Duke University School of Law C/O 2019 Applicants Forum

[Dexter97]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

[proteinshake]

Spivey just tweeted that Duke's US News ranking got pushed down to #11, UMich back up at #8

[hopefuljumbo23]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

[proteinshake]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

doubt it...Duke used to have a 170 LSAT while Mich had a 169 (if I remember correctly) and was still ranked below it.

[lymenheimer]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

Medians are already out for the cycle

[hopefuljumbo23]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

Medians are already out for the cycle

Publicly available? Or you mean they've been calculated, just not posted?

[lymenheimer]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

Medians are already out for the cycle

Publicly available? Or you mean they've been calculated, just not posted?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=252395
Or did you mean our class of 2019, as in, "people will base their decision off of usnwr and will cause duke's medians to drop this fall"?

[proteinshake]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

Medians are already out for the cycle

Publicly available? Or you mean they've been calculated, just not posted?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=252395
Or did you mean our class of 2019, as in, "people will base their decision off of usnwr and will cause duke's medians to drop this fall"?

pretty sure that's what OP means. and probably not since Duke has always had a higher median GPA and LSAT than Michigan.

[hopefuljumbo23]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

Medians are already out for the cycle

Publicly available? Or you mean they've been calculated, just not posted?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=252395
Or did you mean our class of 2019, as in, "people will base their decision off of usnwr and will cause duke's medians to drop this fall"?

pretty sure that's what OP means. and probably not since Duke has always had a higher median GPA and LSAT than Michigan.

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

[proteinshake]

Alright Duke, time to let me in now that youre in free fall!

+100. Any chance their LSAT median will drop? Lol...

Medians are already out for the cycle

Publicly available? Or you mean they've been calculated, just not posted?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 2&t=252395
Or did you mean our class of 2019, as in, "people will base their decision off of usnwr and will cause duke's medians to drop this fall"?

pretty sure that's what OP means. and probably not since Duke has always had a higher median GPA and LSAT than Michigan.

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

I still feel like most applicant think Duke > Mich, but I could be wrong. just seems to be the general perception (from my experience).

[RZ5646]

I still feel like most applicant think Duke > Mich, but I could be wrong. just seems to be the general perception (from my experience).

That's what I thought too, but historically Michigan has way more prestige ( = much more valuable alumni network), and it seems that Michigan is rebounding, and I'd rather be at a rising school than a falling one.

[urbanist11]

I still feel like most applicant think Duke > Mich, but I could be wrong. just seems to be the general perception (from my experience).

That's what I thought too, but historically Michigan has way more prestige ( = much more valuable alumni network), and it seems that Michigan is rebounding, and I'd rather be at a rising school than a falling one.

lolololol get the fuck out

[lymenheimer]

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

I think you're still confused. The medians are current until our class matriculates. Medians won't report a drop until after we start classes. A drop in the medians won't cause under-enrollment for the same class.

[proteinshake]

I still feel like most applicant think Duke > Mich, but I could be wrong. just seems to be the general perception (from my experience).

That's what I thought too, but historically Michigan has way more prestige ( = much more valuable alumni network), and it seems that Michigan is rebounding, and I'd rather be at a rising school than a falling one.

lolololol get the fuck out

lmao

[lymenheimer]

That's what I thought too, but historically Michigan has way more prestige ( = much more valuable alumni network), and it seems that Michigan is rebounding, and I'd rather be at a rising school than a falling one.

lolololol get the fuck out

Also, this.

[RZ5646]

That's what I thought too, but historically Michigan has way more prestige ( = much more valuable alumni network), and it seems that Michigan is rebounding, and I'd rather be at a rising school than a falling one.

lolololol get the fuck out

Also, this.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Duke and Michigan are basically even in my opinion (depends on what region you want to end up in), but I think some people ITT are seriously underestimating Michigan. It used to be one of the very best schools, and this ratings jump might herald a return to its former prestige. And that former prestige means there are a ton of Michigan grads in high places.

[hopefuljumbo23]

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

I think you're still confused. The medians are current until our class matriculates. Medians won't report a drop until after we start classes. A drop in the medians won't cause under-enrollment for the same class.

That makes sense. Medians are calculated based on the enrolled class - not admitted students. Duh.

I'm an idiot - ignore me, sorry.

[magicmagic]

Okay, so was there ever a consensus about denying the financial aid interview? I sent them an email about being poor, very concerned about need-based aid, not interviewing until 4/13, Duke is first choice, etc...I figured they wouldn't care but I gave it a try. I received a very short response that they would be adding a "few" more interview slots and they I could either look out for those or opt out of the optional interview. Waiting until 4/13 to interview/receive an offer will eliminate basically all of my other law school options, which is not great. Would opting out remove me from financial aid consideration...? But why would they suggest cancelling the interview if it would disqualify me? I obviously care and am interested in attending or I wouldn't have sent the email.

Help.

[lymenheimer]

Okay, so was there ever a consensus about denying the financial aid interview? I sent them an email about being poor, very concerned about need-based aid, not interviewing until 4/13, Duke is first choice, etc...I figured they wouldn't care but I gave it a try. I received a very short response that they would be adding a "few" more interview slots and they I could either look out for those or opt out of the optional interview. Waiting until 4/13 to interview/receive an offer will eliminate basically all of my other law school options, which is not great. Would opting out remove me from financial aid consideration...? But why would they suggest cancelling the interview if it would disqualify me? I obviously care and am interested in attending or I wouldn't have sent the email.

Help.

It's an optional interview. You're waaaaaaay overthinking it.

[lymenheimer]

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

I think you're still confused. The medians are current until our class matriculates. Medians won't report a drop until after we start classes. A drop in the medians won't cause under-enrollment for the same class.

That makes sense. Medians are calculated based on the enrolled class - not admitted students. Duh.

I'm an idiot - ignore me, sorry.

I mean, the drop in rankings could have an effect on enrollment, but I doubt it would affect those individuals who are super committed anyways. I can see it pushing people to Michigan who have the Duke/Mich question. So it may result in a few waitlist --> admit decisions. But those might be the people who would withdraw anyways, and idk if it would be so extreme as to cause under-enrollment. So there's no way to really quantify the effect of the drop.

[hopefuljumbo23]

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

I think you're still confused. The medians are current until our class matriculates. Medians won't report a drop until after we start classes. A drop in the medians won't cause under-enrollment for the same class.

That makes sense. Medians are calculated based on the enrolled class - not admitted students. Duh.

I'm an idiot - ignore me, sorry.

I mean, the drop in rankings could have an effect on enrollment, but I doubt it would affect those individuals who are super committed anyways. I can see it pushing people to Michigan who have the Duke/Mich question. So it may result in a few waitlist --> admit decisions. But those might be the people who would withdraw anyways, and idk if it would be so extreme as to cause under-enrollment. So there's no way to really quantify the effect of the drop.

Yes, true. Thanks for the reply.

[Shootin]

Yeah, the second one. Somewhat convoluted logic - I know that I'll prob be waitlisted, so if medians drop, they'll probably initially under-enroll, which means maybe I'll get an offer? Lols.

I think you're still confused. The medians are current until our class matriculates. Medians won't report a drop until after we start classes. A drop in the medians won't cause under-enrollment for the same class.

That makes sense. Medians are calculated based on the enrolled class - not admitted students. Duh.

I'm an idiot - ignore me, sorry.

I mean, the drop in rankings could have an effect on enrollment, but I doubt it would affect those individuals who are super committed anyways. I can see it pushing people to Michigan who have the Duke/Mich question. So it may result in a few waitlist --> admit decisions. But those might be the people who would withdraw anyways, and idk if it would be so extreme as to cause under-enrollment. So there's no way to really quantify the effect of the drop.

The drop in rank will most definitely have an effect in enrollment. This is great news for WL people at duke. Just think how many people simply go to the highest ranked law school they got into. And duke-mich is one thing that may sway people, but now all of a sudden a guy with a sizeable scholly at northwestern/cornell might not be able to justify higher price of duke.

[Duggiiee]

Had my financial aid interview this morning. Interviewed with Dean Hoye (is this normal?). He is so relaxed, friendly, welcoming. I could go on and on about the pleasant nature of that interview.

Good luck for everyone waiting on a decision or about to interview!

[lymenheimer]

I mean, the drop in rankings could have an effect on enrollment, but I doubt it would affect those individuals who are super committed anyways. I can see it pushing people to Michigan who have the Duke/Mich question. So it may result in a few waitlist --> admit decisions. But those might be the people who would withdraw anyways, and idk if it would be so extreme as to cause under-enrollment. So there's no way to really quantify the effect of the drop.

The drop in rank will most definitely have an effect in enrollment. This is great news for WL people at duke. Just think how many people simply go to the highest ranked law school they got into. And duke-mich is one thing that may sway people, but now all of a sudden a guy with a sizeable scholly at northwestern/cornell might not be able to justify higher price of duke.

Again, there's no way to quantify that effect, so there's no reason to expect that it will cause a different outcome this cycle than in cycles past (ie. expect some waitlist movement as per usual, but nothing drastic).

[RZ5646]

Had my financial aid interview this morning. Interviewed with Dean Hoye (is this normal?). He is so relaxed, friendly, welcoming. I could go on and on about the pleasant nature of that interview.

Good luck for everyone waiting on a decision or about to interview!

I'll never understand how everyone on TLS seems to actually enjoy interviews. What's the secret?