Stanford C/O 2016 Applicants Thread Forum

[Kretzy]

Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!

[spicyyoda17]

Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!

Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!

[Kretzy]

Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!

Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!

Not a problem. This site was super helpful to me when applying!

1. I would say the number of people looking for jobs can be counted on one hand. They include people seeking high-end public interest work and maybe a person or two who was no-offered. My group of friends, about 40 or so, all have jobs. About half are clerking next year and half are starting at firms (with one or two doing PI).

2. OCI was actually kinda fun. Everyone I know that truly did OCI (10+ interviews) got a position through it, regardless of grades. A few people didn't get their top choice market (generally SF, if grades were really bad, like 0-1 Hs bad), and a couple of people got non-market paying. This was a big exception to the norm, though.

Personality really mattered at OCI. Most people had 3-6 Hs. At that point, you've shown you can do the work and distinguish yourself in certain classes, and that's all most firms really needed. There are 15 or so firms that it's only worth applying to if you're top 1/3 (probably more Hs than Ps), but I have friends at V5 firms who were well below median and no law review.

I tend to think things are getting better, if slowly.

I interviewed in D.C., with absolutely no ties, and it's a relatively tough market. That said, with okay (but not great grades), I managed 3 offers, including from some of the "tougher" firms to get. Lots of SLSers want D.C., probably even more than want SF, so it can be tough. But most people who really wanted to be in D.C. got to be, or back-doored a split with their NYC or LA-based firms to spend 4-5 weeks in the D.C. office.

Also, in terms of clerkships, my class absolutely killed it. More than 1/3 are clerking next year or the year after. If people applied widely, they tended to get a clerkship. The sheer breadth of clerkship placement, including for folks at median without SLR, is a very, very compelling reason to choose SLS. I am not clerking straight out, but will be applying after 2-3 years at my firm, and it seems a large number of alums snag clerkships that way, too.

3. We send a lot of folks to Texas. One of my closest friends is starting in Atlanta. I know people headed to the really insular, tough-to-get markets (Seattle, Portland, Denver), other secondaries (Minneapolis, Cleveland, Miami, San Diego, Boston). More secondary market firms interview at OCI than I would've expected. I worked at a V20 in a secondary market my first summer and really enjoyed it; though I absolutely love SF (am writing this from my apartment in the city), I recommend trying out a smaller market for at least part of your summer experience 1L or 2L year.

[Eichörnchen]

So, is it safe to assume those who applied earlier than December should expect a waitlist or deny?
Just wondering since they seem to have accepted so few this cycle...

End October applicant.

End of October applicant here too.. so, expecting a ding.

+1

[gingerbreadsmouse]

So, is it safe to assume those who applied earlier than December should expect a waitlist or deny?
Just wondering since they seem to have accepted so few this cycle...

End October applicant.

End of October applicant here too.. so, expecting a ding.

+1

Mid-Oct, and me too. Three.

[eleemosynary2]

Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!

Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!

Not a problem. This site was super helpful to me when applying!

1. I would say the number of people looking for jobs can be counted on one hand. They include people seeking high-end public interest work and maybe a person or two who was no-offered. My group of friends, about 40 or so, all have jobs. About half are clerking next year and half are starting at firms (with one or two doing PI).

2. OCI was actually kinda fun. Everyone I know that truly did OCI (10+ interviews) got a position through it, regardless of grades. A few people didn't get their top choice market (generally SF, if grades were really bad, like 0-1 Hs bad), and a couple of people got non-market paying. This was a big exception to the norm, though.

Personality really mattered at OCI. Most people had 3-6 Hs. At that point, you've shown you can do the work and distinguish yourself in certain classes, and that's all most firms really needed. There are 15 or so firms that it's only worth applying to if you're top 1/3 (probably more Hs than Ps), but I have friends at V5 firms who were well below median and no law review.

I tend to think things are getting better, if slowly.

I interviewed in D.C., with absolutely no ties, and it's a relatively tough market. That said, with okay (but not great grades), I managed 3 offers, including from some of the "tougher" firms to get. Lots of SLSers want D.C., probably even more than want SF, so it can be tough. But most people who really wanted to be in D.C. got to be, or back-doored a split with their NYC or LA-based firms to spend 4-5 weeks in the D.C. office.

Also, in terms of clerkships, my class absolutely killed it. More than 1/3 are clerking next year or the year after. If people applied widely, they tended to get a clerkship. The sheer breadth of clerkship placement, including for folks at median without SLR, is a very, very compelling reason to choose SLS. I am not clerking straight out, but will be applying after 2-3 years at my firm, and it seems a large number of alums snag clerkships that way, too.

3. We send a lot of folks to Texas. One of my closest friends is starting in Atlanta. I know people headed to the really insular, tough-to-get markets (Seattle, Portland, Denver), other secondaries (Minneapolis, Cleveland, Miami, San Diego, Boston). More secondary market firms interview at OCI than I would've expected. I worked at a V20 in a secondary market my first summer and really enjoyed it; though I absolutely love SF (am writing this from my apartment in the city), I recommend trying out a smaller market for at least part of your summer experience 1L or 2L year.

*Salivates at this entire post*

[spicyyoda17]

Congrats to everyone who's admitted, and good luck to everyone waiting

I'm barely ever on TLS anymore, but I'm now a 3L at SLS (jesus that's strange to write) and absolutely love love LOVE it here. If anyone has pressing questions or whatnot, I have a day off of class and work, and I'll check in every once in a while to answer them!

Kretzy - seen some of your SLS insights elsewhere - thank you in advance!

3 questions:
1) How has the class of 2013 fared in terms of securing FT gigs after graduation? We have 2011 stats available, but would love to know your take on the c/of '12 and '13 if possible.
2) As for your class, how did OCI go? Are things pretty steady, getting better, slight decline, what? I'm interested in a federal clerkship after I graduate and then business law/litigation in DC (obviously a tough market, I know). For these reasons, I am slightly leaning SLS as opposed to HLS as it seems like SLS has been very strong in both clerkship and DC placement.
3) What have you seen in regards to students trying to begin their careers in secondary markets?

Thanks again!

Not a problem. This site was super helpful to me when applying!

1. I would say the number of people looking for jobs can be counted on one hand. They include people seeking high-end public interest work and maybe a person or two who was no-offered. My group of friends, about 40 or so, all have jobs. About half are clerking next year and half are starting at firms (with one or two doing PI).

2. OCI was actually kinda fun. Everyone I know that truly did OCI (10+ interviews) got a position through it, regardless of grades. A few people didn't get their top choice market (generally SF, if grades were really bad, like 0-1 Hs bad), and a couple of people got non-market paying. This was a big exception to the norm, though.

Personality really mattered at OCI. Most people had 3-6 Hs. At that point, you've shown you can do the work and distinguish yourself in certain classes, and that's all most firms really needed. There are 15 or so firms that it's only worth applying to if you're top 1/3 (probably more Hs than Ps), but I have friends at V5 firms who were well below median and no law review.

I tend to think things are getting better, if slowly.

I interviewed in D.C., with absolutely no ties, and it's a relatively tough market. That said, with okay (but not great grades), I managed 3 offers, including from some of the "tougher" firms to get. Lots of SLSers want D.C., probably even more than want SF, so it can be tough. But most people who really wanted to be in D.C. got to be, or back-doored a split with their NYC or LA-based firms to spend 4-5 weeks in the D.C. office.

Also, in terms of clerkships, my class absolutely killed it. More than 1/3 are clerking next year or the year after. If people applied widely, they tended to get a clerkship. The sheer breadth of clerkship placement, including for folks at median without SLR, is a very, very compelling reason to choose SLS. I am not clerking straight out, but will be applying after 2-3 years at my firm, and it seems a large number of alums snag clerkships that way, too.

3. We send a lot of folks to Texas. One of my closest friends is starting in Atlanta. I know people headed to the really insular, tough-to-get markets (Seattle, Portland, Denver), other secondaries (Minneapolis, Cleveland, Miami, San Diego, Boston). More secondary market firms interview at OCI than I would've expected. I worked at a V20 in a secondary market my first summer and really enjoyed it; though I absolutely love SF (am writing this from my apartment in the city), I recommend trying out a smaller market for at least part of your summer experience 1L or 2L year.

*Salivates at this entire post*

Yes - this was a great and encouraging response - thanks Kretzy!

[zabava]

Early October, given up hope...
But congrats to everyone who's in, Stanford sounds amazing

[vzapana]

If the # of members on the google group is any indication, dean deal has given out only about 40 offers so far. There give out some 350 offers a year, according to the most recent aba statistics. so don't lose hope!

[ManOfTheMinute]

If the # of members on the google group is any indication, dean deal has given out only about 40 offers so far. There give out some 350 offers a year, according to the most recent aba statistics. so don't lose hope!

Perhaps it's also a function of how quickly whoever approves the memberships requests does their job... the FB group has 30 people, LSN has 33 people. Using regulus' spreadsheet, and even assuming LSN makes up 20% rather than the 15-18% as indicated over the past years, we're looking at between 150 and 165 admits thus far.

Caveat: this assumes that LSN user are no more likely to get early acceptances than non-LSN users, and this assumption is faulty at best. Given that LSN/TLS has roughly a 33% higher chance of acceptance due to self-selection, lets say there have been between 130-150 offers thus far.

Still, that leaves 200, or 57% of total, offers to be given... so still don't lose hope!

[wisteria]

I feel like Stanford has barely made any offers, yet according to the analysis almost half spots are gone!

[Rory19]

Is it too early to submit a LOCI? I have been under review since October.

[uconjak]

Hope is a good thing, until the decision comes and then your crushed. I believe that most schools are running about 15% behind their norms.

[bosmer88]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but if you are under review would the checker update multiple times throughout the process or just the first time when you go under review ?

[ManOfTheMinute]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but if you are under review would the checker update multiple times throughout the process or just the first time when you go under review ?

Just the first time

[20141023]

.

[bosmer88]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but if you are under review would the checker update multiple times throughout the process or just the first time when you go under review ?

Just the first time

Thanks MOTM. More waiting and wondering then.

[zabava]

Haha, thank you for all the support ya'll!

[jbagelboy]

Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships

[ManOfTheMinute]

Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships

Hahaha I doubt it - last year they went out on the first Monday of February. Also, the status checker will be DLS

[kittonmittons]

How does one get into the Google group? I assume there is information about it in the information packet they send? Apparently mine has been sitting at my parents' house for two weeks....here I thought maybe they'd just changed their mind about admitting me already.

[vzapana]

How does one get into the Google group? I assume there is information about it in the information packet they send? Apparently mine has been sitting at my parents' house for two weeks....here I thought maybe they'd just changed their mind about admitting me already.

Info is on the admitted students website... Which requires the pin from the packet. You can get the pin from the admissions office if you can't wait

[ManOfTheMinute]

How does one get into the Google group? I assume there is information about it in the information packet they send? Apparently mine has been sitting at my parents' house for two weeks....here I thought maybe they'd just changed their mind about admitting me already.

Info is on the admitted students website... Which requires the pin from the packet. You can get the pin from the admissions office if you can't wait

I clicked the "forgot password" button, and they sent me an email (to my 'primary' account) with a link to type in a new password. Success.

Sadly, you cannot get into the Google Group with the admissions packet though, as it has your ID number. Even with it though it might take a while to get approved...

[Audeamus]

Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships

Hahaha I doubt it - last year they went out on the first Monday of February. Also, the status checker will be DLS

rejections come by snail mail?

[ManOfTheMinute]

Anyone received their rejection in the mail yet? Since getting my NCE, it's the only exciting ls news I have to wait for until scholarships

Hahaha I doubt it - last year they went out on the first Monday of February. Also, the status checker will be DLS

rejections come by snail mail?

Indeed... Or at least that was the process last year