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[bizzybone1313]

This is an impressive post for someone so new to the site. You should update it throughout the cycle. It would probably be good idea sometime in January after December LSAT scores and a few other times during cycle.

[Br3v]

Here is a snapshot (as of 2012/11/29) of the LSN applicants who have either applied or intend to apply to the T14 for the 2012-2013 cycle. (Although it is quite obvious, the numbers listed are LSAT/GPA.)

Total Number of Applicants: 496
Min: 141 / 2.36
Max: 180 / 4.18
25th Percentile: 165 / 3.5
75th Percentile: 172 / 3.9
Median: 168 / 3.71
Mean: 168 / 3.65

From the total above, here is a breakdown of each of the special applicant groups as of right now:

Under-Represented Minorities: 71
Max: 141 / 2.36
Max: 177 / 4.1
25th Percentile: 158 / 3.23
75th Percentile: 166 / 3.8
Median: 162 / 3.6
Mean: 162 / 3.49

Non-Traditional Applicants: 41
Min: 153 / 2.7
Max: 178 / 4.1
25th Percentile: 160 / 3.3
75th Percentile: 172 / 3.82
Median: 166 / 3.53
Mean: 166 / 3.55

International Applicants: 12
Min: 157 / 3.45
Max: 176 / 4.1
25th Percentile: 162 / 3.7
75th Percentile: 168 / 3.85
Median: 172 / 3.9
Mean: 167 / 3.84

Lastly, just to give an idea of the relativity of this sample size, based off of the 2012 data, the total entering class size for all of the T14 combined was 4434, so even if 100% of the current applicants on LSN who have applied to the T14 this cycle were accepted, they would only make up around 11% of the total number of matriculating applicants. Of course, many applicants who will take the December of February LSAT will start flowing in later, but the above gives a decent image of what the current pool looks like for those of us who applied early.

great post. Good job. Would be interesting to at least see a snapshot at end of cycle, then future cycles can keep it up and know what to expect.

[orbbs]

Great job and some really interesting data!

[jym_dawg]

Although I know we're competing against the complete applicant pool, I'd be very interested in seeing the stats excluding all the special interest groups... just for giggles.

Also, this is awesome.

ETA: "special interest groups"... Proof I've been writing political science research papers for the past 3 days. Finals are quickly making me lose my mind.

[sinfiery]

Decent stats.
Great campus.
TLS/LSN lawschool is gonna kick Cornell out of the T14

[jym_dawg]

You forgot about the cute mascot. Kitty > bear

[geary86]

International Applicants: 12
Min: 157 / 3.45
Max: 176 / 4.1
25th Percentile: 162 / 3.7
75th Percentile: 168 / 3.85
Median: 172 / 3.9
Mean: 167 / 3.84

wow... Medians stand at 172/3.9 for international applicants?

Although the sample size is small, this makes me want to hang myself

[sinfiery]

You forgot about the cute mascot. Kitty > bear

I'm totally down with the kitty.


If I win the powerball tonight, this is going to happen.

[applepiecrust]

International Applicants: 12
Min: 157 / 3.45
Max: 176 / 4.1
25th Percentile: 162 / 3.7
75th Percentile: 168 / 3.85
Median: 172 / 3.9
Mean: 167 / 3.84

wow... Medians stand at 172/3.9 for international applicants?

Although the sample size is small, this makes me want to hang myself

I am confused; how is median higher than the 75th percentile? Did those get switched?

[jym_dawg]

I'm also a bit surprised the LSAT means and medians are largely identical. Doesn't that imply a perfectly normal distribution? If anything, I'd expect the mean to skew right because LSN seems to attract a disproportionate share of very high scorers.

(Disclaimer: my statistical knowledge is between zero and nil)

[helix23]

This is an impressive post for someone so new to the site. You should update it throughout the cycle. It would probably be good idea sometime in January after December LSAT scores and a few other times during cycle.

This. You should add totals as well. e.g. # with LSAT above 170, # with GPA above 3.75, etc.

Thanks for this

[John_rizzy_rawls]

The 75th for URMs is 166? Whoa.

Also, make it unanimous: great post, very useful.

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[geary86]

International Applicants: 12
Min: 157 / 3.45
Max: 176 / 4.1
25th Percentile: 162 / 3.7
75th Percentile: 168 / 3.85
Median: 172 / 3.9
Mean: 167 / 3.84

wow... Medians stand at 172/3.9 for international applicants?

Although the sample size is small, this makes me want to hang myself

I am confused; how is median higher than the 75th percentile? Did those get switched?

Oh looks like that's the case...

168 / 3.85 sounds much more reasonable

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[geary86]

I just got done uploading the 2011-2012 data so that anyone who wants to compare it to what is currently on LSN can do so.

More than LSAT scores or GPA, the thing that surprised me the most was the fact that there are only 496 users who have applied or plan on applying to the T14 this cycle thus far, whereas the total number of such applicants by the end of last cycle was over 3 times this number (1630). Some possible factors could be:
1) December & February test takers haven't created accounts on LSN yet
2) Less people are now using LSN than in previous years
3) Users in past years didn't create accounts and register for a cycle until much later in the cycle
4) The applicant pool itself has significantly dropped

If two-thirds of applicants have yet to apply, or if the numbers have really just exorbitantly dropped off this cycle, we might be in for an interesting ride. (Then again, I don't really know the history of application trends... I figured that a majority of applicants would have applied or at least have an intention to apply before December. Does anyone know if the surge of December/February test takers who apply the following fall is really that huge?)

Crossing my fingers for #4!!!! PLEASE

[LSATSCORES2012]

I just got done uploading the 2011-2012 data so that anyone who wants to compare it to what is currently on LSN can do so.

More than LSAT scores or GPA, the thing that surprised me the most was the fact that there are only 496 users who have applied or plan on applying to the T14 this cycle thus far, whereas the total number of such applicants by the end of last cycle was over 3 times this number (1630). Some possible factors could be:
1) December & February test takers haven't created accounts on LSN yet
2) Less people are now using LSN than in previous years
3) Users in past years didn't create accounts and register for a cycle until much later in the cycle
4) The applicant pool itself has significantly dropped

If two-thirds of applicants have yet to apply, or if the numbers have really just exorbitantly dropped off this cycle, we might be in for an interesting ride. (Then again, I don't really know the history of application trends... I figured that a majority of applicants would have applied or at least have an intention to apply before December. Does anyone know if the surge of December/February test takers who apply the following fall is really that huge?)

It seems like a little less than half of applicants apply by early January (but 2/3 to 3/4 of T14 competitive applicants). http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/la ... plies.html

ETA: I wish there was some way to tell how many people were on LSN at this point last year. Too bad someone didn't make a thread like yours then! (Or maybe they did?)

Here is data as of January 20th for the T14... maybe we can take another look at that point. http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 7&t=176548

In the 2010-2011 cycle, on February 8th, someone listed the number of pages in each of the top 20 schools. Here are those of the T14 (I have put this years number SO FAR in parentheses):

Yale - 2 (1)
Harvard - 4 (2)
Stanford - 3 (2)
Columbia - 5 (3)
Chicago - 4 (2)
NYU - 5 (3)
Berkeley - 5 (3)
Penn - 4 (3)
Michigan - 5 (3)
Virgnia - 7 (3)
Duke - 6 (3)
Northwestern - 3 (2)
Cornell - 5 (3)
Georgetown - 7 (3)

[helix23]

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I am confused; how is median higher than the 75th percentile? Did those get switched

Yes... sorry about that. I just fixed it.

This. You should add totals as well. e.g. # with LSAT above 170, # with GPA above 3.75, etc.

Good idea! I just added this info.

Awesome! Thank you.

[helix23]

I hope you continue to update this.

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[bernaldiaz]

ETA: I wish there was some way to tell how many people were on LSN at this point last year. Too bad someone didn't make a thread like yours then! (Or maybe they did?)

http://archive.org/web/web.php

Way Back Machine may do the trick if you want to put in the work to crunch the numbers.

[dproduct]

Great work OP.

[jym_dawg]

This thread keeps getting more and more awesome. Definitely great work! Thanks for all the stats.