UGA c/o 2019 Applicants (2015-2016) Forum

[OLitch]

. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, so you are welcome.

[Maplesyrup]

Someone in the admissions office is more qualified that I am to speak about subjectively qualified v. unqualified students and scholarship tiers. It doesn't seem to make sense why UGA would discriminate against highly qualified in-state residents - what would be the point of that?
I find it hard to put too much stock in data points that are quantitatively and qualitatively sparse. If you are unhappy with the scholarship amount you have been offered, let admissions know your situation with regard to other scholarships and negotiate.

FWIW, a couple of my classmates that were 168+ LSATs were WL'ed or flat out rejected at state flagship universities in their home state. Who knows what the reasoning was behind that?

Regardless of whether or not the points you've assembled are accurate, UGA has announced improvements to the scholarship program this year, so that's good for your cycle. As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I can unequivocally say that Georgia Law isn't predominantly out of state students - that's something everybody finds out on the first day of orientation.

I am sure the students you are referring to with 168+ LSAT scores are from states like Virginia, Michigan, California, maybe Texas, that have extremely competitive state flagship universities (and I am sure that these applicants received in-state tuition fee waivers and more money than their in-state counterparts with similar stats). The points I have assembled are accurate and have been verified using the University of Georgia Law website and the University System of Georgia website. As far as my data points being "quantitatively and qualitatively sparse", let's use US News to back my opinion. Last year the 75th percentile scholarship package was $10,000/yr. Numerous in-state TLS posters and myself have stats that put us well above the 75th percentile of students attending UGA (probably well above the 75th percentile of those attending with scholarships, the LSAC law school calculator gives my stats a 90-100% chance of acceptance), so it would seem that I would be given a scholarship package greater than the 75th percentile. Yet, like everyone else with stats similar to mine or better, I was offered $5,000/yr. I don't doubt that many of the students at UGA law are classified as in-state students and may have even been residents of Georgia before attending, that is not what this "debate" is about. When I stated that demographically speaking the majority of faculty, staff, and students at UGA are most likely not Georgians (meaning they are transplants, their families are not historically from Georgia), regardless of whether or not they are Georgia residents (this is not anecdotal, it's just the truth, a population doesn't naturally rise from 2.2 million in 1900 to 6.5 million in 1990 to over 10 million in 2016, it's just not a natural growth rate). I think someone with reasonable intelligence, like a law student, could understand the difference between where someone grew up and lives versus where someone is actually from. The reason I threw that comment into my previous arguments is due to the fact that transplants may feel that they are entitled to benefits from the state they are currently residing in, and therefore, they may be more inclined to feel that others who are going to be incoming transplants are entitled to the same benefits. As for why in-state students are discriminated against in terms of scholarship dollars, I have no idea why the University of Georgia would do such a thing. I would assume corruption, as they are manipulating the system every time they advise out-of-state students that they can have in-state tuition for their second and third years. If the out-of-state student moved to Georgia before law school started, got a job before law school started, and retained that job through the entirety of their first 12 months in the State of Georgia that would be a different situation. You're in law school, you should understand about principles. It's not the fact that UGA Law is lowballing in-state applicants, it's the fact that they are doing something that seems less-than-legitimate. In all fairness, not a dime of taxpayer money should be spent on out-of-state students.

As for your advice to negotiate scholarship amounts, I think it is sound advice and will be negotiating.

I just read this ridiculous post from a couple weeks ago. Please don't come to UGA. Not only is this terrible reasoning but it could be construed as deeply discriminatory. Are you seriously trying to make a meaningful distinction between where "somebody grew up and lives versus where they are from"? And a distinction between people born in Georgia but their parents were not versus people whose grandparents were born in Georgia? Great-grandparents? Where does this distinction end for you? Do you believe you deserve more money because your great great granddaddy fought for the Confederacy?
UGA tries to recruit the most qualified applicants across the Southeast and the country. Don't get butt hurt because you were initially offered a smaller scholarship- they raise everyone's throughout the cycle anyways.

Unfortunately, individuals like yourself may be attending UGA, based on your logical reasoning skills I would almost guarantee that you attend UGA (162 median LSAT). UGA is failing at recruiting, that is why their LSAT scores have dropped. What is worse is that they are failing Georgians. Georgia law has enough Georgia residents with high LSAT scores that they could be doing much better than they currently are, and save money by not giving in-state tuition equalizers to out-of-state applicants. There is a huge difference between where someone is born and where they are from. Unfortunately in the United States, that has been forgotten. Based on your opinions, I would hope that you are not at UGA, but I fear that you may be. It is sad that someone like you, who most likely has no ties to the State of Georgia, would be telling a Georgian to not go to UGA. Of course individuals who descend from the original families of a state or a country deserve more funding, their families have invested more time, money, energy into the state. If you founded a company, and put all of the time and effort into making that company profitable, would you want someone walking right in a reaping all of the benefits? However, that was not my main argument when it came to scholarships, it was that Georgia residents (including all those non-Georgians that pay state income taxes to Georgia) be given greater financial aid packages than non-residents. That makes logical sense even in the "politically correct" world, because Georgia Law is funded by taxes collected from Georgia residents. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, and the families of many Confederate descendants, so you are welcome.

you are a dummy

[robertwabisabi]

.......Of course individuals who descend from the original families of a state or a country deserve more funding, their families have invested more time, money, energy into the state. If you founded a company, and put all of the time and effort into making that company profitable, would you want someone walking right in a reaping all of the benefits? However, that was not my main argument when it came to scholarships, it was that Georgia residents (including all those non-Georgians that pay state income taxes to Georgia) be given greater financial aid packages than non-residents. That makes logical sense even in the "politically correct" world, because Georgia Law is funded by taxes collected from Georgia residents. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, and the families of many Confederate descendants, so you are welcome.

If you are interested in having a legitimate discussion regarding in-state vs. oos, I would encourage you to review the information regarding what percentage of the UGA law budget comes from public financing (state AND federal) vs. private financing and endowment funding.

You might want to start with open.georgia.gov.

I am not going to have this discussion with you but I thought you should know that your understanding of how UGA Law is financed is a bit outdated and inaccurate.

I think, though, you have successfully convinced me to decline my acceptance and scholarship to UGA. So cheers to you if your goal was to scare away oos students.

[OLitch]

.......Of course individuals who descend from the original families of a state or a country deserve more funding, their families have invested more time, money, energy into the state. If you founded a company, and put all of the time and effort into making that company profitable, would you want someone walking right in a reaping all of the benefits? However, that was not my main argument when it came to scholarships, it was that Georgia residents (including all those non-Georgians that pay state income taxes to Georgia) be given greater financial aid packages than non-residents. That makes logical sense even in the "politically correct" world, because Georgia Law is funded by taxes collected from Georgia residents. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, and the families of many Confederate descendants, so you are welcome.

If you are interested in having a legitimate discussion regarding in-state vs. oos, I would encourage you to review the information regarding what percentage of the UGA law budget comes from public financing (state AND federal) vs. private financing and endowment funding.

You might want to start with open.georgia.gov.

I am not going to have this discussion with you but I thought you should know that your understanding of how UGA Law is financed is a bit outdated and inaccurate.

I think, though, you have successfully convinced me to decline my acceptance and scholarship to UGA. So cheers to you if your goal was to scare away oos students.

How did this ass hat convince you to decline UGA? This person does not represent Georgians nor the LS.

[robertwabisabi]

.......Of course individuals who descend from the original families of a state or a country deserve more funding, their families have invested more time, money, energy into the state. If you founded a company, and put all of the time and effort into making that company profitable, would you want someone walking right in a reaping all of the benefits? However, that was not my main argument when it came to scholarships, it was that Georgia residents (including all those non-Georgians that pay state income taxes to Georgia) be given greater financial aid packages than non-residents. That makes logical sense even in the "politically correct" world, because Georgia Law is funded by taxes collected from Georgia residents. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, and the families of many Confederate descendants, so you are welcome.

If you are interested in having a legitimate discussion regarding in-state vs. oos, I would encourage you to review the information regarding what percentage of the UGA law budget comes from public financing (state AND federal) vs. private financing and endowment funding.

You might want to start with open.georgia.gov.

I am not going to have this discussion with you but I thought you should know that your understanding of how UGA Law is financed is a bit outdated and inaccurate.

I think, though, you have successfully convinced me to decline my acceptance and scholarship to UGA. So cheers to you if your goal was to scare away oos students.

How did this ass hat convince you to decline UGA? This person does not represent Georgians nor the LS.

I know he is not representative of the state. I also believe that every law school probably has one (or more) loud obnoxious person that demands to be heard. I have actually had some great correspondences with alumni and current students over the past couple of weeks.

Since receiving the acceptance offer from UGA, I have received offers from other law schools with bigger merit scholarships. I was kind of on the fence anyway about whether to withdraw even before reading the little diatribe.

ETA: I still think UGA and Athens sound amazing. I don't know. I think I am still undecided.

[Meursault]

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[robertwabisabi]

In light of the absurdity above, I'd like to get the thread refocused on its intent, namely, the admissions cycle. As offered several pages back, I'm a current 1L and would be happy to take questions (via pm) about the school.

Having gotten grades back/ experienced the 1L job hunt I feel I can give an honest assessment of the school (from a 1L perspective) without being a salesman.

Best of luck on everyone's continuing cycles.

+1

Sorry for prolonging the conversation.

[A. Nony Mouse]

It seems to have died down, but please don't derail the thread with debates over how a state university should/shouldn't treat out-of-state students v. in-state students. If the conversation continues please do report those posts. Thanks.

[MacDhubstep]

Did anyone who was accepted get offered a travel voucher? I am on the waitlist, but if I am offered a spot I'd like to use a voucher to tour the school.

[bdb90]

Someone in the admissions office is more qualified that I am to speak about subjectively qualified v. unqualified students and scholarship tiers. It doesn't seem to make sense why UGA would discriminate against highly qualified in-state residents - what would be the point of that?
I find it hard to put too much stock in data points that are quantitatively and qualitatively sparse. If you are unhappy with the scholarship amount you have been offered, let admissions know your situation with regard to other scholarships and negotiate.

FWIW, a couple of my classmates that were 168+ LSATs were WL'ed or flat out rejected at state flagship universities in their home state. Who knows what the reasoning was behind that?

Regardless of whether or not the points you've assembled are accurate, UGA has announced improvements to the scholarship program this year, so that's good for your cycle. As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I can unequivocally say that Georgia Law isn't predominantly out of state students - that's something everybody finds out on the first day of orientation.

I am sure the students you are referring to with 168+ LSAT scores are from states like Virginia, Michigan, California, maybe Texas, that have extremely competitive state flagship universities (and I am sure that these applicants received in-state tuition fee waivers and more money than their in-state counterparts with similar stats). The points I have assembled are accurate and have been verified using the University of Georgia Law website and the University System of Georgia website. As far as my data points being "quantitatively and qualitatively sparse", let's use US News to back my opinion. Last year the 75th percentile scholarship package was $10,000/yr. Numerous in-state TLS posters and myself have stats that put us well above the 75th percentile of students attending UGA (probably well above the 75th percentile of those attending with scholarships, the LSAC law school calculator gives my stats a 90-100% chance of acceptance), so it would seem that I would be given a scholarship package greater than the 75th percentile. Yet, like everyone else with stats similar to mine or better, I was offered $5,000/yr. I don't doubt that many of the students at UGA law are classified as in-state students and may have even been residents of Georgia before attending, that is not what this "debate" is about. When I stated that demographically speaking the majority of faculty, staff, and students at UGA are most likely not Georgians (meaning they are transplants, their families are not historically from Georgia), regardless of whether or not they are Georgia residents (this is not anecdotal, it's just the truth, a population doesn't naturally rise from 2.2 million in 1900 to 6.5 million in 1990 to over 10 million in 2016, it's just not a natural growth rate). I think someone with reasonable intelligence, like a law student, could understand the difference between where someone grew up and lives versus where someone is actually from. The reason I threw that comment into my previous arguments is due to the fact that transplants may feel that they are entitled to benefits from the state they are currently residing in, and therefore, they may be more inclined to feel that others who are going to be incoming transplants are entitled to the same benefits. As for why in-state students are discriminated against in terms of scholarship dollars, I have no idea why the University of Georgia would do such a thing. I would assume corruption, as they are manipulating the system every time they advise out-of-state students that they can have in-state tuition for their second and third years. If the out-of-state student moved to Georgia before law school started, got a job before law school started, and retained that job through the entirety of their first 12 months in the State of Georgia that would be a different situation. You're in law school, you should understand about principles. It's not the fact that UGA Law is lowballing in-state applicants, it's the fact that they are doing something that seems less-than-legitimate. In all fairness, not a dime of taxpayer money should be spent on out-of-state students.

As for your advice to negotiate scholarship amounts, I think it is sound advice and will be negotiating.

I just read this ridiculous post from a couple weeks ago. Please don't come to UGA. Not only is this terrible reasoning but it could be construed as deeply discriminatory. Are you seriously trying to make a meaningful distinction between where "somebody grew up and lives versus where they are from"? And a distinction between people born in Georgia but their parents were not versus people whose grandparents were born in Georgia? Great-grandparents? Where does this distinction end for you? Do you believe you deserve more money because your great great granddaddy fought for the Confederacy?
UGA tries to recruit the most qualified applicants across the Southeast and the country. Don't get butt hurt because you were initially offered a smaller scholarship- they raise everyone's throughout the cycle anyways.

Unfortunately, individuals like yourself may be attending UGA, based on your logical reasoning skills I would almost guarantee that you attend UGA (162 median LSAT). UGA is failing at recruiting, that is why their LSAT scores have dropped. What is worse is that they are failing Georgians. Georgia law has enough Georgia residents with high LSAT scores that they could be doing much better than they currently are, and save money by not giving in-state tuition equalizers to out-of-state applicants. There is a huge difference between where someone is born and where they are from. Unfortunately in the United States, that has been forgotten. Based on your opinions, I would hope that you are not at UGA, but I fear that you may be. It is sad that someone like you, who most likely has no ties to the State of Georgia, would be telling a Georgian to not go to UGA. Of course individuals who descend from the original families of a state or a country deserve more funding, their families have invested more time, money, energy into the state. If you founded a company, and put all of the time and effort into making that company profitable, would you want someone walking right in a reaping all of the benefits? However, that was not my main argument when it came to scholarships, it was that Georgia residents (including all those non-Georgians that pay state income taxes to Georgia) be given greater financial aid packages than non-residents. That makes logical sense even in the "politically correct" world, because Georgia Law is funded by taxes collected from Georgia residents. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, and the families of many Confederate descendants, so you are welcome.

you are a dummy

That's right, that's why I was not accepted to UGA. Oh wait, that was you. What are you even doing on a thread for a school that didn't accept you?

[bdb90]

It seems to have died down, but please don't derail the thread with debates over how a state university should/shouldn't treat out-of-state students v. in-state students. If the conversation continues please do report those posts. Thanks.

I will stop derailing the thread. I apologize, just trying to vent.

[bdb90]

Did anyone who was accepted get offered a travel voucher? I am on the waitlist, but if I am offered a spot I'd like to use a voucher to tour the school.

No travel voucher was included in the acceptance materials, but I am sure you could ask for one. At the very least they would probably pay for gas for your drive there and back.

[Maplesyrup]

Someone in the admissions office is more qualified that I am to speak about subjectively qualified v. unqualified students and scholarship tiers. It doesn't seem to make sense why UGA would discriminate against highly qualified in-state residents - what would be the point of that?
I find it hard to put too much stock in data points that are quantitatively and qualitatively sparse. If you are unhappy with the scholarship amount you have been offered, let admissions know your situation with regard to other scholarships and negotiate.

FWIW, a couple of my classmates that were 168+ LSATs were WL'ed or flat out rejected at state flagship universities in their home state. Who knows what the reasoning was behind that?

Regardless of whether or not the points you've assembled are accurate, UGA has announced improvements to the scholarship program this year, so that's good for your cycle. As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I can unequivocally say that Georgia Law isn't predominantly out of state students - that's something everybody finds out on the first day of orientation.

I am sure the students you are referring to with 168+ LSAT scores are from states like Virginia, Michigan, California, maybe Texas, that have extremely competitive state flagship universities (and I am sure that these applicants received in-state tuition fee waivers and more money than their in-state counterparts with similar stats). The points I have assembled are accurate and have been verified using the University of Georgia Law website and the University System of Georgia website. As far as my data points being "quantitatively and qualitatively sparse", let's use US News to back my opinion. Last year the 75th percentile scholarship package was $10,000/yr. Numerous in-state TLS posters and myself have stats that put us well above the 75th percentile of students attending UGA (probably well above the 75th percentile of those attending with scholarships, the LSAC law school calculator gives my stats a 90-100% chance of acceptance), so it would seem that I would be given a scholarship package greater than the 75th percentile. Yet, like everyone else with stats similar to mine or better, I was offered $5,000/yr. I don't doubt that many of the students at UGA law are classified as in-state students and may have even been residents of Georgia before attending, that is not what this "debate" is about. When I stated that demographically speaking the majority of faculty, staff, and students at UGA are most likely not Georgians (meaning they are transplants, their families are not historically from Georgia), regardless of whether or not they are Georgia residents (this is not anecdotal, it's just the truth, a population doesn't naturally rise from 2.2 million in 1900 to 6.5 million in 1990 to over 10 million in 2016, it's just not a natural growth rate). I think someone with reasonable intelligence, like a law student, could understand the difference between where someone grew up and lives versus where someone is actually from. The reason I threw that comment into my previous arguments is due to the fact that transplants may feel that they are entitled to benefits from the state they are currently residing in, and therefore, they may be more inclined to feel that others who are going to be incoming transplants are entitled to the same benefits. As for why in-state students are discriminated against in terms of scholarship dollars, I have no idea why the University of Georgia would do such a thing. I would assume corruption, as they are manipulating the system every time they advise out-of-state students that they can have in-state tuition for their second and third years. If the out-of-state student moved to Georgia before law school started, got a job before law school started, and retained that job through the entirety of their first 12 months in the State of Georgia that would be a different situation. You're in law school, you should understand about principles. It's not the fact that UGA Law is lowballing in-state applicants, it's the fact that they are doing something that seems less-than-legitimate. In all fairness, not a dime of taxpayer money should be spent on out-of-state students.

As for your advice to negotiate scholarship amounts, I think it is sound advice and will be negotiating.

I just read this ridiculous post from a couple weeks ago. Please don't come to UGA. Not only is this terrible reasoning but it could be construed as deeply discriminatory. Are you seriously trying to make a meaningful distinction between where "somebody grew up and lives versus where they are from"? And a distinction between people born in Georgia but their parents were not versus people whose grandparents were born in Georgia? Great-grandparents? Where does this distinction end for you? Do you believe you deserve more money because your great great granddaddy fought for the Confederacy?
UGA tries to recruit the most qualified applicants across the Southeast and the country. Don't get butt hurt because you were initially offered a smaller scholarship- they raise everyone's throughout the cycle anyways.

Unfortunately, individuals like yourself may be attending UGA, based on your logical reasoning skills I would almost guarantee that you attend UGA (162 median LSAT). UGA is failing at recruiting, that is why their LSAT scores have dropped. What is worse is that they are failing Georgians. Georgia law has enough Georgia residents with high LSAT scores that they could be doing much better than they currently are, and save money by not giving in-state tuition equalizers to out-of-state applicants. There is a huge difference between where someone is born and where they are from. Unfortunately in the United States, that has been forgotten. Based on your opinions, I would hope that you are not at UGA, but I fear that you may be. It is sad that someone like you, who most likely has no ties to the State of Georgia, would be telling a Georgian to not go to UGA. Of course individuals who descend from the original families of a state or a country deserve more funding, their families have invested more time, money, energy into the state. If you founded a company, and put all of the time and effort into making that company profitable, would you want someone walking right in a reaping all of the benefits? However, that was not my main argument when it came to scholarships, it was that Georgia residents (including all those non-Georgians that pay state income taxes to Georgia) be given greater financial aid packages than non-residents. That makes logical sense even in the "politically correct" world, because Georgia Law is funded by taxes collected from Georgia residents. The State of Georgia would not exist if it was not for my family, and the families of many Confederate descendants, so you are welcome.

you are a dummy

That's right, that's why I was not accepted to UGA. Oh wait, that was you. What are you even doing on a thread for a school that didn't accept you?

if thats how you feel then you should keep your pathetic ass out of the emory thread.

user has been warned not to derail this thread by continuing this discussion

[gregfootball2001]

UGA Law grad here. I grew up in the North, but moved to Georgia about two years before I attended UGA. I didn't grow up here, my family didn't help create Georgia or the United States in general. I did get in-state pricing, with a very small scholly tacked on later. Everyone was extremely nice to me. I worked my butt off, did well, and got a great job with a mid-size firm in Atlanta, paying market.

So, rather than attacking others, let's keep this thread about this great school. If you have any questions for me, or for that poor 1L in the midst of things, post 'em here.

[MacDhubstep]

Did anyone who was accepted get offered a travel voucher? I am on the waitlist, but if I am offered a spot I'd like to use a voucher to tour the school.

No travel voucher was included in the acceptance materials, but I am sure you could ask for one. At the very least they would probably pay for gas for your drive there and back.

Ahh okay. I might just ask them to take my name off the waitlist then. I'm flying to Atlanta in March and was hoping to potentially get some aid for the trip.

[lawlawlaw22]

Applied early November and still no response. What the heck.

[LandMermaid]

Submitted 2/8, accepted 2/10 by email!! First acceptance this cycle... thought I was going to have to wait at least a couple weeks to start hearing back

[LandMermaid]

jfc just found scholarship info in my spam box by accident ... 10/10 recommend double checking yours if you haven't already

[phdtraveler]

Accepted via email! Went complete on 2/9!

[lawschoolletsgo]

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[GApeach1]

Accepted via email! Went complete on 2/9!

Congrats!

[fishpaste1]

Accepted via email this morning! Went complete on 1/29.

Still waiting (hopefully) on scholarship info.

Edit: Received the tuition equalizer scholarship + some more money on top of that. Pretty sweet deal.

[Maplesyrup]

in off waitlist

[soccerchick]

in off waitlist

How did you find out?? I'm on the waitlist as well, and you're the first person I've heard of getting off it!

[Maplesyrup]

in off waitlist

How did you find out?? I'm on the waitlist as well, and you're the first person I've heard of getting off it!

i actually got a call last friday, i was asked if i was interested in coming off and then the email came today, will pm stats