WUSTL Class of 2019 Applicants Forum

Scalvert · Post by **Scalvert** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:34 am

thelincolnlawyer wrote:
Scalvert wrote: Also, has anyone gotten a scholarship email over the weekend?
Still nothing here.

One thing I noticed (at least according to LSN) is that nobody who's been accepted with less than a 168 seems to have an offer yet. Now that Oct scores are out, the wait may be even longer.

KMart · Post by **KMart** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:21 am

Scalvert wrote:
thelincolnlawyer wrote:
Scalvert wrote: Also, has anyone gotten a scholarship email over the weekend?
Still nothing here.
One thing I noticed (at least according to LSN) is that nobody who's been accepted with less than a 168 seems to have an offer yet. Now that Oct scores are out, the wait may be even longer.

Last year it took a long, long time.

Scalvert · Post by **Scalvert** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:18 am

KMart wrote:
Scalvert wrote:
thelincolnlawyer wrote:
Scalvert wrote: Also, has anyone gotten a scholarship email over the weekend?
Still nothing here.
One thing I noticed (at least according to LSN) is that nobody who's been accepted with less than a 168 seems to have an offer yet. Now that Oct scores are out, the wait may be even longer.
Last year it took a long, long time.

that's what I was afraid of. Do you remember how late?
I'm guessing close to seat deposit time?

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:39 am

mch08 wrote:Georgetown and Cornell, Maybe NW but don't have full-time WE. I was just thinking of going ED because full-tuition would be hard to pass up, don't know if I could get that during regular admissions, doubt I'll get much from any T14 either.

You should certainly be able to negotiate to a full scholarship through regular admission.

ltbenn · Post by **ltbenn** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:48 pm

In just now!

Submitted 10/23, Interview request 10/26, Interview 10/27.

If only every school was such a quick process!

benwyatt · Post by **benwyatt** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:52 pm

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Petrichor · Post by **Petrichor** » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:12 pm

wow in..fastest turn around ever..

KMart · Post by **KMart** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:45 am

Scalvert wrote: that's what I was afraid of. Do you remember how late?
I'm guessing close to seat deposit time?

I think it was probably ~6 weeks before seat deposits were due.

TetrisBlock · Post by **TetrisBlock** » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:55 pm

I've only been here a few months, but I like St. Louis. There are only a few neighborhoods for going out in, but that was more than undergrad for me, and more than I was used to before. I mostly just stick to the loop and CWE and don't go to soulard or the grove very often. I don't see where the "objectively bad" thing comes from. It's not NY, but it has different, coherent neighborhoods, professional sports teams (although I'd like to have basketball as well), a nice park, and free museums/zoo. I really like my neighborhood and I feel like living where I do in another city (such as Atlanta) would be twice as expensive.

PeanutsNJam wrote:
mch08 wrote:Georgetown and Cornell, Maybe NW but don't have full-time WE. I was just thinking of going ED because full-tuition would be hard to pass up, don't know if I could get that during regular admissions, doubt I'll get much from any T14 either.
You should certainly be able to negotiate to a full scholarship through regular admission.

Seconding this, but you'll have to wait until spring. I feel like people started getting random/solicited increases in February and they went through April (first deposit deadline) and slowed down after that.

susanlata · Post by **susanlata** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:32 am

In this morning! First acceptance! Hoping that my scholly email is on the way

Submitted on 10/18 and interviewed on 10/28. Wish every other school is this fast!

susanlata · Post by **susanlata** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:34 am

Just being curious, does everybody simply reply a "thank you" to the acceptance email, or something else, or nothing?

Scalvert · Post by **Scalvert** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:24 am

susanlata wrote:Just being curious, does everybody simply reply a "thank you" to the acceptance email, or something else, or nothing?

http://www.annaivey.com/iveyfiles/2011/ ... _negotiate

susanlata · Post by **susanlata** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:54 am

Scalvert wrote:
susanlata wrote:Just being curious, does everybody simply reply a "thank you" to the acceptance email, or something else, or nothing?
http://www.annaivey.com/iveyfiles/2011/ ... _negotiate

Wow thanks! So do those accepted in this thread reply to the acceptance email with inquiry on scholly info, or simply quietly wait for their scholly email?

Scalvert · Post by **Scalvert** » Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:25 am

susanlata wrote:
Scalvert wrote:
susanlata wrote:Just being curious, does everybody simply reply a "thank you" to the acceptance email, or something else, or nothing?
http://www.annaivey.com/iveyfiles/2011/ ... _negotiate
Wow thanks! So do those accepted in this thread reply to the acceptance email with inquiry on scholly info, or simply quietly wait for their scholly email?

The only thing that I've followed up with an email has been an interview. I have sent emails with specific questions, although not about scholly info. I figure that they are super busy and will send it as soon as possible. (Although that doesn't keep me from speculating ITT

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mornincounselor · Post by **mornincounselor** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:15 am

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LET'S GET IT · Post by **LET'S GET IT** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:36 am

mornincounselor wrote:For the interviews whats the break down of you asking them vs them asking you. Is it okay to ask general law school questions as well as questions about things specific to the school?

It varies from person to person but probably something like 10 minutes of each. And I think general LS questions are fine.

Oh, and to the question of e-mailing thank you to the acceptance e-mail, don't do that. And definitively don't respond to an acceptance e-mail asking about a scholarship. That's just tacky.

mornincounselor · Post by **mornincounselor** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:17 am

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sox49 · Post by **sox49** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:11 am

how long are the phone interviews? the website says 20 minutes but I was wondering if this is about par for everyone. trying to take care of this on my lunch break sometime this week.

LET'S GET IT · Post by **LET'S GET IT** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:32 pm

mornincounselor wrote:
LET'S GET IT wrote:
mornincounselor wrote:For the interviews whats the break down of you asking them vs them asking you. Is it okay to ask general law school questions as well as questions about things specific to the school?
It varies from person to person but probably something like 10 minutes of each. And I think general LS questions are fine.

Oh, and to the question of e-mailing thank you to the acceptance e-mail, don't do that. And definitively don't respond to an acceptance e-mail asking about a scholarship. That's just tacky.
Are you a student here? (Assuming yes, then--)

Is it possible to get and browse practice tests / outlines and the like prior to signing up for a class? Is this common?

What about courses that are taught by multiple professors? I assume 1l's chat up upperclassmen and find that a particular version of the class is "better" and then it's some kind of rush to the registar/lottery system? Or am I wrong about that.
Ex (Corps, Evidence, etc.)

Have you noticed the supposed grade inflation?
Have you noticed the supposed high number of "fake diagnosed illnesses resulting in time extensions"?
Care to elaborate?

Competitiveness on a scale of 1-10.

(Anwser at your leasure, I don't see a "Ask WUSTL student/grad thread" anywhere

Yeah current WUSTL 2L.

Tests/Outlines: The library has old exams for most profs/classes. PAD has an outline bank and there are other outlines floating around for most classes if you ask around. That being said, I don't know of anyone who has looked at this stuff before signing up for a class. Looking at the exams wouldn't mean much. You'd be better served talking to people who have had that class with that prof. Also for 1L, you don't get a choice about what profs you have for what classes. Plus looking at an exam wouldn't tell you whether the exam was hard or not because you wouldn't really know much about what you were looking at and most 1L exams look pretty much the same. For upper level classes, hearing from students will be much more valuable than looking at exams/outlines to gauge whether you should take/avoid a particular class or prof.

For classes taught by more than one prof (or even those that aren't for that matter), it's pretty easy to get a sense of who to take and who to avoid. Again, talking to upperclassmen is going to be the way to go here. They can tell you who's better/harder/less work what have you.

Wrt registering, there is no lottery. It's a speed race and 3L's get the first choice. That being said, I've so far gotten everything I wanted as a 2L. The waitlist moves a lot too because you are allowed to sign up for more hours than you can actually take and figure it out later. So you will get everything you want as a 3L and pretty much everything you want as a 2L. 1L's don't have any choices, so it won't matter then.

Grade inflation: it's not "supposed". As you probably know, law school exams are graded on a forced curve, and WUSTL has (I believe) the highest median GPA of any law school in the nation so a student who is median here will have a substantially higher GPA than most other law schools.

Extra Time: That certainly was a serious issue with my class, yes. Frankly even though our class had more people doing it than other classes, I would expect this to become a more and more common occurrence, both here and at any other school. When you are being graded on a forced curve, it means you not only are competing against the material, but also your peers. Some people are willing to do almost anything to gain an advantage unfortunately. I don't see that changing any time soon, especially at a place like WUSTL where the high paying jobs are attainable, but you have to have grades to get them. It's probably less of a problem at a Harvard where anyone who wants a firm job gets one, and also at a TTT where no one is getting a firm job. WUSTL is in a weird place in the in between where there are haves and have nots and people are very judgmental about things like that. Which leads me to.....

Competitiveness: I assume you mean how bad are the gunners? Our class (current 2L's) was bad. This is pretty widely known I think. Even a couple profs have told me our class has a reputation as being terrible. I think our class was an outlier, the other classes seem to be much more chill. Keep in mind, in a class of 200, if 10 are terrible, it can pretty much make the whole class seem bad. That being said, what I said above also applies. You are going to have gunners at any law school and I think WUSTL being where we are in terms of rankings/jobs puts us in a unique position. The same person who guns hard here may not if they were at Harvard and were sure getting a firm gig was not going to be an issue.

Oh, also

mornincounselor wrote:I don't see a "Ask WUSTL student/grad thread" anywhere

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=130775

There don't seem to be as many current students/recent grads around TLS this cycle as there have been in the past couple, so anyone who has questions about anything, feel free to PM me.

AMajorChord · Post by **AMajorChord** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:15 pm

sox49 wrote:how long are the phone interviews? the website says 20 minutes but I was wondering if this is about par for everyone. trying to take care of this on my lunch break sometime this week.

Mine was like 33 but could've easily been 20 if I didn't babble

jfernandes16 · Post by **jfernandes16** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:00 pm

My interview was close to 50 minutes. It was a pretty even exchange of questions and her talking and telling me about the school. I had a woman named Naomi, and she was incredibly nice and from a similar background as myself.

gunnerzilla · Post by **gunnerzilla** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:29 pm

Checking in

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:56 pm

Don't stress at all about the interview. An interview is like the 5th date. If she's agreed to it, she already likes you, just don't do anything to really screw things up. It's not like other law schools where it's a lot more critical to your admissions chances.

I'm a 1L too, and can take questions. Personally, I try to stay out of drama, so if there's shit going down, I wouldn't know. It's not extreme, but there are a lot of people who came into WUSTL thinking they'll be top 10%, and are supremely disappointed with median/barely above median grades for a midterm or a closed memo.

Something like 30% of the students here are on a full ride or more, but they seem to be deluded into thinking they're one of the few with a full ride, and just think they're smarter than everybody else. A lot of judgments based on cold call ability (which has 0 bearing on exam grades). Entitlement. FWIW, I know a person who came here on a full ride and did very poorly on the K midterm, and another 40k/yr who also did not do well. There is practically no correlation between scholarship $ and exam performance, nor is there any correlation between in-class performance and exam performance.

That's not to say that exam grading isn't merit based (personally I think it is, and an A midterm was substantially different from a B midterm for sure), but law school exams test you on skills different from what it takes to answer professors' in class questions.

WheatThins · Post by **WheatThins** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:21 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Don't stress at all about the interview. An interview is like the 5th date. If she's agreed to it, she already likes you, just don't do anything to really screw things up. It's not like other law schools where it's a lot more critical to your admissions chances.

I'm a 1L too, and can take questions. Personally, I try to stay out of drama, so if there's shit going down, I wouldn't know. It's not extreme, but there are a lot of people who came into WUSTL thinking they'll be top 10%, and are supremely disappointed with median/barely above median grades for a midterm or a closed memo.

Something like 30% of the students here are on a full ride or more, but they seem to be deluded into thinking they're one of the few with a full ride, and just think they're smarter than everybody else. A lot of judgments based on cold call ability (which has 0 bearing on exam grades). Entitlement. FWIW, I know a person who came here on a full ride and did very poorly on the K midterm, and another 40k/yr who also did not do well. There is practically no correlation between scholarship $ and exam performance, nor is there any correlation between in-class performance and exam performance.

That's not to say that exam grading isn't merit based (personally I think it is, and an A midterm was substantially different from a B midterm for sure), but law school exams test you on skills different from what it takes to answer professors' in class questions.

Not to get you too down, but there is also no correlation between a midterm "grade" and a final grade.

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:55 pm

WheatThins wrote:Not to get you too down, but there is also no correlation between a midterm "grade" and a final grade.

I don't know what makes you think I think there is any correlation, but I agree with you that a good midterm grades does not suggest a good final grade. I've heard stories of people who got an A, got cocky, and didn't work as hard, and people who got really low grades who completely overhauled their study method and approach to exam taking, and they basically traded grades for the final.