class size, a superb faculty, and unparalleled opportunity for unicorn jobs. One is entitled to dream for such things.

entitled, eh? nice word choice there, bruh.
real talk tho, i have never thought myself entitled to shit, not even dreams. dreams like that are for yt ppl.

I'm glad you are so humble and self-deprecating. Anyone in the world, yes, anyone is entitled to dream.
I posed an honest question and was immediately bombarded with degrading and snide comments. If anyone wants to know what truly hinders opportunity and achievement it is narrow-minded obstinate and unaccepting people that pose the real obstacles. Meanwhile this has been a nice prep for dealing with some disrespectful over-zealous individuals that I will likely encounter in law school

[Monday]

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[dietcoke1]

and to think this thread almost made it through the whole cycle without the good ol URM conversation

yeah I thought the Columbia-interviews-URMs-to-see-if-they-really-are-URMS scandal would have been enough

[SybillAnnDorsett]

I'm really glad I missed all of that.

[notsonotorious]

I posed an honest question and was immediately bombarded with degrading and snide comments

First of all, there's nothing about a question being honest that makes it immune from criticism. Particularly one about race, duh.

Secondly, the subtext of the way you asked, then re-asked, and then responded to our responses, gave us some clues as to what you seemed to be getting at.

Even despite that, multiple respondents (myself included) semi-empathized but felt the need to point out some things you seemed to be overlooking (like, it's not all about you; you will be just fine with your alternative options, etc). Nevertheless, you chose to get offended and take it personally. Alas. At this point, all I can say is, good luck.

[dyebri]

It's not fair that urnms get an advantage. This isn't fucked yo to say. We're all dealing with our own problems

[whatislife]

It's not fair that urnms get an advantage. This isn't fucked yo to say. We're all dealing with our own problems

The ad com knows that. That's why they have the whole "holistic review" thing, and why URMs aren't admitted *just* because they are URMs but rather based on the perspective they developed because of that. If you had your own fair share of problems that you dealt with, you had an equal opportunity to talk about that in your application.

[law-school-3458]

What you are all saying is definitely true, it's just hard to absorb the reality of having worked so hard with everything in my capacity to build up excellent stats and still being rejected.

+1. Thanks for being willing to ask these questions. I wouldn't say I have a firm opinion either way on race and admissions, but too often only one side gets represented in debate and treated like the obviously correct answer - whereas I think it's definitely an open question whether this practice is truly just or fair.